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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: ReardenSteel on November 12, 2008, 08:21:50 PM
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IRAQ (http://missoulian.com/articles/2008/07/05/news/local/news03.txt) (end the war)
Obama's first priority: End the war
By TRISTAN SCOTT of the Missoulian
BUTTE - For his first task as president, Barack Obama said Friday he'll call in the nation's top military officials and "tell them we have a new mission" - end the war in Iraq.
ABORTION (http://www.lifenews.com/nat4438.html)
The bill, known as the Freedom of Choice Act, is one Obama told Planned Parenthood in July 2007 he would not just sign but make his first piece of legislation.
"What would you do as President," the ad asks viewers. "Fix the economy? End the war? Restore our schools?"
The ad moves to the Planned Parenthood speech and features footage of Obama saying, "Well the first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0__ctD48nfQ
ECONOMY (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-transition8-2008nov08,0,7894486.story) (stimulus plan)
Reporting from Chicago -- Sending a strong message that the faltering economy will be his top focus, President-elect Barack Obama on Friday urged Congress to pass an economic stimulus package before he takes office. If lawmakers fail to act, he said, he will make it "the first thing" he gets done.
ENERGY POLICY (http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2008/11/05/obama-nation-what-will-it-be-able-to-do-on-energy/) (energy/economy?)
So President Obama arrives with a healthy popular- and electoral-vote mandate, a strengthened—if not fillibuster-proof–Congressional delegation, and big ideas. What will that mean for energy policy? Maybe less than many Obama supporters hope.
Barack Obama said repeatedly that establishing a new energy policy will be his administration’s first priority—once the economic mess is cleaned up. Or maybe his energy plans are a way to help jumpstart the economy now.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
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The messiah, (pbuh), will bring a whole new meaning to the phrase; Multi-tasking.
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He'll get close to none of it accomplished, and to what he does get accomplished -- thanks so much to the halfwit "real" conservatives who voted for Barr or stayed home. The next four years you own. :bigbird:
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When I saw the title, I just figured the right answer was "Obama."
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....and meanwhile, in the real world, what he was actually saying was, "My first piority is to get elected. Then my second piority will be to flush America down the drain as fast as possible...........in a low flush toilet of course."
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He'll get close to none of it accomplished, and to what he does get accomplished -- thanks so much to the halfwit "real" conservatives who voted for Barr or stayed home. The next four years you own. :bigbird:
I'm curious, why don't you blame the one person who this defeat rests solely upon?
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He'll get close to none of it accomplished, and to what he does get accomplished -- thanks so much to the halfwit "real" conservatives who voted for Barr or stayed home. The next four years you own. :bigbird:
Sorry lurker. I'm not playing this game of pass the buck. In another forum I posted that this election is just another reinforcement of what happens when the GOP runs a RINO on it's ticket. Run a RINO, get a Democrat in the Oval Office.
It happened in 1992, when the RINO George H.W. Bush couldn't mask any longer that he WASN'T a reaganesque conservative. It happened again in 1996.
The only reason it DIDN'T happen in 2000 and 2004 is that we had a RINO who was effective at campaigning as a conservative, and making the opposition party believe he was a conservative. He still governed directly from the RINO playbook, and when the masks came off, we got the 2006 Mid-terms.
In 2008, the RINOs worked in concert with the propaganda media to get another RINO into office; the media cooperated, because THEY know, when you run a RINO, you elect a Democrat. So the media busted their asses with the RINOs to get a RINO candidate shoved down our throat, and then - surprise, surprise - when the RINO was the heir apparent, they "turned" on him (they didn't turn on him, they were just free to resume supporting the two Marxists, once their damage to the Republican primaries was done).
RINO candidates who run as RINOs don't get elected for one simple reason: The "moderates and undecideds" in America predominately lean LEFT (no matter how much they protest this fact, the truth is there for all to see). Why on earth would they favor the Socialist Lite, when they can have the full fledged, card-carrying Marxist for the same vote? It is only when a conservative candidate runs as a conservative that we're able to attract the "Reagan" Democrats, because only then do we give those die-hard conservative Democrats, alienated in THEIR own party, a valid reason to cross over.
The Republican Party, if it is to survive as a viable party in opposition to the Marxists and Communists and Socialists that march in lockstep under the Democrat Party banner, needs to phase these RINOs back the hell out of the "big (****ing) tent". Remove them from any and all committee assignments. Refuse to pump any more good money after bad RINO election campaigns. Re-institute consequences such as these for "bad behavior" by party politicians who do not vote up to the principles the rank-and-file Republicans out here in fly-over country have been demanding they stand for, for GENERATIONS. Select real LEADERS for the party leadership positions, instead of MANAGERS, and then let the RINO wing of the Republican Party whither on the vine.
Uncle Ted Speaks Out (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29458)
I can think of a place or two I'd like to stick that :bigbird: of yours.
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:whatever:
Riiight. Cause it's the far right that will win elections -- the moderates will just race over to vote for them.
Fact: Obama would have lost if the "real" conservatives voted for the guy with the "R" after his name (and actually showed up to vote). He is your president. Enjoy him.
I explained in another thread how GWB was elected -- he ran on his record as Governor (fiscal moderate), and he was a social conservative. Billy-Jeff was lacking in the family values department, and the country was looking for a change in that regard. He won in 2004 because of national defense issues. That was the reality at that time. I don't need Ted Nugent to tell me what happened (well, his version of what happened) as I lived it.
GHWB lost because of Ross Perot and the dimwits that decided to vote against the party. I would laugh my ass off at the "serves you right" bullshit of the delusional extreme right (who are the real RINOs as they are destroying the party), but we have a radical socialist as president now due to their lack of grasp on reality so there isn't much to laugh at.
You don't give up control of Congress and the White House to effect change. With majority control -- you know the filibuster proof kind? you are in a position to push through a conservative agenda. You know kind of like what the Democrats have done? filled their campaign rhetoric with centrist views and positions, only to legislate from the far left when they have control. They are laughing their asses off at you, and the rest of the RINOs cause y'all have made it too damn easy for them. :)
You won't learn a damn from this either.
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Tell it to the hand, Lurker.
Sorry, I "did my part"; I voted for the RINO this election. I voted for the RINOs in 1992 and 1996. Guess what; the rest of America wasn't "excited and invigorated" to choose the Democrat Lite. We got the Democrat.
In 2000 and 2004 I voted for the RINO in the hopes that his conservative rhetoric was more than more political bullshit. Guess what I got: I got Vast Teddy's NCLB forced down my throat; I got Medicare prescription drugs buying Viagra for grampa; I damned near got railroaded with amnesty for damned near 20 million illegal aliens; I got stonewalling, grandstanding and goldbricking when it came to securing my country's border; I got $5 Trillion - and counting - of additional debt laid on the back of my son and his children, just in "bail outs" for corrupt and incompetent corporations that "were too big to fail". I got a limp-dick attempt to forestall the bankruptsy of my country by privatizing the Socialist Security Ponzi scheme for those of us who will NEVER SEE A DIME OF SOCIALIST SECURITY TAXES RETURNED TO THEM!!!!!
I challenge anyone to name for me one time when we CONSERVATIVES who are constantly asked to swallow our principles and keep backing these RINO retards "because they're the most electable", recieved the 30 pieces of silver we were promised in quid pro quo for these turds.
The last LANDSLIDE election outcome went to the same guy that RINOs these days have been tripping over themselves to see to it that his CONSERVATIVE principles stayed buried with him - with that ****nuts McLame at the front of the Parade with the homecoming queen. Fact is, House Races, Senate Races, Presidential Races, Governor's Races; time and time again, the Republicans that win strongest are the ones that offer a clear, consistent set of CONSERVATIVE principles to distinguish themselves from the Marxists on the other side. Being a "me too", "reach-across-the-aisle" Republican didn't work in the 1934 mid-terms under America's 2nd Marxist dictator (FDR), and it doesn't inpress people now.
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The messiah, (pbuh), will bring a whole new meaning to the phrase; Multi-tasking.
I was thinking more of failure.
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HAHAHAHA -- GWB couldn't even get an "amnesty" bill passed because the Democrats thought it was too harsh, and you think you are going to get something stronger passed?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. :rotf:
You sit back and whine, moan and groan about the party like a bunch of la-la-libertarians, and watch SCOTUS add two radical lefists to its rank while our country jumps on a freight train to communism.
Yeah, that will teach them!!!
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December 04, 2006
Remember that "lesson" stay-at-home Republicans taught us all?
AP:
Unable to win Senate confirmation, U.N. Ambassador John Bolton will step down when his temporary appointment expires within weeks, the White House said Monday.
http://www.alarmingnews.com/archives/005449.html
Speaker Elect Pelosi and Senate Leader Elect Reid are two of the most anti-American socialist members of congress - now in control of congress. They can thank Republican voters for their new found power, but they won’t. They will jam it up their bumm instead…
Five of nine registered voters are registered Republican, making it a numerical impossibility for socialist Democrats to win power in this country without the help of Republican voters. They had been threatening to stay home for months leading up to the 2006 mid-term election. It was not an idle threat! According to early numbers, the nation-wide voter turnout was only 40% of registered voters. This morning, we know which 40%. Iraqi’s did better braving a gauntlet of gunfire to hoof it to the polls… Republican must be ashamed!
As my good friend and favorite conservative Paul Weyrich points out, “Some at the grassroots level have argued that we should send the Republicans a message of disapproval by voting for Democrats. Interesting. That would be like a mother who has an unruly child spanking herself to improve the child.†(It turns out - all they had to do was stay home and do nothing.)
Finally, Republican voters have adopted the emotion driven logic of the left and shot themselves in the foot (or maybe the head), just as Democrats did in the 90’s. They removed themselves from power in a fit of rage against a Republican congress that was not conservative enough and replaced them with socialist Democrats that are not conservative at all, or even American. Brilliant! This move qualifies them as “enlightenedâ€â€¦ just like their leftist counterparts. Though I would call it “mentally touchedâ€â€¦
http://www.jb-williams.com/11-08-06.htm
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HAHAHAHA -- GWB couldn't even get an "amnesty" bill passed because the Democrats thought it was too harsh, and you think you are going to get something stronger passed?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. :rotf:
You sit back and whine, moan and groan about the party like a bunch of la-la-libertarians, and watch SCOTUS add two radical lefists to its rank while our country jumps on a freight train to communism.
Yeah, that will teach them!!!
So, am I to infer that you are still blaming the voters instead of the candidate?
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So, am I to infer that you are still blaming the voters instead of the candidate?
In a roundabout way it is the voters fault. Those with the attitude McCain just not conservative enough so I'm going to set this one out" enabled the candidate not conservative at all to get elected. Rember you keep going for the all or nothing win and thats exactly what you will get is Nothing.
Let's say for the sake of argument McCain is not conservative enough. Is he more or less conservative than Obama ? Now McCain did not win the election,who does that leave winning it ?
What y'all all or nothing purist got was something worse than what you claim you did not want. really smart move wasn't it?
The election was lost to the "Cult of personality" and it didn't help matters any the gun nutters & immigration folks throwing hissy fits. Ya suppose either of their situations will get better or more to their liking under an Obama Administration ?
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So, am I to infer that you are still blaming the voters instead of the candidate?
Candidate that our party nominated -- which is always conveniently forgotten.
Our political system was not invented yesterday. Party loyalty has been paramount to its survival since the day our country was founded.
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Let's say for the sake of argument McCain is not conservative enough. Is he more or less conservative than Obama ? Now McCain did not win the election,who does that leave winning it ?
This is a straw argument, Ligntning God. President Bush was supposedly "more conservative" than AlGore and sKerry. So what? I'll repeat again my clallenge: show me the quid pro quo that conservatives that did vote for this asshat got in return for swallowing their principles and pulling the (R) lever.
Bush gave us the largest expansion of Medicare bureaucracy into the health care industry since it's creation by Comrade Johnson.
Bush had to have 82% of the country rise up on the verge of riots, in order to back his ass off illegal alien amnesty. Bush has been compliscit with the lard asses in Congress in stonwalling any kind of effective border control.
Bush did the one thing not even Clinton would do, in backing an "Education Reform" bill Vast Teddy couldn't get support for even when the Congress was fully in DemonCrap control and the White House was Bubba's residence of record.
Bush had to be backed down by the people once again when he tried to float the linguini-spined RINO moderate, Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court. (His Lordship, Sen. Juan McLame is still on record saying that Justice Alito was "too conservative" for him, so what does that say about the quality of Justices HE would have nominated from center seat?)
Bush is responsible for pushing through $5 Trillion in bailouts, "loans", and federalizations of incompetently managed corporations because, "they're too big to fail", over the vociferous objections of the people. What principle of conservative, free-market capitalism was he exhibiting again with this?
So what are conservatives supposed to do? Continue to hope against all evidence that there's a pony somewhere under all that horseshit?
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In a roundabout way it is the voters fault. Those with the attitude McCain just not conservative enough so I'm going to set this one out" enabled the candidate not conservative at all to get elected. Rember you keep going for the all or nothing win and thats exactly what you will get is Nothing.
Let's say for the sake of argument McCain is not conservative enough. Is he more or less conservative than Obama ? Now McCain did not win the election,who does that leave winning it ?
What y'all all or nothing purist got was something worse than what you claim you did not want. really smart move wasn't it?
The election was lost to the "Cult of personality" and it didn't help matters any the gun nutters & immigration folks throwing hissy fits. Ya suppose either of their situations will get better or more to their liking under an Obama Administration ?
Excellent post. H5.
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Candidate that our party nominated -- which is always conveniently forgotten.
Our political system was not invented yesterday. Party loyalty has been paramount to its survival since the day our country was founded.
Unless it's a RINO "reaching across the aisle" to stab conservative principle in the back - AGAIN...
BTW, BULLSHIT lurker. Parties, and enforcement of "party loyalty" didn't start to take hold in politics until about the time of Andrew Jackson's administration, and there WASN'T a Republican party to be loyal to until the mid 1850s.
PUMA.
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This is a straw argument, Ligntning God. President Bush was supposedly "more conservative" than AlGore and sKerry. So what? I'll repeat again my clallenge: show me the quid pro quo that conservatives that did vote for this asshat got in return for swallowing their principles and pulling the (R) lever.
Bush gave us the largest expansion of Medicare bureaucracy into the health care industry since it's creation by Comrade Johnson.
Bush had to have 82% of the country rise up on the verge of riots, in order to back his ass off illegal alien amnesty. Bush has been compliscit with the lard asses in Congress in stonwalling any kind of effective border control.
Bush did the one thing not even Clinton would do, in backing an "Education Reform" bill Vast Teddy couldn't get support for even when the Congress was fully in DemonCrap control and the White House was Bubba's residence of record.
Bush had to be backed down by the people once again when he tried to float the linguini-spined RINO moderate, Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court. (His Lordship, Sen. Juan McLame is still on record saying that Justice Alito was "too conservative" for him, so what does that say about the quality of Justices HE would have nominated from center seat?)
Bush is responsible for pushing through $5 Trillion in bailouts, "loans", and federalizations of incompetently managed corporations because, "they're too big to fail", over the vociferous objections of the people. What principle of conservative, free-market capitalism was he exhibiting again with this?
So what are conservatives supposed to do? Continue to hope against all evidence that there's a pony somewhere under all that horseshit?
Not a straw argument at all.some folks didn't get the hard core conservative or at least conservative enough candidate they wanted wanted so they choose to sit it out further enabling a far left candidate to win. Ya think the left is going to give you a pony ?
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This is a straw argument, Ligntning God. President Bush was supposedly "more conservative" than AlGore and sKerry. So what? I'll repeat again my clallenge: show me the quid pro quo that conservatives that did vote for this asshat got in return for swallowing their principles and pulling the (R) lever.
Bush gave us the largest expansion of Medicare bureaucracy into the health care industry since it's creation by Comrade Johnson.
Bush had to have 82% of the country rise up on the verge of riots, in order to back his ass off illegal alien amnesty. Bush has been compliscit with the lard asses in Congress in stonwalling any kind of effective border control.
Bush did the one thing not even Clinton would do, in backing an "Education Reform" bill Vast Teddy couldn't get support for even when the Congress was fully in DemonCrap control and the White House was Bubba's residence of record.
Bush had to be backed down by the people once again when he tried to float the linguini-spined RINO moderate, Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court. (His Lordship, Sen. Juan McLame is still on record saying that Justice Alito was "too conservative" for him, so what does that say about the quality of Justices HE would have nominated from center seat?)
Bush is responsible for pushing through $5 Trillion in bailouts, "loans", and federalizations of incompetently managed corporations because, "they're too big to fail", over the vociferous objections of the people. What principle of conservative, free-market capitalism was he exhibiting again with this?
So what are conservatives supposed to do? Continue to hope against all evidence that there's a pony somewhere under all that horseshit?
Clinton brought the WoT to our shores, but yeah we would be so much safer with Gore as president. Think of all the money we would have saved on deployments. Much better to fight the good fight here.
Economy collapsing -- definitely would have never happened if Gore and Kerry were in office. Who the hell needed those tax cuts anyway?
Gee, I wonder who Gore would have appointed to SCOTUS -- yeah they would have been so much more conservative than GWB's appointments.
The borders would be sealed up nice and tight. Sanctions would have been lifted off of Iraq and come on -- that's all Saddam really wanted right? Imperialist neocons White House properly averted. Hell, Saddam would have been the media darling of Hollywood. North Korea? Dear Leader would be a frequent guest of the White House.
John Kerry speaks French -- what's not to love about that? The world would buy us a coke if he was president.
It would be love, love, love -- just like it is all going to be under the Messiah. Thanks sooooo much for setting the party straight.
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Not a straw argument at all.some folks didn't get the hard core conservative or at least conservative enough candidate they wanted wanted so they choose to sit it out further enabling a far left candidate to win. Ya think the left is going to give you a pony ?
And how long is that straw argument supposed to justify the guilt tripping of conservatives into bending over - again - and pulling the lever for ANOTHER RINO? When does enough become enough?
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Clinton brought the WoT to our shores, but yeah we would be so much safer with Gore as president. Think of all the money we would have saved on deployments. Much better to fight the good fight here.
Economy collapsing -- definitely would have never happened if Gore and Kerry were in office. Who the hell needed those tax cuts anyway?
Gee, I wonder who Gore would have appointed to SCOTUS -- yeah they would have been so much more conservative than GWB's appointments.
The borders would be sealed up nice and tight. Sanctions would have been lifted off of Iraq and come on -- that's all Saddam really wanted right? Imperialist neocons White House properly averted. Hell, Saddam would have been the media darling of Hollywood. North Korea? Dear Leader would be a frequent guest of the White House.
John Kerry speaks French -- what's not to love about that? The world would buy us a coke if he was president.
It would be love, love, love -- just like it is all going to be under the Messiah. Thanks sooooo much for setting the party straight.
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At least Kerry and Gore have the advantage of being the enemy we KNOW.
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Not a straw argument at all.some folks didn't get the hard core conservative or at least conservative enough candidate they wanted wanted so they choose to sit it out further enabling a far left candidate to win. Ya think the left is going to give you a pony ?
Who needs the DU when the "real" conservatives are your biggest supporters by default?
Who loves ya babe?
(http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/pelosi5.jpg)
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At least Kerry and Gore have the advantage of being the enemy we KNOW.
(http://www.health-in-action.org/library/pdf/Shaken%20Baby/Images/Waa%20cry%20baby2.jpg)
Mommy make the monsters go away....
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And how long is that straw argument supposed to justify the guilt tripping of conservatives into bending over - again - and pulling the lever for ANOTHER RINO? When does enough become enough?
Well thats a primary fight. When it comes to the general if your choice is a Rino or a lefty who you going pick ?
Seriously you are expecting political purit and it does not exist. The bending over is being done by the folks throwing a hissy fit grabbing their ball and going home.
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I was thinking more of multi-failure.
fixed it for you.... :-)
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Candidate that our party nominated -- which is always conveniently forgotten.
Our political system was not invented yesterday. Party loyalty has been paramount to its survival since the day our country was founded.
It's not our party. I'm not beholden to any damn party. I have never belonged to a political party and I never will. I believe that actions and ideas are a hell of a lot more important than a party affiliation
If we want to place blame.................why not start with the 35+% of voters who didn't vote
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Unless it's a RINO "reaching across the aisle" to stab conservative principle in the back - AGAIN...
BTW, BULLSHIT lurker. Parties, and enforcement of "party loyalty" didn't start to take hold in politics until about the time of Andrew Jackson's administration, and there WASN'T a Republican party to be loyal to until the mid 1850s.
PUMA.
Didn't see this peviously.
Jefferson thumbed his nose at Adams' pleas to intervene with the French for the sole purpose of making Adams' party look bad, and in turn ensure his election. Party loyalty has absolutely been infused throughout our Nation's history.
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It's not our party. I'm not beholden to any damn party. I have never belonged to a political party and I never will. I believe that actions and ideas are a hell of a lot more important than a party affiliation
If we want to place blame.................why not start with the 35+% of voters who didn't vote
Well you can watch the actions and ideas of the Messiah and his super majority for the next 4 years.
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Well you can watch the actions and ideas of the Messiah and his super majority for the next 4 years.
I will watch them. You make this sound as if I'm not a conservative. Being a registered anything doesn't make you conservative or liberal. My career is on the line over the next four years for the President we just got. I have served this country for the last 18 years as active duty a contractor and civilian.
Though I guess I will continue on with my life and hope that Obama doesn't **** up the country.......fire me or kill us. Or I can sit around and bitch and whine on the Interwebs about something that has happened and can't be changed.
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I will watch them. You make this sound as if I'm not a conservative. Being a registered anything doesn't make you conservative or liberal. My career is on the line over the next four years for the President we just got. I have served this country for the last 18 years as active duty a contractor and civilian.
Though I guess I will continue on with my life and hope that Obama doesn't **** up the country.......fire me or kill us. Or I can sit around and bitch and whine on the Interwebs about something that has happened and can't be changed.
No Hope for Change you can count on.
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I will watch them. You make this sound as if I'm not a conservative. Being a registered anything doesn't make you conservative or liberal. My career is on the line over the next four years for the President we just got. I have served this country for the last 18 years as active duty a contractor and civilian.
Though I guess I will continue on with my life and hope that Obama doesn't **** up the country.......fire me or kill us. Or I can sit around and bitch and whine on the Interwebs about something that has happened and can't be changed.
The "real" conservatives who stayed home or voted for Barr are certainly not "real" conservatives.
Actions have consequences.
The bitching and whining have been nonstop from that set since the Republicaion nomination was decided.