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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Strider on November 14, 2008, 07:56:40 PM
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Is for pussies.....
Carry on.... :-)
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My daughter's high school went to state in Football. I don't have the official story, just heresay at this point. Turns out their star player dropped the N word in reference to Obama a few weeks ago. He was suspended and kicked off the football team so he couldn't play in the State playoffs. Yeah, the kid messed up and said something stupid, show me a teenager who doesn't say dumb things.
Not excusing the use of the N word, but I sense the outrage is selective on the part of the teachers.
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My daughter's high school went to state in Football. I don't have the official story, just heresay at this point. Turns out their star player dropped the N word in reference to Obama a few weeks ago. He was suspended and kicked off the football team so he couldn't play in the State playoffs. Yeah, the kid messed up and said something stupid, show me a teenager who doesn't say dumb things.
Not excusing the use of the N word, but I sense the outrage is selective on the part of the teachers.
high school students shouldn't be expected to understand the real world, first of all.
but, yes, there is no coming back from the "N" word.
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My daughter's high school went to state in Football. I don't have the official story, just heresay at this point. Turns out their star player dropped the N word in reference to Obama a few weeks ago. He was suspended and kicked off the football team so he couldn't play in the State playoffs. Yeah, the kid messed up and said something stupid, show me a teenager who doesn't say dumb things.
Not excusing the use of the N word, but I sense the outrage is selective on the part of the teachers.
In a year he will be put against the wall and shot for defiling the Fuhrer!!! :mo:
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I am getting a bit weary of the equation of the president elect to hitler.
he isn't hitler.
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I am getting a bit weary of the equation of the president elect to hitler.
he isn't hitler.
Not yet anyway....
Can you say Civil Defense Corps???
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Not yet anyway....
Can you say Civil Defense Corps???
it hasn't happened yet.
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it hasn't happened yet.
And it very well may not...
But the very mention of it SHOULD raise suspicion especially when we already have a National Guard.
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And it very well may not...
But the very mention of it SHOULD raise suspicion especially when we already have a National Guard.
the differences between the libertarians and the conservatives will, I admit, diminish.
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I personally don't see the N word as all that offensive. It is certainly no more offensive than some words I can think of.
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I am getting a bit weary of the equation of the president elect to hitler.
he isn't hitler.
Fuhrer is "leader" in German. The president elect is the leader........................
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I am getting a bit weary of the equation of the president elect to hitler.
he isn't hitler.
I agree, it is extremist. We roll our eyes at the "rounding up the gays and executing them" comments the DU makes against the Republicans. While I am gravely concerned about the socialist and isolationist policies the new Administration will attempt to exact on our Nation, he is not Hitler.
I have had a hard time distinguishing between Liberals and Libertarians as of late......
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I agree, it is extremist. We roll our eyes at the "rounding up the gays and executing them" comments the DU makes against the Republicans. While I am gravely concerned about the socialist and isolationist policies the new Administration will attempt to exact on our Nation, he is not Hitler.
I have had a hard time distinguishing between Liberals and Libertarians as of late......
THAT is going to piss some people off. :-)
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I am getting a bit weary of the equation of the president elect to hitler.
he isn't hitler.
I agree, it's totally over the top and seriously detracts from the credibility of those repeating it. Even the Civilian Defense Corps/Public Service stuff, to the small extent it isn't just vague blather, has been entirely harmless crap like beefing up volunteer programs like VISTA, Peace Corps, and so forth.
It's kind of a Little Boy Who Cried Wolf situation right now, so many people are yelling "Hitler" over nothing that if he did actually try some extra-Constitutional power play (And I don't think he will, he can screw up the country just fine without going that far), it'd be impossible to ratchet up the alarm.
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I agree, it's totally over the top and seriously detracts from the credibility of those repeating it. Even the Civilian Defense Corps/Public Service stuff, to the small extent it isn't just vague blather, has been entirely harmless crap like beefing up volunteer programs like VISTA, Peace Corps, and so forth.
It's kind of a Little Boy Who Cried Wolf situation right now, so many people are yelling "Hitler" over nothing that if he did actually try some extra-Constitutional power play (And I don't think he will, he can screw up the country just fine without going that far), it'd be impossible to ratchet up the alarm.
I agree. As also a member at DU, I find that when people use these silly names and call Bush = Hilter it ruins the whole arguement that the said poster has. I find that it's silly and stupid to use these "nicknames" and I've never done it myself. If someone has to resort to name calling it means they cannot back up their arguement, at least to me it does.
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I agree, it's totally over the top and seriously detracts from the credibility of those repeating it. Even the Civilian Defense Corps/Public Service stuff, to the small extent it isn't just vague blather, has been entirely harmless crap like beefing up volunteer programs like VISTA, Peace Corps, and so forth.
It's kind of a Little Boy Who Cried Wolf situation right now, so many people are yelling "Hitler" over nothing that if he did actually try some extra-Constitutional power play (And I don't think he will, he can screw up the country just fine without going that far), it'd be impossible to ratchet up the alarm.
I have twice posted about Hilter and Obama but I have specifically said I wasn't calling Obama Hitler. What I was referring to rather was the crowds response to Hitler and Obama. Their faith in both men to cure all that is wrong in their world is eerily similar. These people (No I'm not talking about people like you MIA :p ) think Obama will do the impossible and fix everything that is wrong in their lives so they will allow him to make any mistake, no matter how huge, that no other president would ever get away with.
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I agree. As also a member at DU, I find that when people use these silly names and call Bush = Hilter it ruins the whole arguement that the said poster has. I find that it's silly and stupid to use these "nicknames" and I've never done it myself. If someone has to resort to name calling it means they cannot back up their arguement, at least to me it does.
Ok...First of all I dont think he is Hitler either,
but to date no one can tell me who Obama is, what he stands for or why they voted for him, I have followed him with great interest and have come to the conclusion he is an empty suit with a pretty mouth. He has not a bit of substance as far as I can see which is why his retoric to me is so dangerous. He grew up in a third world country with 3rd world ideas...He has no leadership experience, and is suspected of maintaining relationships with people of questionable character... hardly the resume for the leader of the greatest industrialized nation in the world, And people follow him like he is the..for lack of a better term a prophet. I only use the term Hitler to remind people that history has heard this rhetoric before. as far as Franken is concerned?....DAMN.....he is an idiot, I have listened to the man.
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Maybe it's because I've read for years on DU how Bush = Hitler/fascist/Nazi that I've become tired of the whole thing.
Sure, Hilter had huge crowds of supporters and was a great orator. Obama has huge crowds of supporters and is a great orator. Got it. I have a hard time taking anyone seriously when they call Bush "Hitler" or Obama "Fuhrer".
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Maybe it's because I've read for years on DU how Bush = Hitler/fascist/Nazi that I've become tired of the whole thing.
Sure, Hilter had huge crowds of supporters and was a great orator. Obama has huge crowds of supporters and is a great orator. Got it.
It's more of their reaction to Obama Mia, they worship him. The blind admiration of a man that I don't think any of them could honestly say they really know is kind of scary. One of the points I made in one thread was that Hitler wanted to speak to huge crowds because people get caught up in the moment and "feel" what is being said instead of "thinking" about it. The speeches Obama has given to the huge adoring crowds give you no substance but you sure come away "feeling" Hope and Change.
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I think the issue is really about the right and responsibility to question our leaders. Obviously Hitler is at the extreme end and it is only a matter of Godwin's law that he will be mentioned at some point in a thread. :-)
The people at DU didn't trust Bush's motives and couldn't understand how the majority of the nation seemingly followed him without question. Conservatives don't feel like they really know Obama or his motives and don't understand how the people are willing to follow him and ask no questions.
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I think the issue is really about the right and responsibility to question our leaders. Obviously Hitler is at the extreme end and it is only a matter of Godwin's law that he will be mentioned at some point in a thread. :-)
The people at DU didn't trust Bush's motives and couldn't understand how the majority of the nation seemingly followed him without question. Conservatives don't feel like they really know Obama or his motives and don't understand how the people are willing to follow him and ask no questions.
Interesting point Schade.
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It's more of their reaction to Obama Mia, they worship him. The blind admiration of a man that I don't think any of them could honestly say they really know is kind of scary. One of the points I made in one thread was that Hitler wanted to speak to huge crowds because people get caught up in the moment and "feel" what is being said instead of "thinking" about it. The speeches Obama has given to the huge adoring crowds give you no substance but you sure come away "feeling" Hope and Change.
I understand what you are saying BEG.
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I think the issue is really about the right and responsibility to question our leaders. Obviously Hitler is at the extreme end and it is only a matter of Godwin's law that he will be mentioned at some point in a thread. :-)
The people at DU didn't trust Bush's motives and couldn't understand how the majority of the nation seemingly followed him without question. Conservatives don't feel like they really know Obama or his motives and don't understand how the people are willing to follow him and ask no questions.
You are so brilliant......I haven't told you that since yesterday.
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Maybe it's because I've read for years on DU how Bush = Hitler/fascist/Nazi that I've become tired of the whole thing.
Sure, Hilter had huge crowds of supporters and was a great orator. Obama has huge crowds of supporters and is a great orator. Got it. I have a hard time taking anyone seriously when they call Bush "Hitler" or Obama "Fuhrer".
I don't drink from the radical fountain and I don't think for a moment this country will become a remake of 1938 Germany, but you gotta admit some things are hell and gone from society built on the ideas of freedom and democracy...
How about the number of people who have been publicly ridiculed and chastised by his followers for speaking out against his ideas, 1 is too many.
How about the medias lack of scrutiny of his past.
How about his idea that the Constitution is fundamental flawed.(maybe not so Hitler like but still).
This whole Civil Defense corps thing did it for me. Why is this an issue so soon after the election when we have a National Guard that does the exact same thing?
Reagan was a great speaker and had a huge number followers but he had rock solid ideas and was FUNDAMENTALY for the American way of life...can the same be said of Obama and most importantly his followers?
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You are so brilliant......I haven't told you that since yesterday.
I think what we spoke about yesterday was exceptionalism and excellence. Oh yes, perfection too. :lmao:
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Interesting point Schade.
Of course it is Mia. It's the best I could come up with at this early in the morning. :-)
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It's more of their reaction to Obama Mia, they worship him. The blind admiration of a man that I don't think any of them could honestly say they really know is kind of scary. One of the points I made in one thread was that Hitler wanted to speak to huge crowds because people get caught up in the moment and "feel" what is being said instead of "thinking" about it. The speeches Obama has given to the huge adoring crowds give you no substance but you sure come away "feeling" Hope and Change.
Yes...I remember seeing many people stumble from the crowd with wide eyes mumbling "hope"...."change".... :lmao:
Seriously though the whole rockstar image with girls and women fainting and chris mathews getting tingly feelings in his legs IS kinda creepy....
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I agree, it is extremist. We roll our eyes at the "rounding up the gays and executing them" comments the DU makes against the Republicans. While I am gravely concerned about the socialist and isolationist policies the new Administration will attempt to exact on our Nation, he is not Hitler.
I have had a hard time distinguishing between Liberals and Libertarians as of late......
THAT is going to piss some people off. :-)
Yeah, it is ......... :censored:
I lean more towards the Libertarian side than the GOP.
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Yeah, it is ......... :censored:
I lean more towards the Libertarian side than the GOP.
I think that libertarians are philosophically deranged. :uhsure: :-)
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I think that libertarians are philosophically deranged. :uhsure: :-)
What you talking about, Willis ?!?!?!?
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What you talking about, Willis ?!?!?!?
absolute liberty isn't attainable. not in the real world.
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First of all all, Obama has a huge following, but he has no real clear plans yet, but is viewed as a messiah for change. Okay, maybe a few and he is not President yet. And no, I don't think he is Hitler, but he does have a demoagogic tendency though. One thing to point out is that Hitler was seen as a messiah who would help Germany, which was Weimar Republic at the time, and he had good intentions.
Godwin's Law in action. Godwin's Law does also apply to Stalin, Mao, and Bin Laden/September 11 Terrorsts. Also, I've the seen name Hitler thrown around in non-political instances, like calling the Florida school teacher Wendy Porillo, "Mrs. Hitler", "Mini Hitler", or "worse than Hitler". Or lumping Lori Drew with Hitler, Stalin, and 9/11 Terrorists.
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First of all all, Obama has a huge following, but he has no real clear plans yet, but is viewed as a messiah for change. Okay, maybe a few and he is not President yet. And no, I don't think he is Hitler, but he does have a demoagogic tendency though. One thing to point out is that Hitler was seen as a messiah who would help Germany, which was Weimar Republic at the time, and he had good intentions.
Godwin's Law in action. Godwin's Law does also apply to Stalin, Mao, and Bin Laden/September 11 Terrorsts. Also, I've the seen name Hitler thrown around in non-political instances, like calling the Florida school teacher Wendy Porillo, "Mrs. Hitler", "Mini Hitler", or "worse than Hitler". Or lumping Lori Drew with Hitler, Stalin, and 9/11 Terrorists.
I believe with ever fiber of my soul that der neuen fuhrer has plans that would make the 1938 version blush. He will run his regime as he ran his campaign. Opposition will NOT be brooked. He will assist Israel's enemies in removing it from the face of the planet.
He will be das fuhrer to me until his hopefully very short regime exists. Godwin's Law be damned.
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I believe with ever fiber of my soul that der neuen fuhrer has plans that would make the 1938 version blush. He will run his regime as he ran his campaign. Opposition will NOT be brooked. He will assist Israel's enemies in removing it from the face of the planet.
He will be das fuhrer to me until his hopefully very short regime exists. Godwin's Law be damned.
I know what you mean. I predict Obama will be a one termer. Tell the truth, I think we will have a string of one term Presidents.
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I know what you mean. I predict Obama will be a one termer. Tell the truth, I think we will have a string of one term Presidents.
Our country as it stands today seems, with a few exceptions, to be void of true leadership...I long for the day when the D.C swamp is drained...
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My newest law for governing my own behavior is this... If it isn't considered to be a no no in The Bible or The Constitution I will do/say whatever I please.
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My newest law for governing my own behavior is this... If it isn't considered to be a no no in The Bible or The Constitution I will do/say whatever I please.
The fuhrer will put a stop to that.
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The fuhrer will put a stop to that.
Obama can kiss my politically incorrect redneck ass.
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Obama can kiss my politically incorrect redneck ass.
Watch that kind of language starting February -- his Domestic Corps will be watching.
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Let them come.
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Even the Civilian Defense Corps/Public Service stuff, to the small extent it isn't just vague blather, has been entirely harmless crap like beefing up volunteer programs like VISTA, Peace Corps, and so forth.
Perhaps you should read his comments a little more closely:
Obama's comments about a national security force came during a speech in Colorado about building a new civil service corps. Among other things, he called for expanding the nation's foreign service and doubling the size of the Peace Corps "to renew our diplomacy."
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iRxZox4GFoIweckPDP1oRhKBlHOwD94CCDU00
That is NOT anything close to beefing up the Peace Corps. And it hints that what he is wanting to do is NOT harmless.
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Perhaps you should read his comments a little more closely:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iRxZox4GFoIweckPDP1oRhKBlHOwD94CCDU00
That is NOT anything close to beefing up the Peace Corps. And it hints that what he is wanting to do is NOT harmless.
The National Security Force Has a nice Gestapo ring to it doesn't it..... :fuelfire:
All domestic opposition to the Obama admin.will be controlled by the NSF
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The National Security Force Has a nice Gestapo ring to it doesn't it..... :fuelfire:
All domestic opposition to the Obama admin.will be controlled by the NSF
I hope the folks that reside in the 5 sided palace are taking note of these comments.
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I hope the folks that reside in the 5 sided palace are taking note of these comments.
well...I have noticed a few ominous clicks amd hums on my cell phone recently.(post election) :uhsure:
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The National Security Force Has a nice Gestapo ring to it doesn't it..... :fuelfire:
All domestic opposition to the Obama admin.will be controlled by the NSF
Speaking of NSF, there was a terrorist group called NSF in Deus Ex.
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Perhaps you should read his comments a little more closely:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iRxZox4GFoIweckPDP1oRhKBlHOwD94CCDU00
That is NOT anything close to beefing up the Peace Corps. And it hints that what he is wanting to do is NOT harmless.
Thus my sig.
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well...I have noticed a few ominous clicks amd hums on my cell phone recently.(post election) :uhsure:
No what I meant was that I hope that they notice that Obama is planning on circumventing them.
Red flags should be going up from The Pentagon to Foggy Bottom.
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Perhaps you should read his comments a little more closely:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iRxZox4GFoIweckPDP1oRhKBlHOwD94CCDU00
That is NOT anything close to beefing up the Peace Corps. And it hints that what he is wanting to do is NOT harmless.
I still think you're freaking out. In addition to talking about the Peace Corps and other volunteer organizations, that's in the context of talking about civil service, you know, like LEOs? The Foreign Service is technically something distinct, but for all intents and purposes still appropriated fund government employees, and it's entirely consistent with the (somewhat stupid) idea of treating a lot more of the terrorism threat as a law enforcement and diplomacy issue rather than as a military one. Your panicking is premature, and about as silly as the DUers constantly slapping the panic button over 'Marshall Law' because of the current Administration's predilection for pursuing military options.
A true totalitarian move that WOULD set off alarm bells would be if he instituted some kind of paramilitary or parapolice force that answered to his party, and not to the machinery of government.
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I still think you're freaking out. In addition to talking about the Peace Corps and other volunteer organizations, that's in the context of talking about civil service, you know, like LEOs? The Foreign Service is technically something distinct, but for all intents and purposes still appropriated fund government employees, and it's entirely consistent with the (somewhat stupid) idea of treating a lot more of the terrorism threat as a law enforcement and diplomacy issue rather than as a military one. Your panicking is premature, and about as silly as the DUers constantly slapping the panic button over 'Marshall Law' because of the current Administration's predilection for pursuing military options.
A true totalitarian move that WOULD set off alarm bells would be if he instituted some kind of paramilitary or parapolice force that answered to his party, and not to the machinery of government.
The thing is...he didn't mention in the remarks that I saw anything about what you said above.
He distinctly said "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
If he was talking about the civilian LEO's that we have in place he'd have said that they needed to be beefed up.
But he didn't.
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The thing is...he didn't mention in the remarks that I saw anything about what you said above.
He distinctly said "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
If he was talking about the civilian LEO's that we have in place he'd have said that they needed to be beefed up.
But he didn't.
The preface to the part you quoted, which you quoted in full earlier:
Obama's comments about a national security force came during a speech in Colorado about building a new civil service corps. Among other things, he called for expanding the nation's foreign service and doubling the size of the Peace Corps "to renew our diplomacy."
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
Maybe he meant something besides what it sounds like, but to me civil service means direct instruments of the government, including DMV clerks, LEOs, firemen, and all the other bureaucrats and serviceworkers that keep shit going, lovable or not. Civic service would be something different and implies individual willing action rather than serving as instruments of an organized government effort, but that isn't what he said. I'm willing to wait until he actually proposes something specific that crosses the line before I slap the shiny red button.
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Believe it or not DAT I'm hoping you're right and I'm wrong.
Maybe I'm just too close to the nuttiness up here in D.C.
But something about this guy has me more worried than when Clinton was in the WH.
Just a gut feeling I guess.
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I am getting a bit weary of the equation of the president elect to hitler.
he isn't hitler.
In the absence of reliable intelligence on Der Fuhrer's CAPABILITIES, I have to operate on the assumption that he's capable of following through on his STATED INTENTIONS.
He (Obama) may not be Hitler, but Hitler was not the originator of most of the operational methods and tactics he employed - and that we "enlightened" 21st century New Men look down upon with such disdain. Hitler was merely following in the dictatorial footsteps of the American President cum dictator that went before him - WOODROW WILSON.
Is it acceptable then to refer to Dear Leader as "the next Wilson"?
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Believe it or not DAT I'm hoping you're right and I'm wrong.
Hey, we've both got the best interests of the Nation at heart, man, I got no problem with that.
:cheersmate:
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Hey, we've both got the best interests of the Nation at heart, man, I got no problem with that.
:cheersmate:
I am waiting for Obama to actually provide some details to his plans.
The election is over and sound bites will no longer cut it.