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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on November 20, 2008, 11:45:21 AM
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Oh my.
The cause of the minute, by the subway cat:
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 12:59 AM
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Let car culture DIE!
Car makers gave us this pollution,the suburban sprawl and "car culture".The Auto makers RUINED public transportation and created Car Aparthied. I for one Am glad to see them FAIL.I hope they DIE.
People need to stop depending on corporations. We need to re-connect to each other.
Bail out General Motors? The people who murdered our mass transit system?
First let them remake what they destroyed.
Analyses of the failure of all levels of government to prevent or effectively manage the Katrina calamity in New Orleans have generally missed a crucial point. Alongside bias against poor people and African-Americans is automobile apartheid, born of fifty years of suburban sprawl. First-class citizens drive motor vehicles, second-class Americans walk, cycle, or ride public transit. Certainly many of the latter are poor, but millions more are middle-class Americans.
When emergency response largely ignores the plight of second-class citizens, no one should be surprised.
Automobile apartheid means anyone who wants mobility through walking, cycling, or public transportation suffers discrimination in a built environment designed for automobiles.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 02:15 AM
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22. Agree with you 100% these pigs MUST pay for the damage.
When's the pig--er, the subway cat--going to pay for the damage she's done my pocketbook, what with all these deductions to support her?
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 02:16 AM
Response to Reply #3
23. dammit, double post again
This bug is driving me nuts.
It's the middle of the night, and the subway cat apparently got startled by the roar of a Volkswagen Bug under her bedroom window.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 02:18 AM
Response to Reply #1
24. Depression will come regardless of where you buy shit from.Because of the globalists.Greedy people and the cancer called capitalism.And because the world cannot maintain this lifestyle we have forever.
A cheerful one, isn't she, the subway cat?
Then a primitive posts photographs of his various automobiles, which he isn't willing to have killed, which sorely upsets the subway cat:
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 01:45 AM
Response to Reply #5
11. can't run that thing forever
There will come an end to oil.
And in Europe,cars do not dominate everything.The towns were built before cars existed, so they are people friendly,and so, over there they don't have the addiction to ****ing cars like you do.
The auto industry killed public transport for PROFITS.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #6
15. when gas was over 4 bucks a gallon
There was a reduction of driving...What if gas was ten bucks a gallon?
I bet there would be alot less driving. I bet that there would be more scooters, bikes and walking.I bet people would be looking for jobs closer to home.I bet there would be many changes.
And franksolich bets that one of the changes will be people unwilling to pay taxes to support the subway cat, because people want gasoline, not freeloaders, in their budgets.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #6
16. Sorry, double post
Hmmm. Another Volkswagen Bug must have roared by.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #7
14. lack of oil and cost of gas might end it for you.
Lack of oil and the cost of gasoline might compel taxpayers to quit supporting the subway cat.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 02:03 AM
Response to Reply #8
19. Yep and you know what,unless we stop bowing to the boss, buying what we are told to buy,and quit being so damn obedient and corporate dependant and if we fail to force the rich to share there will be loooong soup lines.
Or long cat-food lines.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #9
13. umm oil is not in endless supply.
regardless of what you call my fantasy, car culture is a fantasy,because it is unsustainable in the real world.
People in rural areas may have to become more'dense' and form small communities.
People lived without cars before.Eventually we will have to learn to live without them again.That is reality.
People lived without welfare checks before. Eventually people will have to learn to live without welfare checks again. That is reality, and it's coming fast.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. The problem
Is no infrastructures for public transport have been built because the auto industry made sure Americans are addicted to cars.Despite what you might want, Oil will not last forever.There will come a time where people will have to change the way they live ,suburban sprawl will have to go,and people will have to walk more and SHARE transportation burdens via mass transit.There was life before the car.There will be life after the car.There was life before corporations,there will be life when they die.
It will happen.there will be an end for car culture it is unsustainable.So is suburban sprawl,and capitalism.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #17
20. Yes I know.
But truthfully this lifestyle cannot go on forever.
Eventually everyone will be forced to make some hard choices,and towns will be forced to change.Our culture has forced people to move to chase work,or other things,This culture is rootless.
No roots put down, so families are scattered over hundreds of miles.Relying on cars.Very bad place to be,and you can thank greedy auto makers who block public transport initiatives for this mess.
Car culture and capitalism made this mess.
And like usual we will have to find another way.
When gas is a luxury,that hundred mile trek might not be a common trip.You might have to renegotiate with your ex how the custody is handled.Because in the future that kind of trip might prove very costly.And I think food and warmth might override the car trip.
This is what we are facing,unless we get organized and push for decent public transport now wherever we are ,before it is too late and fuel makes cars a luxury item.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. And I do not find anything in Car culture.It is toxic,violent,and isolating.American culture's main by product is loneliness.I don't like this kind of culture, or capitalism ,it is exploitative,abusive and unsustainable..
The subway cat suddenly and abruptly ran away from her own bonfire, because all the other primitives started mocking her.
Excresence happens.
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DUmb-as-a-friggin-stump.
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Naturally the only thing it is interested in is public (read free) transportation for itself.
No surprise there.
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Naturally the only thing it is interested in is public (read free) transportation for itself.
No surprise there.
As long as it can mooch off of the hard work of people like us Cavers, neighbor . . . :whatever:
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Oh my.
The cause of the minute, by the subway cat:
When's the pig--er, the subway cat--going to pay for the damage she's done my pocketbook, what with all these deductions to support her?
It's the middle of the night, and the subway cat apparently got startled by the roar of a Volkswagen Bug under her bedroom window.
A cheerful one, isn't she, the subway cat?
Then a primitive posts photographs of his various automobiles, which he isn't willing to have killed, which sorely upsets the subway cat:
And franksolich bets that one of the changes will be people unwilling to pay taxes to support the subway cat, because people want gasoline, not freeloaders, in their budgets.
Hmmm. Another Volkswagen Bug must have roared by.
Lack of oil and the cost of gasoline might compel taxpayers to quit supporting the subway cat.
Or long cat-food lines.
People lived without welfare checks before. Eventually people will have to learn to live without welfare checks again. That is reality, and it's coming fast.
The subway cat suddenly and abruptly ran away from her own bonfire, because all the other primitives started mocking her.
Excresence happens.
I think what this screed amounts to, as with so many of subway scat's screeds, is that if she doesn't have something, no one should have it. Typical bitter envious lefty, too lazy or stupid to get their own, so either wants yours, or wants yours confiscated.
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I think what this screed amounts to, as with so many of subway scat's screeds, is that if she doesn't have something, no one should have it. Typical bitter envious lefty, too lazy or stupid to get their own, so either wants yours, or wants yours confiscated.
Bingo!!
Having a car doesn`t just require the money to purchase it,there is insurance,gas and other ongoing expenses.
It doesn`t want to do what is needed to have those funds so it goes off on a screaming rage about how evil they are.
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The subway cat is not thinking of the consequences down the line for a society without cars.
How will people get their children to the government-run health centers for their free medical care?
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I read the Little Goon thread. I am almost proud of some of them. They seem to understand that some island dwellers live in trees and some live on the ground. They also seem to understand that their Big Island is not Europe.
I could swell. With pride. But I won't. They are still idiots.
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The subway cat is not thinking of the consequences down the line for a society without cars.
How will people get their children to the government-run health centers for their free medical care?
I did note that subway scat thinks it would be a good thing if everyone were forced to live in urban areas (because they're so well run already ::) ). Typical socialist, wants everyone herded together for easier control. They don't really believe in freedom-duh!-because they're against so many things that enable or entail liberty, such as self-defense (gun control), homeschooling (opting out of the government, especially socialist, indoctrination), and small scattered communities which tend to be more self-sufficient.
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IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #50
65. But....it's EUROPE!!
And Europe is, like, totally awesome in every way!
Touchdown (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #6
75. As long as Sonic makes good burgers... people will need cars to eat them in.
krispos42 (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 02:01 AM
Response to Original message
17. Ooooooor, I can take the non-existant bus! Or the non-existant train! Because every small town in rural America has non-existant bus and rail service to every other rural small town, you know.
:lmao:
StrictlyRockers (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 01:09 PM
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73. Gas should be taxed up to $10.00 per gallon. We should use it to fund public transportation.
... says the person with the Dennis Kucinich avatar.
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Public transportation is a wonderful thing and I wish there was more of it, and it was more convenient, however, I don't care to give up the freedom that having my own car allows me. I'm thinking I might want an SUV. Its easier to carry guns and shooting gear in a big SUV than it is my sports coup.
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Public transportation is a wonderful thing and I wish there was more of it, and it was more convenient, however, I don't care to give up the freedom that having my own car allows me. I'm thinking I might want an SUV. Its easier to carry guns and shooting gear in a big SUV than it is my sports coup.
Much less on a public bus.
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Jesus! she really is dumb! If all of the auto manufacturers die like she wants them to....Who is going to build the ****ing bus she loves so much? :uhsure:
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Please, for the love of God, subway cat...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/kademan/space.jpg)
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Can somebody please park a truck on its fat ass?
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What I think is the funniest thing about UGP's screed is she doesn't ever realize the idiocy of "eventually it's going away anyway". This as she sits on an internet connection, of some sort and probably broadband. You think, that for a moment, just a moment, she would be able to reflect on the number of technological innovations that let her hammer at a keyboard to an audience of hundreds.
Bottom line, If/As oil reserves deplete and consumer price increases technological innovations will either move away from petrol or we will produce it chemically ourselves. It's human nature to innovate, adapt, and overcome, and those who do are rewarded richly.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Nov-20-08 12:59 AM
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Let car culture DIE!
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Edited on Thu Nov-20-08 01:00 AM by undergroundpanther
Car makers gave us this pollution,the suburban sprawl and "car culture".The Auto makers RUINED public transportation and created Car Aparthied. I for one Am glad to see them FAIL.I hope they DIE.
People need to stop depending on corporations. We need to re-connect to each other.
Bail out General Motors? The people who murdered our mass transit system?
First let them remake what they destroyed.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/11/16-6
Analyses of the failure of all levels of government to prevent or effectively manage the Katrina calamity in New Orleans have generally missed a crucial point. Alongside bias against poor people and African-Americans is automobile apartheid, born of fifty years of suburban sprawl. First-class citizens drive motor vehicles, second-class Americans walk, cycle, or ride public transit. Certainly many of the latter are poor, but millions more are middle-class Americans.
When emergency response largely ignores the plight of second-class citizens, no one should be surprised.
Automobile apartheid means anyone who wants mobility through walking, cycling, or public transportation suffers discrimination in a built environment designed for automobiles.
http://www.walkablestreets.com/apart.htm
Yeah, let's illegalize the manufacture, sale and possession of all private vehicles and have a nice little socialist utopia (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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3. yep - We are going to be in a world of hurt here real soon.
I think those who made this happen through greed and avarice should pay with everything they own.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Nov-20-08 02:15 AM
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22. Agree with you 100%
these pigs MUST pay for the damage.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Nov-20-08 02:25 AM
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29. So what is your solution? Kill them all?
eat the rich and go into a nice socialist communal economy?
That is going from ONE set of utopia to another
By the way here is a huge freaking clue... this ain't capitalism, Hasn't been for MANY years.
Hey at least I have read my Adam Smith and can tell the difference between the theory and the reality... by the by also read my Marx and Engels, a couple more dreamers in the same category as Smith
I am getting sick and tired of people who are blind to the fact that wishing for others to loose their jobs so their ideal world can come is not cool... nor liberal, or progressive
Changes have to come, and they will come... but what you want to happen is just freaking nuts
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That post wont last long.
undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Nov-20-08 01:45 AM
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11. can't run that thing forever
There will come an end to oil.
And in Europe,cars do not dominate everything.The towns were built before cars existed, so they are people friendly,and so, over there they don't have the addiction to ****ing cars like you do.
The auto industry killed public transport for PROFITS.
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Nov-20-08 04:22 AM
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42. Your forgeting how wide spread the US is compared to others.
People live real close to each other in paces like Europe and Japan, and the vast majority live in cities thats one reason why that have such good public trans. A big number of the population here live in cities too, yet a huge number also in live rural areas like I do who have no choice but to drive a car.
Your "death to car culture" preaching will only fall on its face here. The solution is not just more public trans, we desperately need alternative fueled autos. Thats more important as of now.
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That fact alone should be obvious.
People like the OP are clearly not thinking these things through.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Nov-20-08 01:45 AM
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11. can't run that thing forever
There will come an end to oil.
The planet will not run out of oil in our children's lifetime nor our children's children's, nor our children's children's children's.
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-20-08 12:59 AM
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Let car culture DIE!
Car makers gave us this pollution,the suburban sprawl and "car culture".The Auto makers RUINED public transportation
WTF is this idiot babbling about, stagecoaches and steam locomotives?
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Hey dike, in a "Commune" everyone is supposed to contribute. What the hell do you offer? Yeah, as I suspected. Not a damn thing. Probably better for the "commune" for you to just die off.
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Hey dike, in a "Commune" everyone is supposed to contribute. What the hell do you offer? Yeah, as I suspected. Not a damn thing. Probably better for the "commune" for you to just die off.
Well from my understanding of a commune...One actually has to like or be able to tolerate other human beings! UGP can't do either......and she's extremely lazy something one cannot be, in a commune!
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Well from my understanding of a commune...One actually has to like or be able to tolerate other human beings! UGP can't do either......and she's extremely lazy something one cannot be, in a commune!
Yeah, communal living requires something of a barter system. What can UGP give people? Pictures of angry cats? And yeah, her attitude wouldn't go far if you had to group with others to survive.
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Johnny starts singing an old commercial tune......Reach out....reach out and touch someone..........and wonders just how hard to touch that someone?
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undergroundpanther
Let horse and buggy culture DIE!
This is what her post would have looked like if it were Nov. 20, 1808. Once a complainer, always a complainer.
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This is what her post would have looked like if it were Nov. 20, 1808. Once a complainer, always a complainer.
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Where we'd be today if that moron would have had its way millions of years ago:
(http://www.ebolterinn.com/gallery/albums/buzz/Korean_Caveman_jpg.sized.jpg)
This is what those technology-hating fools want us devolved into.
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Can somebody please park a truck on its fat ass?
I've gota one ton Duolly, will that work? :bump: :bump:
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I've gota one ton Duolly, will that work? :bump: :bump:
Naaah--more like a dump truck out of one of those massive strip mines out West.
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Hey dike, in a "Commune" everyone is supposed to contribute. What the hell do you offer? Yeah, as I suspected. Not a damn thing. Probably better for the "commune" for you to just die off.
Well after all these years of her posting,Id hate to think what she would be giving out.
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Well after all these years of her posting,Id hate to think what she would be giving out.
Grief, pure and simple.
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Okay, if Global Warming(TM) was real, and it's not, it would be science that was at fault for inventing stuff and making use of what is on the earth.
So the whole Global Warming(TM) war is science going to war with itself after it was discovered the best thing science can be used for is propaganda.
Things fall apart, it's scientific.
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Okay, if Global Warming(TM) was real, and it's not, it would be science that was at fault for inventing stuff and making use of what is on the earth.
So the whole Global Warming(TM) war is science going to war with itself after it was discovered the best thing science can be used for is propaganda.
Things fall apart, it's scientific.
Go, entropy, go!
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