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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: formerlurker on November 15, 2008, 07:07:49 AM
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2132245/posts?q=1&;page=454#454
I am completely at a loss here are to why the Messiah will not release a simple birth certificate. After what they put McCain through on the same topic (to which he cooperated fully), it makes no sense at all -- no matter how you look at this -- why they aren't just making him turn it over.
Bizarre.
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Kind of ruins the whole "first black president" thing if his birth cert says "Caucasian".
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Kind of ruins the whole "first black president" thing if his birth cert says "Caucasian".
Typical white mom. :-)
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I can't see this going very far. I wish it would but you know it won't.
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Kind of ruins the whole "first black president" thing if his birth cert says "Caucasian".
I think you may have nailed it to the wall, there, young lady.
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Will it make a difference? His Congress will merely pass a resolution declaring him a citizen. After all, if Congress Critters aren't above the law, who is? ::)
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Will it make a difference? His Congress will merely pass a resolution declaring him a citizen. After all, if Congress Critters aren't above the law, who is? ::)
Illegal aliens.
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This brings the tally to what? About 17 similar lawsuits in 12 states?
It would be easy for Obama to prove his citizenship. The fact that he doesn't infers that he does indeed have something to hide.
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Will it make a difference? His Congress will merely pass a resolution declaring him a citizen. After all, if Congress Critters aren't above the law, who is? ::)
So long as the Constitution trumps Congress - or the Executive or Judicial branches of the Federal gub'mint - they can pass unconstitutional resolutions until they're blue in the face and it don't matter a tinker's damn. The moment the will of 535 lords and ladies is allowed to trump the Constitution, we as a nation - individually and collectively - are ****ed.
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Well, as the various links indicate - even if The Messiah ponies up his birth certificate (as factcheck.org points out, he did cough it up back in June) - he's a mere citizen, as opposed to a natural born citizen.
The Messiah's father was Kenyan and since Kenya was a British possession/colony/center of the universe due to The Messiah's birth at the time of The Messiah's birth, Obama Sr. and his children were subject to that law. Uh...I guess that would include The Messiah even though He apparently walks on water.
Just because Obama was born in Hawaii does not a natural born citizen make. He enjoys dual citizenship, which, according to the lawsuits, blogs, and the flurry of words in lots of locations, is a showstopper.
Watching and waiting...... :coffee:
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Just because Obama was born in Hawaii
If indeed he was.
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Just so y'all are aware, there is a grass roots movement to see this Obama birth certificate thing through: http://www.democratic-disaster.com/index.php
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If indeed he was.
Hmmm. Is there some claim that The Messiah was born someplace else other than Hawaii? If so, I've not read it and I've done a fair amount of research on this issue.
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Hmmm. Is there some claim that The Messiah was born someplace else other than Hawaii? If so, I've not read it and I've done a fair amount of research on this issue.
Der Fuhrer's grandmother was purported to have said at a fund raiser or somesuch that she was there in the hospital in Nairobi when her daughter gave birth to the Messiah. Whenever it's come up since then, an Obama flak has been quick to say that the old lady misspoke, but there was no refutation of the words by the grandmother herself.
I haven't seen corroberating evidence to justify this, but it's yet another "controversy" which would be shot right down by Der Fuhrer giving the USSC his Long Form birth certificate like he's been ordered to.
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Der Fuhrer's grandmother was purported to have said at a fund raiser or somesuch that she was there in the hospital in Nairobi when her daughter gave birth to the Messiah. Whenever it's come up since then, an Obama flak has been quick to say that the old lady misspoke, but there was no refutation of the words by the grandmother herself.
I haven't seen corroberating evidence to justify this, but it's yet another "controversy" which would be shot right down by Der Fuhrer giving the USSC his Long Form birth certificate like he's been ordered to.
I think there is some question as to wheather this is on their docket or not.
But to disavow his assention to the throne now would cause mass riots among his followers .....so the powers that be will probably let him slide even if he isn't a natural born citizen.l
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I think there is some question as to wheather this is on their docket or not.
But to disavow his assention to the throne now would cause mass riots among his followers .....so the powers that be will probably let him slide even if he isn't a natural born citizen.l
I'd say there would be a pretty safe bet that there will be rioting if they do allow someone who was not a natural born citizen to take that office.
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I'd say there would be a pretty safe bet that there will be rioting if they do allow someone who was not a natural born citizen to take that office.
Agreed.
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I'd say there would be a pretty safe bet that there will be rioting if they do allow someone who was not a natural born citizen to take that office.
I don't think they would burn cities and kill like the Obama followers would.
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I don't think they would burn cities and kill like the Obama followers would.
No................I believe if it was found and shoved under the rug that a President is there illegally a defacto revolution would be started.......................where it goes is in the eye of the beholder
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IF Obama is found to be not qualified for office, it would be a great disservice to this country. Of course, the Obama-ites will riot. They can't grasp the concept of right & wrong. After all, the end justifies the mean, in their eyes. If it's proven that Obama is not qualified and they let him slide on the issue, I would HOPE that the righteous would stand up and do what's necessary.
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I think there is some question as to wheather this is on their docket or not.
But to disavow his assention to the throne now would cause mass riots among his followers .....so the powers that be will probably let him slide even if he isn't a natural born citizen.l
Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm to the point that I firmly believe that the Party system - Republicans and Democrats inclusive - have sold every principle my father and forefathers ever gave me for the sake of un-checked political power, and now are in a seemingly concerted effort to scrap the last remaining hurdle to that goal - the US Constitution.
Barack Obama taking center seat in the Oval Office as someone Constitutionally inelligible for the position may seem like a small thing, but the damage that one simple act does in undermining the Constitution and in opening the doorway for further usurpation of that authority is unmeasurable. If he is determined to be invalid for the position, and that determination starts another civil war, then perhaps another civil war is what this country needs, because anyone who would seat an invalid "president" over the absolute prohibition of the Constitution is no friend to the Constitution, is no friend to this country or her people, and is no friend to me.
Many of you here are military men and women, who have sworn an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies - foreign and DOMESTIC; how does such a person not qualify in the most straightforward of terms as an enemy to the Constitution? If such a person can be allowed to undermine the authority of the Constitution in this little thing, what is the difference between this little thing and the bigger thing later? What break is it that prevents the bigger usurpation, when the little usurpation has already been allowed?
I will not tolerate this. If the President Elect can prove he is a 'natural borne' citizen of this country - as he has been UNWILLING to do thus far - I will shut up, and raise no more question of his legitimacy to the office he's been elected to. I won't like it, and I will still oppose any further usurpation of Constitutional authority by him during the next 4 years, but he will be the properly elected President of the UNited States in my eyes and in my actions.
If however, he is elevated to the elected office without this issue settled positively, for all to see, then the United States government as the Constitution has defined it, died with the close of President Bush's administration, and I from here forward declare my eternal, undying emnity to that despotic tyranny that has replaced it, and any who stand to support it.
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Nice speech....I like it.....but who among us is willing to take him out, because it's for certain, he and his followers will not go quietly into the night.
Think about it. If you were to take him out violently, your wife and kids, heck your whole extended family will be in danger for many years to come.
I'd say tie it up in court to the point he's so weak as a president that he has to get 'Shell to hold his pecker up to piss.
...and then pray, "Thy will be done but deliver us from Hillary."
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Two words:
President Biden
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That's why nothing will come of this lawsuit in my opinion.
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Two words:
President Biden
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That's why nothing will come of this lawsuit in my opinion.
At least Biden would have the advantage of being legitimately entitled to the seat. And the Constitution's authority wouldn't be undermined.
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If Obama was sworn in and then found to be ineligible to hold office, would would that make Biden President, or would it create a constitutional crisis? After all, Obama would not have been a duly elected President.
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Think about it. If you were to take him out violently, your wife and kids, heck your whole extended family will be in danger for many years to come.
Like they wouldn't be in danger when the Constitution and it's restrictions on the power of Government didn't matter a damn?
My family have been in this country, have fought and bled for this country since before it was a country. I have a great great waaaay the hell back grandfather that was wounded fighting for General Washington at the Battle of Germantown. I had grandparents on both sides of the Civil war. My mother's father was just through jump school and assigned to a regiment of the 101st airborne when they began training for the invasion of Japan in July of 1945. I've got a great uncle who was a gunners mate on a destroyer in the Pacific, an uncle who was a SeaBee in Korea, and my father, who's first taste of active military service right out of A-school was the "Forrest-Fire" incident in 1967. ALL of them have since returned home to the God that created them, and have heard their Savior tell them, "well done, thou good and faithful servant. Come and receive the rest of my peace." How could I pass through the veil when my time came, and look those men in the eye if I wasn't willing to stand in defense of that Constitution that they were willing to DIE to preserve.
More importantly, what do I tell my son, or his children when they ask me what was so important, that I was willing to sacrifice their freedom and keep silent, when the Constitution was undermined, and liberty was shelved in favor of tyranny.
I've already talked this over with my family (try explaining things like this to a 4-year old sometime). They know what's coming as well as I do. They know how important this fight is. And they would be offended if I was silent when contributing my voice to the defense of the Constitution - and our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor as well - might have made a difference.
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Ah, the hell with it. We're headed down the road to being a third world country anyway.....might as well have a military coup and just get it over with. At least the pansies won't be in charge.
Not really.
Has the SS been notified as to this thread yet?
It's been done in N.C. recently.
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If Obama was sworn in and then found to be ineligible to hold office, would would that make Biden President, or would it create a constitutional crisis? After all, Obama would not have been a duly elected President.
Based on what I read yesterday (the link is further up in this thread), the Electoral College will, on 15 Dec 08, cast their ballots. Those ballots will show that Biden will be elected as VICE PRESIDENT.
So, in short, what the whole thing would create is a constitutional crisis. The writer, who is an attorney, stated that the issue will go to Congress - not to SCOTUS - for resolution in the event that Obama is determined to be ineligible.
But I dunno. All I'm doin' is speculatin' and pissin' in the wind.
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Comments from a similiar article: LINK (http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/elections/presheadlines/34587804.html)
11:02 AM D.RAMIREZ wrote ...
This is just waste of time and taxpayer money. Who cares if electoral votes are rescinded in Hawaii? Who cares if Obama is not naturalized? Doees thia chane anything. I think people who are questioning his birthplace are unamerican aand unpatriotic. Obama is a citizen of this great country and has proven his worth mant tiimees over. How many of you have turned down lucrative jobs to fight for the people? Keep hiding your rascism behind meaningless thinly veiled accustaions.
Yeah....who cares....our laws don't really matter. :banghead:
10:52 AM Stupid Story wrote ...
Hello People. You know, if he wasn't elgible, he wouldn't of run. End of sotry.
"Stupid Story" drank a little too much of the Kool-aid. End of sotry.
10:40 AM Prove It wrote ...
If there is nothing to hide, then what is the harm in showing the original birth certificate to the world? As to the supposed racism, the only one that talked about race during this campaign was Obama.
Ow! That left a mark. :rotf:
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Oh boy, another tinfoil theory.
Yesterday in the UK SUN, an article about al-Zawahiri's new terror tape, quotes the alqaida chief addressing Sen. Obama as "son of Malik Al Shabaz (Malcolm X). " Tony Wells' article is a very interesting read! This CANNOT be construed as the ramblings of "some right wing conspiracy nut"! Again, I am forced to ponder, WHY hasn't Obama displayed his documents and scuttled this undercurrent, especially since the US Supreme Court is holding a "conference" on the matter on December 5. I am compelled to consider a combination of the two primary theories that are in seeming conflict, as perhaps simply "both being true, and validating each other!"
1) He was born of Ann Dunham and Obama Sr in Kenya and the President elect is covering up his consequent illegal status re:eligibility.
2) He is the illigimate son of Malcolm X.
I deduct from these a synthesis. He was born the son of Macolm X and Mrs(Ms) "Unamed to date", legally and is a US Citizen. Fearing for his life his was surrepetitiosly scurried out of the country (Moses in the basket?, will probably become the theme), given secretly to Dunham to raise with help (which would explain the picture of Dunham on the beach in a bikini at the time of 3rd trimester of the purported pregnancy). The registration of birth in Hawaii therefor, is not actually going to reveal an "illegal citizenship", but instead an elaborate contrivance, gone bad in the details...after all...who would believe the son of Macolm X could be President?
So the plot thickens of course. If true, when did Obama find out? Will he claim he is only finding out since the "search of records he asumed were accurate, about a life story he believed was accurate, all left him believing he was actually a Sotero/Obama baby? But, since I have been elected, and I am actually legal,
I'll just learn to live with newly rendered self image-which is strictly a personal matter, and America will just have to understand...Fantastic, but maybe closer to the truth than we dare to imagine...sure makes good movie script...Everyone should have fun with this one...or should they?
It would certainly put Malcolm's close friend, confidant, and "mentor to his son"...Weathermen-US TERROR leader, William Ayers...in a new and different perspective for the public eye...as well as Rev. Jeremiah Wright...also mentor/friend/pastor/who shares a dual citizenship problem, albeit spirtual...Christian in name/Muslim in view of Jesus...and the list goes on...enter stage left..."the Obamatrons"...like the planet they have chosen their man to guide: they are: slighly out of sync with true magnetic north and spin on different axis; they think they're hot, when really its just normal cycles in motion and the earth corrects itself and cares not for the opinion of man, while politics corrects itself with the shifting whims of the masses; they talk about "the prevailing winds" while ignoring the fact that the direction the earth spins causes the wind-not the spinning of the wind that causes rotation; and most important of all, no matter how large the majority that consents to their rule, neither G-d's truth nor his plan will ever bend to their opinions or programs... however this drama obout Sen. Obama's origins plays out, it is his future that now rules the balance of racial peace, economic stability, Constitutional law, and The Bill of Rights...If either or both of these scenarios has any legitimacy at all, we and therefore the world are facing terrible consequences as a result...
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He is the illigimate son of Malcolm X.
Oh lord... :whatever:
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Hey I only report 'em. He does have the same "smell a fart" pose.
(http://problemchylde.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/16.jpg)