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Title: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Chris_ on December 01, 2008, 05:16:06 PM
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Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012

Paul Joseph Watson on 13 November, 2008 11:54:04

Prison Planet - The man who predicted the 1987 stock market crash and the fall of the Soviet Union is now forecasting revolution in America, food riots and tax rebellions - all within four years, while cautioning that putting food on the table will be a more pressing concern than buying Christmas gifts by 2012.

Gerald Celente, the CEO of Trends Research Institute, is renowned for his accuracy in predicting future world and economic events, which will send a chill down your spine considering what he told Fox News this week.

Celente says that by 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts.

“We’re going to see the end of the retail Christmas….we’re going to see a fundamental shift take place….putting food on the table is going to be more important that putting gifts under the Christmas tree,” said Celente, adding that the situation would be “worse than the great depression”.

“America’s going to go through a transition the likes of which no one is prepared for,” said Celente, noting that people’s refusal to acknowledge that America was even in a recession highlights how big a problem denial is in being ready for the true scale of the crisis.



LINK (http://nationalexpositor.com/News/1494.html)

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Just in case you were so full of Holiday Bliss that you didn't know what to do with yourself, maybe this will pop yer bubble...
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Tantal on December 01, 2008, 05:29:28 PM
I hope he's wrong, but fear he's right.....so I'm hoping for the best and preparing for the worst.

We're doing a fairly light Christmas around here from a financial standpoint. For every weekly trip to the grocery store I'm having Mrs. Tantal buy $50 worth of food for long-term storage (rice, beans, canned meats like tuna, chicken, and spam, oatmeal, pasta, vitamins, toothpaste, toilet paper). I'd like to have at least a year's worth of basic food supplies stored up by summer. We've got enough clothing and blankets that we should be okay if we lose electricity and the house becomes basically a rigid tent. I do need a generator though.

Aside from that, I have some like-minded partisans in the neighborhood who are doing the same. And we have enough guns and ammo to ward of any DUmmie horde who, like the grasshopper, failed to prepare for such an event. Unfortunately, if this does happen, Uncle Sugar won't be in a position to bail the DUmmies out.

Hate to sound like a kook, but I've read and seen movies about the Great Depression. I don't want to get caught with my pants down.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: rich_t on December 01, 2008, 05:31:51 PM
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I do need a generator though.

Where are you gonna get the gas to run it once the economy really crashes as predicted?
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Chris_ on December 01, 2008, 05:35:48 PM
Where are you gonna get the gas to run it once the economy really crashes as predicted?

Stocking up on solar panels and wind generators.  I live in a heavy ag area (mostly corn, beef and sugar beets), so it shouldn't be hard to trade tangible products - machine parts done on my mill/lathe - for biodiesel for the truck.  I forsee my economy getting very local in the next 2-4 years.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: rich_t on December 01, 2008, 05:38:01 PM
Stocking up on solar panels and wind generators.  I live in a heavy ag area (mostly corn, beef and sugar beets), so it shouldn't be hard to trade tangible products - machine parts done on my mill/lathe - for biodiesel for the truck.  I forsee my economy getting very local in the next 2-4 years.

I've heard that those wind generators are pretty expensive, but might be worth the cost in the long run.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Chris_ on December 01, 2008, 05:49:46 PM
I've heard that those wind generators are pretty expensive, but might be worth the cost in the long run.

Compared to solar cells (that are commercially available anyway) they can kick out more amps per dollar expended on 'em, but it requires a fairly steady wind to get maximum output from 'em.  That's why I mix - that and the generators stand a better chance of keeping a battery bank charged during the winter around here - not to mention at night.

My plan is for around 10 solar arrays (http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/NTESearch?storeId=6970&N=0&Ntk=All&Ntt=Solar%20Panel&Nty=1&D=Solar%20Panel&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Dx=mode+matchallpartial), and 2 wind generators (http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/NTESearch?storeId=6970&N=0&Ntk=All&Ntt=Wind%20generator&Nty=1&D=Wind%20generator&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Dx=mode+matchallpartial).
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: rich_t on December 01, 2008, 05:54:19 PM
Ok... those wind turbines aren't as expensive as I thought.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Tantal on December 01, 2008, 06:16:24 PM
Where are you gonna get the gas to run it once the economy really crashes as predicted?
Theft....or Robbery. :-)
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on December 01, 2008, 06:29:10 PM
Preparedness is good.  TEOTWAWKI thinking is more like psycho.

It depends on what modeling he did to come up with the prediction.  The real world is not striclty zero-sum on the macro scale and I wouldn't bet on the necessary assumptions to support that outcome staying in place long enough to bring it about. 
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Baruch Menachem on December 01, 2008, 06:38:37 PM
Depends on how you evaluate Obama and his minions.

Is he as bad as Allende, Chavez, or Hitler?  Probably not. 

But the reality for any dictator wanna be is that he needs problems to be the savior for.  He needs the economy in the tank.  And lots of his adhereants are really  :mental: scary.

The reality is that we need to work our way past a bubble, and it is a huge bubble it seems.  There is all that debt held overseas.   What happens when the Chicoms dump their dollars?

So short term, it is going to be tough.  I don't believe Obama has enough cushion to be really Carter level stupid.  He tries it on, the dollar will fall faster than the dow. 
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Chris on December 01, 2008, 06:41:10 PM
This guy is always on Coast to Coast AM... I think he uses some computer model he calls "Merlin".

His shows are always a Debbie Downer.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: mamacags on December 01, 2008, 06:45:52 PM
Prison Planet site scares me more than revolution, food riots, and tax rebellions.  It is almost as bad as the 9-11 forum at DU.

I am switching out our pellet stove for a large wood burning stove this spring.  Buying a pellet stove was one of the biggest wastes of money ever for us.  Everyone is always out of pellets, they cost too much, and it is just as much of a PITA to clean as a wood stove, actually harder to clean.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Chris on December 01, 2008, 07:52:57 PM
I am switching out our pellet stove for a large wood burning stove this spring.  Buying a pellet stove was one of the biggest wastes of money ever for us.  Everyone is always out of pellets, they cost too much, and it is just as much of a PITA to clean as a wood stove, actually harder to clean.

You should write reviews for Amazon.com.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: rich_t on December 01, 2008, 07:58:25 PM
Theft....or Robbery. :-)

 :cheersmate: :rotf: :cheersmate:
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Carl on December 01, 2008, 08:03:49 PM
I think this is overblown to be honest but for the sake of arguement if it is right then I have land,trees,guns and equipment here.
Not worried too much. :-)
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Hawkgirl on December 01, 2008, 08:54:02 PM
This thread is scary.  Is it really necessary to store a year's worth of food in your pantry/freezer in this day and age??

I mean, living in a hurricane state, I do stock up on supplies to get me through power outages after a hurricane...but that's about the extent of my "preparedness" goes. 

While this prediction isn't an imminent threat, 2012 is not that far off....

Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: mamacags on December 01, 2008, 09:07:32 PM
I don't think 3 months worth of canned goods and supplies is too much.  I mean some people could go off the deep end with it.  With 3 months worth stored you could even lose your job and not have to worry about eating until you find new work or get help.  The only problem is if you have to move to a different location, how do you transfer all of that stuff?

A couple of other things I think are must haves no matter what...

1. vegetable and fruit seeds
2. Water purifying tablets or another means of converting dirty water to drinking water
3. A really good sturdy knife
4. Emergency blankets
5. Several lighters
6. A crank powered radio
7. 500' of thin but strong rope
8. A good first aid kit
9. Several fishing hooks and fishing line
10. A rifle even if it is a .22 with plenty of ammo
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Hawkgirl on December 01, 2008, 09:12:24 PM
What is the 500' of rope for??
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Chris on December 01, 2008, 09:24:09 PM
What is the 500' of rope for??

You never know... (http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9628/ninja.gif)
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: mamacags on December 01, 2008, 09:25:06 PM
You can make anything if you have enough rope, wood, and ninja skillz.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: docstew on December 01, 2008, 09:29:01 PM
What is the 500' of rope for??

Military survival manuals state that the two most important items are #1 a good knife and #2 "cordage"
everything else you can make with readily available material
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Hawkgirl on December 01, 2008, 09:32:36 PM
Military survival manuals state that the two most important items are #1 a good knife and #2 "cordage"
everything else you can make with readily available material

Ok...I can use my imagination to come with several different reasons for rope...but let's not forget toilet paper...nothing but the good stuff for this deirier...
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Chris on December 01, 2008, 09:32:52 PM
Military survival manuals state that the two most important items are #1 a good knife and #2 "cordage"
everything else you can make with readily available material

silly me, I thought it was a requirement for taking mamacags out on a date.  :naughty:  :-)

(please don't kill me)
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Hawkgirl on December 01, 2008, 09:36:42 PM
silly me, I thought it was a requirement for taking mamacags out on a date.  :naughty:  :-)

(please don't kill me)

Now that's just wrong....

(http://i36.tinypic.com/66kqyr.jpg)

 :bolt:
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Chris on December 01, 2008, 09:39:59 PM
Now that's just wrong....

(http://i36.tinypic.com/66kqyr.jpg)

 :bolt:

Are you holdin' out on us?  Make with the pictures. :lmao:
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Duke Nukum on December 01, 2008, 09:45:30 PM
Okay, so a whole bunch this guy predicted came to pass but what about things he predicted that didn't come to pass?

I remember back in the 1980's seeing some book called something like "The Coming Crash of the 1990's" and the 1990's came and went without a crash as far as I know.  It seems to me someone is always predicting the end of the world and I suppose eventually one such prognosticator will eventually be correct I just don't see it happening anytime soon.  And when it does finally happen, I'm sure it will be a good thing.  I mean, it will be the time for it to happen and nobody will really miss it once it is gone.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Chris on December 01, 2008, 09:50:46 PM
Okay, so a whole bunch this guy predicted came to pass but what about things he predicted that didn't come to pass?

Good point.  If he's just feeding a bunch of data into a computer, what's his accuracy rate?
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Tantal on December 01, 2008, 09:56:51 PM
Is it really necessary to store a year's worth of food in your pantry/freezer in this day and age??




Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows? But I bought a 10 lb. bag of rice today for $6.37. That's enough to provide carbohydrates to the Tantal clan for about 25 meals. Beans? 10 lbs. for 9 bucks. Carbs, protien, and fiber. Spam? Stores for years and is mostly fat (9 cal. per gram) and some protien. Canned chicken and tuna? Mostly protien. You can actually stock up on the essentials relatively inexpensively. I figure I can get a year's worth of essential foods for about $1,500. If nothing happens, we just eat it, so I'm not really out any money. If something does happen, I'll be considered a genius.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Chris on December 01, 2008, 09:59:44 PM
You actually bought Spam? (http://www.zug.com/live/index.cgi?func=view_thread&thread_id=79573)  I never cared for it.  I'm not sure what I would buy if I was going to stock up on canned meat. (http://www.zug.com/live/index.cgi?func=view_thread&thread_id=79573)

Dinty Moore is the closest I get to canned meat.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Duke Nukum on December 01, 2008, 10:03:35 PM
Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows? But I bought a 10 lb. bag of rice today for $6.37. That's enough to provide carbohydrates to the Tantal clan for about 25 meals. Beans? 10 lbs. for 9 bucks. Carbs, protien, and fiber. Spam? Stores for years and is mostly fat (9 cal. per gram) and some protien. Canned chicken and tuna? Mostly protien. You can actually stock up on the essentials relatively inexpensively. I figure I can get a year's worth of essential foods for about $1,500. If nothing happens, we just eat it, so I'm not really out any money. If something does happen, I'll be considered a genius.
It worked for Peter Griffin:

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/maplebob/familyguy-daboom_1217384291.jpg)

All you need to know is where the Twinkie warehouse and you'll be able to rebuild civilization after the fall.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: JohnnyReb on December 02, 2008, 04:09:27 AM
Don't knock SPAM. Back in the early days, when SPAM was cheap and so were we, the X-wife would stick cloves in it, pour some pineapple glaze thing over it, sprinkle on a little brown sugar, stick it in the oven for a few minutes and hey! it wasn't bad.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: formerlurker on December 02, 2008, 05:36:40 AM
Damn, I left my Burberry umbrella in my husband's car......  now what will I use when the sky starts to fall?   


 :yawn:


Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: formerlurker on December 02, 2008, 05:46:51 AM
I did a quick google of Celente to look at recent 'predictions" made by him and came across this blog.   I have no idea who this guy is, but he outlines some predictions and makes commentary on them:

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* In May 1993, in a story about fiftysomethings losing their jobs written for the Orange County Register, Celente was quoted. He was advising IBM at the time during a period of downsizing. What was Celente’s golden advice? He informed displaced executives to “go for some kind of counseling.” Asked to comment on this situation, Celente offered the same doom and gloom boilerplate that he’s telling us today: “The Industrial Age is ending. All the systems are breaking down and that means disappointment and disillusionment for the people who grew up in the ’50’s.” He elaborated, “These people believed in the Ozzie and Harriet way of life. That concept is dead. So is the concept of retiring at 65.” These were hardly prescient or specific thoughts, but they were certainly dramatic enough to make it into an Orange County newspaper.

* Why not get topical? Let’s take Celente on a more specialized subject like restaurants. In 1993, Celente predicted “growing demands for take-out food, high- and low-end restaurants, and restaurants that offer live entertainment. Middle-range restaurants with mainstream fare will suffer.” Aside from the fact that Celente’s prediction accounts for about 90% of restaurants, doesn’t the fact that human beings need to eat remain a comfy ledge to launch a prediction?
In 1998, Celente told Money Magazine that, as the population grows older, “Americans will be spending more time at home than ever before both for pleasure and business.” Imagine that. You grow old, retire, and then you suddenly have more time. How the hell did Celente know?

* In the September 21, 2000 edition of Newsweek, the great futurist weighed in on mindless chores. Why are they called mindless? “Your mind can’t be going all the time.” And when any problem becomes bigger, it becomes bigger than burnout. “It’s road rage, it’s air rage, it’s Columbine, it’s stress — and people don’t get it.” I’m wondering if it’s also the kind of impulse that will cause you to make impetuous predictions about the United States’s future.

* Asked by CBS News in May 2005 to comment upon where Dillard’s planned to go, Celente had this to say: “There is nothing Dillard’s has that you can’t find in 1,000 other places. America is vastly overstored.” Take out “Dillard’s” and sub it in with another department store chain name, and you begin to see what little Celente’s remarks say. But if we’re in for a future of doom and gloom, Celente has been sending us some mixed messages. He told the Associated Press in May 2005, “The bottom of the luxury market is not going to fall out.”

* Talking with the Associated Press in September 2005, Celente suggested that Wal-Mart could deflect its negative image with its philanthropy. That’s hardly a stunning insight. Any positive action has the probability of causing a company to look good. This is rudimentary probability. But what profound thoughts did our great seer tell the AP? “We try to refrain from making value judgments — what the motive is. But the fact is that [Wal-Mart was] there with trailer trucks being turned away. Amazing, isn’t it?” Amazing indeed. Presumably, the AP reporter who talked with Celente did so because the reporter needed somebody to describe the situation as “amazing” or “magnificent.” Some casual modifier that might be confused for profound thought.

* Celente was asked to weigh in on Internet trends by the San Francisco Chronicle’s Patricia Yollin in December 2006. “People are more electronically connected and less humanly connected,” opined our great psychic. And if that general piece of advice wasn’t enough, Celente also took the time to badmouth public displays of affection, pointing out how unacceptable it was to put PDA in “techno jargon.” Perhaps Celente confused PDA with another type of PDA, but what he didn’t seem to tell the reporter was that acronyms have existed long before the Internet.


http://www.edrants.com/gerald-celente-futurist-fraud/


 
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: mamacags on December 02, 2008, 06:50:53 AM
silly me, I thought it was a requirement for taking mamacags out on a date.  :naughty:  :-)

(please don't kill me)

No, that would be an almond snickers bar and some duct tape.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: asdf2231 on December 02, 2008, 07:24:11 AM
silly me, I thought it was a requirement for taking mamacags out on a date.  :naughty:  :-)

(please don't kill me)

No, that would be an almond snickers bar and some duct tape.

Sigh.

Why are all the good ones already married?  :(
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: asdf2231 on December 02, 2008, 07:27:38 AM
Now that's just wrong....

(http://i36.tinypic.com/66kqyr.jpg)

 :bolt:

That's just WRONG!


That looks like NYLON rope fer cripesake.

Everyone knows that you use shaved and singed hemp rope for things like that.

Unless that's silk in which case it's sorta classy but overpriced.

Also they forgot the D-ring attachment.

Amateurs.  :whatever:
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: asdf2231 on December 02, 2008, 07:39:40 AM
On topic again, keeping a couple of months worth of non perishable emergency supplies on hand is a good idea even in the best of times. I have worked in places that were without power and running water for weeks and people there were still expected to drive to their jobs and work.

The best stuff is nitrogen packed freeze dried food.  They come in big #10 cans and they have a realistic shelf life of 50 years or more.  Packing grain, beans and rice in one or two pound air sealed bags and then storing them in 5 gallon sealed buckets from Lowes or Home Depot is a fairly cheap but very efficient way to go as well. Those will pretty much keep indefinitely. (And they stack well in out of the way corners.)

Buying a single burner propane camp stove and an attachment that lets you run it off of the 20 pound propane tanks you use for the grill is a cheap way to ensure you can cook and sterilize water. I have a 2 burner coleman stove and 5 of those tanks on hand plus the one on the grill.

BELIEVE me, when you are hungry and there isn't anything else, MRES and freeze dried eggs are pretty nice to have laying around.

A BIG stock pot is an essential as well. A 20+ quart stock pot can be used to boil a days worth of water in a very short amount of time.

Don't forget a few bottles of multi vitamins.



Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: NHSparky on December 02, 2008, 08:03:33 AM
Two cases of MRE's, I have my own well and septic, generator, and enough dry goods to last me nearly six months.  And while I don't have a rifle, I've still got the shotgun and .45 for now.  All I need is a few bottles of propane (I currently have four) and it's all good.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Hawkgirl on December 02, 2008, 10:33:17 AM
Storing propane? I'll pass.
I have and will only use an old skool grill that lights up with charcoal and a match.  Not only do I enjoy my bar b q flavor better with a charcoal grill....but I also don't have to buy those heavy propane tanks that probably are not cheap (although I don't really know since I never bought one)

My dad loves his propane grill....but I like the REAL fire.


OH, and ASDF...you're a FREAK!
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Chris_ on December 02, 2008, 11:24:38 AM
Personally, he could have a 1% accuracy rate (99 predictions flat-out wrong for every 1 he guessed right) and it still doesn't change how seriously I view the next four years ahead of us.  Call it a blind squirrell finding the occasional nut, but I think in this case you'd damned near have to be that blind squirrell to see how bad Dear Leader and his merry band of idiots are going to be.

Put it this way:  the fed gub'mint generates and monitors the numbers that "tell us" whether the economy is growing or is in recession.  Yesterday's announcement from that numbnuts Hank Paulson that we are in a recession (well, duh, Hank!  :thatsright: ) and that the economy has BEEN IN A RECESSION (2 consecutive quarters of negative growth before it's official) SINCE DECEMBER OF 07  (how many of us poor dumb bastards have you poo-pooed and pilloried as "naysayers" and "talking down the economy" over the past year because we dared to state the very same - obvious - thing?!?).  It is proof positive that our "caring, concerned" gub'mint is not above outright lying to the American people, calling into question what our own guts tell is is really going on in order to get us to follow through on a course of action that our guts tell us will lead us to disaster ("just keep spending").  

And this is under the Bush administration; a man who, while I could spend hours going off on the various and numerous political faults he possesses in abundance, inherent, instinctual dishonesty is not on that list, to my knowledge.  Now take that known gub'mint MO, and insert a known dishonest, megalomaniac Dear Leader in place of honest President Bush (and then insert key players in the orchestration of the current fiscal crisis we find ourselves mired in, into the key treasury and "economic council" slots that president Bush currently has filled with merely incompetent personnel).

It is reasons such as this that those 20,000 US Soldiers (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/30/AR2008113002217_pf.html) to "bolster Domestic Security", I think.  I think that the Washington elites are finding that the rest of us down here in flyover country aren't quite the sheeple that they had presumed we were.  If we aren't sheeple, then they question whether they can blithely lead us down whatever primrose path they want us to trod, and then the question of, "if they won't follow, how do we get them there anyway" arises in their cynical little minds.  They being big gub'mint types, and therefore accustomed to using force of arms in the implementation of their "benevolent policies", it's a small leap for them to apply force of arms more broadly, to other social policies that flyover Americans are less inclined to go on their own.  Hence 20,000 troops, and their political leadership treading dangerously close to Posse Comitatus violations and providing an excellent example of why the Founding Fathers were so opposed to the Federal Government having a standing army at their beck and call.

I do not necessarily think that every individual point of his "prediction" will come to pass, but using it as a worst case, and using the remaining good days/weeks/months we have left before the Messiah's enlightened ministry triggers the trapdoor under this recession to drop into something much, much worse; to make the logistical and interpersonal preparations necessary to stand united against these elites; by preparing for this "worst case", we're much better prepared for the lesser, more probable cases we're likely to encounter in reality.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: asdf2231 on December 02, 2008, 12:17:15 PM

OH, and ASDF...you're a FREAK!

What... I'm a freak for believing in preparedness?   

Lot's of people store emergency supplies.

:uhsure:
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Hawkgirl on December 02, 2008, 03:49:39 PM
What... I'm a freak for believing in preparedness?   

Lot's of people store emergency supplies.

:uhsure:

The post above that one, ya know, the one critiquing the ropes..... :tongue:
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: JohnnyReb on December 02, 2008, 04:49:50 PM

(http://i36.tinypic.com/66kqyr.jpg)

 :bolt:

All we got to tie up in Scouts were trees and sticks and stuff. Now, I could of really got into some serious knot tying if this had been the case.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: asdf2231 on December 02, 2008, 08:24:56 PM
The post above that one, ya know, the one critiquing the ropes..... :tongue:

 :innocent:
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: NHSparky on December 02, 2008, 08:39:33 PM
Don't knock SPAM. Back in the early days, when SPAM was cheap and so were we, the X-wife would stick cloves in it, pour some pineapple glaze thing over it, sprinkle on a little brown sugar, stick it in the oven for a few minutes and hey! it wasn't bad.

Grilled SPAM and eggs over fried rice--Hawaiian breakfast of champions.

Oh, and back O/T...this guy looks like he's pushing to replace Jeanne Dixon--and has about the same accuracy of prediction record as well.  Shit, even broken clocks are right at least twice a day.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: NHSparky on December 02, 2008, 08:44:49 PM
Storing propane? I'll pass.
I have and will only use an old skool grill that lights up with charcoal and a match.  Not only do I enjoy my bar b q flavor better with a charcoal grill....but I also don't have to buy those heavy propane tanks that probably are not cheap (although I don't really know since I never bought one)

My dad loves his propane grill....but I like the REAL fire.


OH, and ASDF...you're a FREAK!

They're not that expensive--I get them for $40 apiece.  Refills used to be about $20, but has fallen of late. 
I agree that inside or even in the garage ain't the best place to store them.  I put them out in the shed with the rest of the power tools and spare gasoline.  Try grilling or cooking when you just ran out of your last bag of charcoal and there isn't any more.

BTW--I do use a significant amount of propane, especially in summer--my mosquito magnet runs off propane and I grill just about every night from April through October.  Also, were I so inclined (and rich enough) I suppose I could put a 15 KW generator which runs off propane and hardwire it directly to the house, but meh.

And finally, hawkgirl--what's so freak about a little kinky hanky-panky between consenting adults?
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Hawkgirl on December 03, 2008, 12:40:55 AM


And finally, hawkgirl--what's so freak about a little kinky hanky-panky between consenting adults?

Nothing at all, if you recall, I'm the one who posted an example of the japanese bondage technique....I'm no angel....I was just ribbing ASDF...and I'm sure he took it that way, although tone is sometimes lost in text communication... ;)
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: JohnnyReb on December 03, 2008, 06:45:20 AM
Grilled SPAM and eggs over fried rice--Hawaiian breakfast of champions.

Oh, and back O/T...this guy looks like he's pushing to replace Jeanne Dixon--and has about the same accuracy of prediction record as well.  Shit, even broken clocks are right at least twice a day.

She was all the rage to some of my college friends back in the mid-60's.... :rotf: ....and Nostradamus(sp?)....idiots. Yeah, they were all democrats.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: asdf2231 on December 03, 2008, 07:34:55 AM
Nothing at all, if you recall, I'm the one who posted an example of the japanese bondage technique....I'm no angel....I was just ribbing ASDF...and I'm sure he took it that way, although tone is sometimes lost in text communication... ;)

Actually I cried for about an hour and then ate half a tub of cookie dough and then posted on about 75 different internet boards about how mean you are.

Then I beat my family in misdirected frustration.

I certainly hope you are happy with yourself.























:-)
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Thor on December 03, 2008, 10:50:13 AM
I was considering obtaining a couple of 100 lb propane cylinders. They're not as easy to cart around and will take some mods to hook up to a grill, but they'd sure last a lot longer.

Hawkgirl, ever try boiling water or frying eggs over a charcoal grill?? My grill has a side burner that's just perfect for stovetop type cooking. THAT'S why the propane, it's not for "flavour". The new propane grills kind of suck. I really liked the ones with the ceramic inserts or lava rocks. I could get some decent flavour out of those types.
Title: Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
Post by: Hawkgirl on December 03, 2008, 11:46:46 AM
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Hawkgirl, ever try boiling water or frying eggs over a charcoal grill?? My grill has a side burner that's just perfect for stovetop type cooking. THAT'S why the propane, it's not for "flavour". The new propane grills kind of suck. I really liked the ones with the ceramic inserts or lava rocks. I could get some decent flavour out of those types.

I never tried to cook eggs on my grill..but I don't see why I couldn't...I'd just use a heavy cast iron pan.
And I could probably use that method to make stews from inexpensive cuts of meat (hey, we're in a depression....every penny counts!) When we were younger, after we ate and the fire burned out, we'd throw in artichokes at the bottom of the grill, close the hood, and in an hour we had amazing smoked artichokes.  I could live on stuff like, easily.

I'd imagine in a recession, gas/propane would either be hard to come by and extremey expensive....so why not use fire for your cooking method...ya know, like the old days.... :-)