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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Attero Dominatus on November 23, 2008, 04:20:44 PM
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-23-08 03:08 PM
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Poll question: Who really killed JFK?
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 03:08 PM by Taverner
Poll result (99 votes)
Oswald acting alone (17 votes, 17%) Vote
The Mafia (4 votes, 4%) Vote
The CIA (56 votes, 57%) Vote
The CANF (the Cuban-American Dictatorship in waiting) (2 votes, 2%) Vote
The Soviets/KGB (2 votes, 2%) Vote
Castro's Cuba (1 votes, 1%) Vote
A collaboration of (explain) (11 votes, 11%) Vote
Other (6 votes, 6%) Vote
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-23-08 03:09 PM
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1. I'm really tired of talking about it.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-23-08 03:35 PM
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16. Remember what Joe Biden said
'Past is Prologue'. How about 'learn from history, or repeat it'?
Should we also be bored with talking about the Iraq occupation? Sure there's a difference, but....I don't think we should be forgetting about the Kennedy assassination. I sincerely doubt anybody my age could forget it if they wanted do. I still remember where I was when I heard about it. I remember the whole thing. And I still have a nagging feeling about it.
I recently read 'Oswald's Tale' by Norman Mailer. And I'm currently reading "Ultimate Sacrifice" by Lamar Waldron and Thom Hartmann. You know what? Even if you're tired of hearing about the Kennedy assassination (as I'm sure a lot of you will tell me), the cast of characters in that particular drama is fascinating. George DeMohrenschildt alone is worth the price of admission.
"History is Bunk" said Henry Ford. But ol' Henry was kind of an asshole, I hear....
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SurferBoy (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-23-08 03:12 PM
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5. The CIA + LBJ conspired together.
n/t
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Riiiiiight, and Bush is an alien disguised as a human :whatever:
EOO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-23-08 03:42 PM
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23. I dont know if he was the man who pulled the trigger but he was certainly involved in planning it.
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 03:46 PM by EOO
Think about this - the right-wing had as much to gain from JFK's assassination as LBJ did. Kennedy stood for everything that goes against the BFEE agenda. I mean look at the history of the BFEE - Prescott Bush was involved in a planned coup against FDR and wanted to install a fascist dictatorship in America.
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BecauseBushSaysSo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-23-08 03:28 PM
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14. Me too
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 03:39 PM by BecauseBushSaysSo
And I'll even go as far as the Reagan attemp too. PNAC you know the usual suspects. If not our own government then why do the secret service stand down?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8
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greyhound1966 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-23-08 03:19 PM
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11. Thanks to our militarized government, obsessed with secrecy, we don't know for sure.
Oswald almost certainly fired the shot, but beyond that, it remains a mystery.
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-23-08 03:38 PM
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21. Oswald probably fired a shot. He almost certainly did NOT fire the fatal shot
Would have been impossible as the bullet came from exactly the opposite direction.
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-23-08 03:34 PM
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15. CIA/Bush Crime Family
Which were basically one and the same at that point.
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galaxy21 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-23-08 04:00 PM
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27. It was Oswald
Just looking at the evidence, it makes perfect sense.
People just like the conspiracy theories, because they don't like the idea that some lone nut can do that much damage.
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-23-08 03:34 PM
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15. CIA/Bush Crime Family
Which were basically one and the same at that point.
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BDS knows no bounds nor boundaries.
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Since there are so many gun folks and military folks here, have any of you had any dealings with the Carcano rifle? If so, what's your opinion of it? All I know about it is what I've read and most of that has been from kooky type sources.
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BDS knows no bounds nor boundaries.
The hilarious thing is that the Bush family of our generation is a family of boring bureaucrats.
No offense intended,I think both Presidents Bush did a fine job and history will someday agree but they are not the stealthy cigarette smoking man of X files lore.
The first President Bush was known as Mr Resume as he has spent a lifetime of service in the machinery of government,not as a mover and shaker or policy director.
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Now as far as the issue goes...
President Kennedy would not be welcomed in the dem party of today,I have no reason to believe there was anyone other then Oswald acting alone but if that wasn`t the case what does it matter today other then to fuel the obsession of some.
There will be no other answer as most alive and of age to participate would have died by now.
It is a bit pointless to keep the thing going as so many do.
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Now as far as the issue goes...
President Kennedy would not be welcomed in the dem party of today,I have no reason to believe there was anyone other then Oswald acting alone but if that wasn`t the case what does it matter today other then to fuel the obsession of some.
There will be no other answer as most alive and of age to participate would have died by now.
It is a bit pointless to keep the thing going as so many do.
"Ask not what your country can do for you"... SAY WHAT???? Get this damn DINO out of here! Radical Fundie Rightwinger!
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Now as far as the issue goes...
President Kennedy would not be welcomed in the dem party of today,I have no reason to believe there was anyone other then Oswald acting alone but if that wasn`t the case what does it matter today other then to fuel the obsession of some.
There will be no other answer as most alive and of age to participate would have died by now.
It is a bit pointless to keep the thing going as so many do.
Generally, the "big" commemoration of an event peaks at circa the 20th or 25th year--for example, D-Day celebrations in 1964. There were other commemorations after that, including 1984 and 1994, but they were lesser. Of course, Dwight Eisenhower, Bernard Montgomery, and a whole slew of other famous personalities were still around then, and participated.
I've noticed the Kennedy assassination carried on a little longer, after which it began winding down, probably having something to do with the decline and death of Jacqueline Kennedy about the same time. That yesterday was the 45th anniversary of the assassination was buried in the back pages of the Omaha World-Herald, for example.
Incidentally, some might remember that famous news photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald being shot by Jack Ruby, with that one law-enforcement guy wearing a cowboy hat leaning back in startlement. That guy's still alive (he's 88 years old now), and there was a story about him in the newspapers.....in the back pages.
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"Ask not what your country can do for you"... SAY WHAT???? Get this damn DINO out of here! Radical Fundie Rightwinger!
Or how about "bear any burden, pay any price," so that "others may enjoy the blessings and fruits of liberty....."
Damned militarist right-winger!
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"Ask not what your country can do for you"... SAY WHAT???? Get this damn DINO out of here! Radical Fundie Rightwinger!
Plus he cut taxes and stood up to the Marxist bear.
He may have been a better candidate against O then McCain was.
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I say the Mob had Kennedy Whacked for Killing Marilyn Monroe. JFK wasn't the only one tapping MM. Don't Recall they guys name but there was a bigtime Mafioso boss also getting some.
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As most here know, John Kennedy and Barry Goldwater were good--and sincerely so--friends while both were in the U.S. Senate, and for some years thereafter.
Really close friends.
The problem was, the conservative Republican U.S. Senator from Arizona found the liberal Democrat U.S. Senator from Massachusetts to be an intellectual lightweight.
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As most here know, John Kennedy and Barry Goldwater were good--and sincerely so--friends while both were in the U.S. Senate, and for some years thereafter.
Really close friends.
The problem was, the conservative Republican U.S. Senator from Arizona found the liberal Democrat U.S. Senator from Massachusetts to be an intellectual lightweight.
many folks Considered Bobby the brains & Know how of the RFK administration.
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As most here know, John Kennedy and Barry Goldwater were good--and sincerely so--friends while both were in the U.S. Senate, and for some years thereafter.
Really close friends.
The problem was, the conservative Republican U.S. Senator from Arizona found the liberal Democrat U.S. Senator from Massachusetts to be an intellectual lightweight.
It is before my time as it happened but I heard Goldwater commenting on politicians of his day once and he really did have a fondness for JFK but despised LBJ.
The 64 election may have had something to do with that but as best as I can quote from memory his statement regarding Johnson....."he came to Washington without a dime in his pocket and left a multi millionaire on a Senators and Presidents salary" the gyst being that he may not have come by his fortune ethically.
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Am I the only CC person watching the NYG-Arizona game ?
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Am I the only CC person watching the NYG-Arizona game ?
Probably :-)
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Am I the only CC person watching the NYG-Arizona game ?
The only game jhere is WAS-SEA
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Probably :-)
That's sad
It's a good game. :-)
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That's sad
It's a good game. :-)
I watched a few seconds of some football game. That's about all I can take.
I did notice there is a soccer game on ABC. wtf?
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Am I the only CC person watching the NYG-Arizona game ?
I have it on here too but think it soon will be a blow out.
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I say the Mob had Kennedy Whacked for Killing Marilyn Monroe. JFK wasn't the only one tapping MM. Don't Recall they guys name but there was a bigtime Mafioso boss also getting some.
Who wasn't tapping MM? :-) Frank Sinatra,Bobby Kennedy,Joe D, Peter Lawford,Possibly Sam Giancana?
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Who wasn't tapping MM? :-) Frank Sinatra,Bobby Kennedy,Joe D, Peter Lawford,Possibly Sam Giancana?
...and they caught the ???? from her.
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Since there are so many gun folks and military folks here, have any of you had any dealings with the Carcano rifle? If so, what's your opinion of it? All I know about it is what I've read and most of that has been from kooky type sources.
It's a piece of shit, but functional if maintained. It comes in second to about every other 20th-Century bolt action rifle ever made. The scope and mount on Oswald's gun were added commercial items, not original equipment. Also difficult to even find ammo for one, the two main Italian WW2 rifle cartridges were unique to Italy, nobody else used them. An often poorly-made Italian interpretation of the Austro-Hungarian Mannlicher design, the two virtues it would have had from Oswald's point of view were that the carbine version was shorter than about any other stock military surplus rifle and it was dirt cheap (though the ammo, not so much).
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It's a piece of shit, but functional if maintained. It comes in second to about every other 20th-Century bolt action rifle ever made. The scope and mount on Oswald's gun were added commercial items, not original equipment. Also difficult to even find ammo for one, the two main Italian WW2 rifle cartridges were unique to Italy, nobody else used them. An often poorly-made Italian interpretation of the Austro-Hungarian Mannlicher design, the two virtues it would have had from Oswald's point of view were that the carbine version was shorter than about any other stock military surplus rifle and it was dirt cheap (though the ammo, not so much).
Was it a 6.5 ? If so, I may have had one back in the 60's. Lots of penetration with the steel jacket, parabellum military ammo.
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Was it a 6.5 ? If so, I may have had one back in the 60's. Lots of penetration with the steel jacket, parabellum military ammo.
Believe so, I don't think the 7.35 rifles were regarded as a success, and I think all the carbines (including Oswald's) were 6.5s. It had kind of modest muzzle velocity for a battle rifle, but if you hit the target in the head that becomes a moot point.
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I still think it was ninjas.
:nunchuck:
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I still think it was ninjas.
:nunchuck:
The possibility cannot be discounted, given the Warren Commission's peculiar failure to even look into the Ninja angle.
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It was that guy Sam Beckett that keeps leaping all over time and finding himself in different places
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It's a piece of shit, but functional if maintained. It comes in second to about every other 20th-Century bolt action rifle ever made. The scope and mount on Oswald's gun were added commercial items, not original equipment. Also difficult to even find ammo for one, the two main Italian WW2 rifle cartridges were unique to Italy, nobody else used them. An often poorly-made Italian interpretation of the Austro-Hungarian Mannlicher design, the two virtues it would have had from Oswald's point of view were that the carbine version was shorter than about any other stock military surplus rifle and it was dirt cheap (though the ammo, not so much).
Thanks for the info DT.
Based on what you know about the rifle do you think a person could make those three shots in the time frame without a ton of luck?
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The possibility cannot be discounted, given the Warren Commission's peculiar failure to even look into the Ninja angle.
And they never confirmed or denied that the ninja were involved. Hmmmmmmmm....
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Thanks for the info DT.
Based on what you know about the rifle do you think a person could make those three shots in the time frame without a ton of luck?
To get off three shot requires only the time to work the action twice, since he would have been starting with one up the pipe. Oswald had been a Marine, and was no slouch with a piece apparently. I don't remember what the total exposure time was, IIRC exactly which bullet hit whom has been quite the CT debate item ever since the event. But if you go with the first round going right where it was aimed followed by two sloppier shots, it takes less than ten seconds to get three rounds off with any bolt action rifle.
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It was totally Oswald. The guy was a nut. He shot at some other politician a short while before.
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I thought the cigarette smoking man killed JFK.