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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on November 20, 2008, 03:32:19 PM
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Oh my.
guntard (358 posts) Wed Nov-05-08 02:51 PM
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Obama
From the Guntards.net blog, though strictly speaking it doesn't really apply to Gungeon participants:
Last night I was at a bar I haven’t visited in a long time. There was a guy there who I literally have not seen in about three years or so, but he knew who I was. He was watching the election returns on the teevee and at one point he looked over at me and said, “It’s a bad night for gun owners.â€
I told him I’m not sure. I suggested on the one hand, gun control has been a losing political issue almost everywhere except California, so the Democrats might let it be. On the other hand, the Democrats might feel empowered by their mandate and, remembering 2001, deliver a mighty “**** YOU†to Republicans everywhere and plunge into an orgy of legislation they would never have been able to pass under any other circumstances. I’m not sure.
But I don’t care. America’s gun owners are reaping what they sowed, and whatever one’s take on the issues there can be no question that justice is being served, narrowly, and it’s a righteous thing. For this entire decade America’s gun owners gave the Bush Administration a pass as they wiped their asses on the Constitution; initiated pointless, destructive wars; crippled our once-excellent armed forces; systematically looted the nation and, finally, threw the entire world over the brink into what may well be the worst global depression since 1933. But they made sure their buddies on Wall Street were taken care of, and that Paulson’s former colleagues at Morgan Stanley all got their bonuses.
How can any of this be defended?
Well, America’s gun owners defended it, again and again and again. And they continued in the last few weeks, even after the extent of the Republican wealth destruction and cronyism was exposed. After the War Leader shoved a $700 billion Wall Street bailout down our throats, they had the unmitigated gall to accuse Barack Obama of advocating “socialism,†whatever the **** that is supposed to mean.
For the sake of the occasional rhetorical pat on the head – and no substantial enhancement or protection of gun rights what-so-****ing-ever – America’s gun owners would allow the War Leader and his Congressional cronies a free reign to bring this nation to its knees, economically, socially and militarily.
And the rest of America, sick to death of it, elected the War Leader’s nemesis, and a proven enemy of gun rights. Good!
Well, is there any question of how this happened? If America’s gun owners had an ounce of principle among them the wars and the looting and the mass abrogations of civil rights would have ended before they really got started. But there is no principle there. Obama was right, they are clinging to their guns out of fear, insecurity, hatred of that which is different and unknown; we understand that now from the vile anti-Obama rhetoric of the last two months. Not out of any real principle in the importance of civil rights for all people everywhere.
And now they learn what happens when you trade principles for rhetoric. You lose, maybe everything.
I was reading the LA Times today, and they were reporting about the election night jubilation in Chicago and Washington DC. Where America’s gun owners were predicting, with their usual idiot prescience, riots and mayhem whatever the outcome, there was mass joy – mass joy! – fellowship among tens of thousands of strangers in America’s most violent cities and tears of relief and hope. When was the last time any President-elect ever elicited such jubilant enthusiasm? FDR? Perhaps not even him. Will Obama deliver on the promise, on these hopes? Probably not in any concrete fashion, he and Biden really aren’t that much different from McCain, when you get down to it. But what he can do is heal this country, in our own eyes and in the eyes of a celebrating world fed up with Republican boneheaded arrogance.
If the Republican base, particularly America’s gun owners, will let him, which they probably won’t. I was reading Free Republic this morning too, where delusional wingnuts pour out their messages of hate and intolerance (characterized today by the success of California’s Proposition 8, on an issue that has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the lives of the people who favored it). Reading Free Republic made me sad. Reading the LA Times made me happy.
I did not vote for Obama; I never thought he was the best man for the job (I haven’t voted for President since 1980) and he didn’t need my vote in California anyway, But I am ever so pleased with his victory, and though I think it is dangerous to have such a strong Democratic Congress backing up a Democratic White House, I find myself looking forward to the Obama Presidency as I have never before in my entire life.
We might lose many of our gun rights along the way. But it is no more than most of America’s gun owners deserve. And there are more important things in life anyway.
Like national self respect.
The bird-smacking stoned red-faced primitive, Sitting Bull:
Redstone (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-08 02:57 PM
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1. Well, Jesus, yes. Yes, indeed.
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Guntard certainly is verbose isn't he. Maybe he is unaware that large numbers of democrats (even some real liberal democrats) are gun owners and even lifetime NRA members. Even John Kerry pretends to be a hunter. I am probably well to the left of most posters here at the DUmpster, and I am a gun nut. Guntard is falsely equating gun ownership to a certain conservative ideology, so I'm guessing he is kind of ignorant of demographics of gun ownership and shooting sports.
Gun control means hitting what you aim to hit and nothing else. I control my guns quite well. And my slogan is "a gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone".
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Gun control means hitting what you aim to hit and nothing else. I control my guns quite well. And my slogan is "a gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone".
H5 for the slogan!
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Oh my.
The bird-smacking stoned red-faced primitive, Sitting Bull:
Fortunately for many of us bitter gun clingers, it won't matter what Hussein tries to do, we're stocking up in preparation of just that. It will be a form of "civil disobedience", which I believe the left fervently espouses when it comes to their issues and rights. Buy from individuals when you can, and don't leave a paper trail. It also helps to have a huge extended family which has collected weapons for decades, and swaps around.
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When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
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Remember now, you greedy conservatives, we must spread the wealth......2 shots each ought to be about right......more for the truly
needy greedy.
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Remember now, you greedy conservatives, we must spread the wealth......2 shots each ought to be about right......more for the truly needy greedy.
H5 for the reminder. But, we should modify it to be only applicable for rimfires.
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Fortunately for many of us bitter gun clingers, it won't matter what Hussein tries to do, we're stocking up in preparation of just that. It will be a form of "civil disobedience", which I believe the left fervently espouses when it comes to their issues and rights. Buy from individuals when you can, and don't leave a paper trail. It also helps to have a huge extended family which has collected weapons for decades, and swaps around.
I don't (yet) own a firearm, and never have, but my impression is that any further attempts at gun control will encourage development of that attitude prevalent during Prohibition, among both the general public and those in law-enforcement.
I can't see many cops trying to enforce it.
The attorneys might insist it be enforced, but what are they to do?
Enforce it themselves?
Prohibition all over again.
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Will Obama deliver on the promise, on these hopes? Probably not in any concrete fashion, he and Biden really aren’t that much different from McCain, when you get down to it. But what he can do is heal this country, in our own eyes and in the eyes of a celebrating world fed up with Republican boneheaded arrogance.
If the Republican base, particularly America’s gun owners, will let him, which they probably won’t.
What do you mean "if they let him?" It's up to Il Duce to do his own lifting and overcome obstacles. You dolts have some weird idea that if it's a Dem they should get a free pass to do whatever they want. That's not how it works, and if you didn't know it already, you will.
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For real. When they pass a law that tells you that you must register your guns what are you going to do? There is always a lot of big talk but what are you prepared to do? The stage is set for some really sweeping gun laws and if they pass some peoples bravado will be put to the test.
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I should know better than to try to analyze this person, but apprently what he's saying is that it's okay for Barack Hussein Obama to go after the Second Amendment to annoy "delusional wingnuts", since George W. Bush had destroyed the world economy during his tenure.
Even though this retard "guntard" owns guns himself, which contradicts:
If the Republican base, particularly America’s gun owners, will let him, which they probably won’t. I was reading Free Republic this morning too, where delusional wingnuts pour out their messages of hate and intolerance (characterized today by the success of California’s Proposition 8, on an issue that has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the lives of the people who favored it). Reading Free Republic made me sad. Reading the LA Times made me happy.
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I did not vote for Obama; I never thought he was the best man for the job (I haven’t voted for President since 1980) and he didn’t need my vote in California anyway,
But prop 8 could've. He just wants to bitch and pontificate and read the LA Times.
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They can have my version of gun control. Its me holding my gun and using controlled fire on those that seek to deny me my rights as a gun owner and an American.
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For real. When they pass a law that tells you that you must register your guns what are you going to do? There is always a lot of big talk but what are you prepared to do? The stage is set for some really sweeping gun laws and if they pass some peoples bravado will be put to the test.
It is not my bravado I am afraid of them testing. I have been brave enough, much as I am sane enough. Bravery is a funny thing and a man with a family has a lot to lose.
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It is not my bravado I am afraid of them testing. I have been brave enough, much as I am sane enough. Bravery is a funny thing and a man with a family has a lot to lose.
So you will register your guns?
Might I remind everyone that registration has always preceeded confiscation. History is full of examples.
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So you will register your guns?
Might I remind everyone that registration has always preceeded confiscation. History is full of examples.
I wrote a post concerning that very thing, but thought better than to publish it! :-)