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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on November 25, 2008, 08:38:49 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.org/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4528180
Hmmm.
There's been a lot of fat bonfires on Skins's island lately.
Must be some expression of a collective mass subconscious.
honkydonkey (198 posts) Mon Nov-24-08 03:59 PM
Original message
Here's a fat person asking you not to leave!
I'll probably get flamed by trolls for admitting that I'm overweight but nothing they say is going to make me go cry in my pillow. I'm over it. I've had health issues since I was seven years old. I developed ulcerative colitis and it became chronic. By the time I was in sixth grade I was missing my entire colon and dealing with an ostomy.
Over the years my body has taken a beating. The medicines (sulphur pills, steroids, etc) I took all through my life ended up destroying my pancreas and liver. In my early adult hood I started retaining extreme amounts of water. And since I'm minus lots of my digestive system, I don't have energy coming out of my ears.
So, no matter what I seem to do, I continue to gain weight. I was in the hospital last year for over a month. During that time I did not take in any food AT ALL. I lost four pounds. My metabolism is never going to change, the doctors don't have any answers for me because I have so many different problems.
It is not my fault that I am fat. I am not happy that I am but I am happy that I am alive and that I've been able to have two beautiful children (who were both complete miracles). I'm sorry to all the "perfect" people out there who are pissed because sick people like me make their lives less pleasant. Heaven forbid you have to look at a fat person on the beach trying to enjoy a day with their family or a disabled person walking to slow for them when they are in a rush.
My suggestion to these "perfect" people is to read some history on nazi Germany. Would you like to line all us fat, disabled people up and shoot us in a firing line to save your perfect ass from paying more for your health insurance or so your view can be more "beautiful" whatever that means to you.
What's ironic is that these people get good healthy bodies with such piss poor unhealthy attitudes to drive them. What a waste..
Hmmm. That's quite an impressive litany of woes there.
Disappointingly, the subway cat doesn't prowl over to this particular bonfire.
At least not yet.
grannie4peace (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-24-08 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. you mean you can't work this thing?
there are millions of people with fat problems in america.. we're all ****ed up from our make it & break it culture. you got to get smarter than the culture. i am overweight & it's because i indulge myself for putting up with other shit i don't know how to get out of. when they told me i needed more meds. i said f that.
i know how to take care of myself. i just don't always do it. i don't know how fat you are but that can be overcome if you want to do it. i'm still fat so i haven't done it yet but i know i can if i want to.good luck in whatever you do
Hmmm. The grannie primitive must be a Nagelian.
question everything (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-25-08 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #9
45. Did you even bother to read the complete post?
The OP has many medical problems and much of a digestive system. He was hospitalized for a month did not eat and lost 4 pounds.
How can you be so insensitive?
rox63 (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-24-08 04:11 PM
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2. I'm a fat person, and I don't give a flying fart about what anyone else thinks about it
I'm not going to leave because someone else is being an a-hole about my weight on an internet forum. If they actually think it's a worthwhile use of their time, they seriously need to find a hobby.
honkydonkey (198 posts) Mon Nov-24-08 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Kinda makes you wonder what our society would be like if we were all born without eyes. lol.
Who knows where we could be as a people but then I guess there would be the assholes who would only elect people who smell like peaches?
greguganus (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-25-08 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #13
49. I was thinking the same thing. Wonder how many people would of not voted Obama if he was fat?
Good question, but the answer's probably "none."
kiva (386 posts) Mon Nov-24-08 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #3
31. I'd like to believe that's true.
But the truth is that our PR is a youthful, fit man with a great deal of charisma--an ideal candidate.
For months here there were criticisms about the "old man" McCain, Hillary's appearance and clothing, etc. If Barack Obama was 100 pounds overweight or 15 years older, I believe he'd have had a much harder time winning the nomination and presidency--not because he would be any less intelligent or capable, but because our culture has taught us that youth, beauty, and thinness are valued attributes in a leader.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-24-08 04:14 PM
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4. What is it with "fat"?
When did this place become a therapy session for people (1) who are fat, (2) who think other people shouldn't be fat, and (3) people who know how to make fat people skinny?
I mean, if you have physical and emotional problems regarding your size, there are resources for that in your community, I am sure. Places where you can get help. Doctors, psychologists, social workers, dieticians, nutrtitionists, geez, I don't know, the list goes on and on, I bet.
But what is this thing that seems to have begun recently, this lamenting about one's weight and lambasting people who view obese people as somehow faulty?
The irony, of course, is that Thankgiving, the holiday on which we're all encouraged to exercise our obsessions with food in every possible way, is coming up. Could it be anxiety about the upcoming eating binge that's provoking these outbursts?
I read one, and I want ice cream. How perverse is that?
Probably.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-24-08 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #12
18. Issues are one thing; but the personal revelations, out of nowhere, about one's entire life, intimate details about one's health and food consumption and trials, well, you might find it liberating or just a great relief to be able to get it off your chest, but, personally, I just don't get it.
There's a difference between discussing issues and someone posting something that might belong in a private journal or in a group therapy session, with real people, who can perhaps offer you some real help.
Hmmm. One suspects the Bambi tambourine primitive's got the subway cat in mind.
honkydonkey (198 posts) Mon Nov-24-08 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. That's just peachy!
Nobody held a gun to your head and made you read it, now did they? There are many other subjects on this board for you to comment on that you "get". Nothing is keeping you from going and spreading your knowledge on those. I didn't come on here looking for help, I came to offer another side of being "fat". Those who respond with helpful advice are just nice people and I appreciate it. Anyway, I hope you can find some other posts that you believe deserve a place on this board. Take care.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-24-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. Touchy, huh?
So you demand tolerance from people, but you don't care to give it if the other person doesn't see things as you do?
Peachy?
Interesting you'd use a phrase calling up food.
pnwmom (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-24-08 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #10
36. People on this board sometimes make discriminatory, hurtful statements.
Against people of other races, religions, genders, sexual orientations, ages, and sizes, etc.
It isn't only people in "real life" who do this -- it's also people right here. So this is the right place to address that.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-24-08 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. Sure, of course.......
But starting a thread with all sorts of personal and intimate confessions isn't exactly addressing the issue.
It just smacks of group therapy, and I find it odd and embarrassing.
I'm all for issues. I'm not so big on public confessionals and personal revelations by people who would do far better doing such things in a therapeutic situation.
Now I'm dead sure the subway cat's in the Bambi tambourine primitive's mind.
pnwmom (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-24-08 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Women often start conversations on issues by using personal examples.
It doesn't offend me.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-24-08 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. As a woman, and as a professional, I have grown accustomed to keeping my personal life out of substantive discussions.
Wow. The Bambi tambourine primitive's getting very close to being promoted to "non-primitive," the highest tier of primitivity on Skins's island.
pnwmom (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-24-08 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. But this isn't an office space. It's whatever kind of space people want to make it.
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-24-08 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. An office?
Who said anything about an office?
That's a big leap. I am just curious as to why, on a message board, where you're surrounded by strangers, people feel the need to divulge their, apparently, deep hurts and traumas.
I absolutely, though, disagree with you that this is "... whatever kind of space people want to make it." I'm sure you've seen people who were tombstoned and know that there are topics that are forbidden. So, no, it's not whatever people want to make it.
I wonder, too, with all the troubles people have in this world, why people with weight problems seem suddenly in the last few days to have made such big splashes here. Might it be a seasonal thing, with some sort of deep-seated anxiety about the impending holiday, which is focused almost entirely on food, agitating these people? I could understand that.
Still, watching these posts, really, is a kind of fascinating exercise.
Okay, that's it.
The Bambi tambourine primitive's been promoted to "non-primitive," joining the exclusive company of those such as the libeloushistorian, the buzzy one, the operating one, the magisterial one, my fellow alum Skins, &c., &c., &c.
"Non-primitives," the highest rank on Skins's island, are inhabitants of Skins's island who really don't belong there, but ended up there by chance or accident.
Also, the Bambi tambourine got brownie points for looking at the primitives on Skins's island the same way franksolich does; a fascinating, compelling study of the interaction of primitives.
And then an old favorite, the squawking primitive:
Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-25-08 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #8
46. I have physical problems that led to weight gain.
I'm doing my best to reverse what happened, but when you're dealing with several chronic illnesses, it ain't easy.
A big FU to those who think their shit don't stink because they're skinny and / or know how I could get skinny if I'd just listen to them.
awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-24-08 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #4
37. It isn't a therapy session...you may have missed it, but over the weekend a story about airline seats and a ruling by Canadian courts was posted on DU. What followed was a shameful showing by some DUers. The things said in that post seemed to show that hatred of overweight people was still an acceptable bias. This is necessary backlash against that post. It needs to be brought out, so the haters can show themselves for what they are, and can be dealt with accordingly.
Hmmm. I missed that bonfire. Anybody here see it? Anybody remember if there were any Primitives of Prominence at it?
AnnieBW (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-24-08 08:10 PM
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35. I'm fat, and sick of the hate
I was a fat kid, a fat teenager, and a fat adult. Do people actually think that it's my CHOICE to be fat? To be socially ostracized, not go to my prom, always be the last person chosen for sports or a date, etc? Do you think that I like to have to apologize when I'm on an airplane? While I do eat crap food from time to time, I eat it in moderation. I have good cholesterol, and am only on blood pressure meds because 1) I'm on an antidepressant that raised BP and 2) my BP was fine until they adjusted the scale downward.
I ****ed up my metabolism in college by going on a high-protein, low carb diet that was later shut down by the FDA. I look at food and gain weight. While I'm not as active as I should be, I'm not sitting on the couch sucking down chips, pizza, and ice cream every night. If you are perfect, then good for you. I have friends that are my age, thin, and in a lot worse shape than I am physically. (One of whom is a die-hard Repub who is out of work, on unemployment and COBRA, and still voted Republican...)
To quote Yoda - "judge me by my size, will you?"
Nice little stretchy up there, in the bold area.
Finally, a prospective mate for the subway cat shows up:
4_TN_TITANS (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-25-08 08:59 AM
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48. 300 lb. 6' male willing to dicuss issues in person with anyone who has a problem with my weight.
And, you can keep your cheerleaders and Vogue models. Fat chicks make my mouth water.
The Ad Bot primitive's acting weird again; usually, this would provoke the Ad Bot primitive into advertising some weight-loss gimmick, but in this case, the Ad Bot primitive's promoting Wisconsin.
For some reason, the Ad Bot primitive's been promoting Wisconsin a great deal lately.
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Good Lord are there any there that don`t claim to have all kinds of illness,hard luck and now it seems obesity? :whatever: