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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: JohnnyReb on November 10, 2008, 04:13:01 AM
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But this could make things interesting.
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/follow-up-story-mombasa-imam-who-confirmed-obamas-birth-place-arrives-in-the-uk/
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:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :evillaugh: :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
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I'm not getting my hopes up. API almost seems to be making things up, because nothing comes from their breaking stories. :(
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The Imam is the grandson of the late Imam who blessed Barack Obama when he was born in Mombasa on the 4th of august 1961.
Hopes not up but this could be very intresting
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Yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up either.
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Im still of the impression that API is setting up the biggest RickRolling ever.
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In other news, Obama has until Dec 1 to respond to a SCOTUS (Berg v. Obama) request for a bith certificate.
That should give him enough time to produce a pretty good forgery. :popcorn:
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I'm not getting my hopes up here. My hope died around 10 p.m. on 11/4.
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Oh for want of a mole.................
This would make a good conspiracy for the DUmp.
"Bush co will govern from behind the scene holding Baracks birth certificate and Constitutional ineligibility over his head." ....like a puppet on a string.
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Oh for want of a mole.................
This would make a good conspiracy for the DUmp.
"Bush co will govern from behind the scene holding Baracks birth certificate and Constitutional ineligibility over his head." ....like a puppet on a string.
I like.
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I like.
I second the "like". BDS is so much fun to watch in action.
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Interesting stuff, and it begs the question:
If Dear Leader is determined to not be eligible for office of the President since he is not a natural-born American, does that put Biden in office as President?
The political and legal wrangling will certainly go on beyond Jan. 20 and, of course, Dear Leader will be crowned and ascend his throne on that date.
Senator Biden's a dufus enough as it is and as VP he's generally pretty harmless, acting only to break a tie in the Senate, but as President?
Holy Foot-in-Mouth, Batman!
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Don't get your hopes up.
Don't worry, I've got my hopes secured in the same location I'm keeping - what's left of - my change.
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Interesting stuff, and it begs the question:
If Dear Leader is determined to not be eligible for office of the President since he is not a natural-born American, does that put Biden in office as President?
The political and legal wrangling will certainly go on beyond Jan. 20 and, of course, Dear Leader will be crowned and ascend his throne on that date.
Senator Biden's a dufus enough as it is and as VP he's generally pretty harmless, acting only to break a tie in the Senate, but as President?
Holy Foot-in-Mouth, Batman!
lets assume that Obama isn't capable of ascending to POTUS -
I think it depends on when the determination is made - If its before the electors meet, I would think that the Democratic Party would be disqualified, and the contest would go to the second place team, the Republicans.
If its after the electors meet, than I suspect that Biden would take over as POTUS.
Either way, at this point there WILL be riots. Bad ones.
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lets assume that Obama isn't capable of ascending to POTUS -
I think it depends on when the determination is made - If its before the electors meet, I would think that the Democratic Party would be disqualified, and the contest would go to the second place team, the Republicans.
If its after the electors meet, than I suspect that Biden would take over as POTUS.
Either way, at this point there WILL be riots. Bad ones.
And what happens if - assuming that der fuhrer gets disqualified before the electors meet - when the electors meet, they choose to ignore the SCOTUS ruling and cast their ballots for der fuhrer anyway?
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lets assume that Obama isn't capable of ascending to POTUS -
I think it depends on when the determination is made - If its before the electors meet, I would think that the Democratic Party would be disqualified, and the contest would go to the second place team, the Republicans.
If its after the electors meet, than I suspect that Biden would take over as POTUS.
Either way, at this point there WILL be riots. Bad ones.
Not too sure about that, miskie.
First of all, there's no way in hell that this issue is going to be challenged legally before the electors meet on Dec. 15. If you'll pardon the expression, there're too many politicians and lawyers involved. :lmao:
So that means that Dear Leader will ascend to the throne on Jan. 20.
After Dear Leader's ascension, and if it's determined he's not eligible to be President, I would think that Section 1 of the 25th Amendment would be invoked and we wind up with Veep Biden in the driver's seat.
God help us all.
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Interesting stuff, and it begs the question:
If Dear Leader is determined to not be eligible for office of the President since he is not a natural-born American, does that put Biden in office as President?
The political and legal wrangling will certainly go on beyond Jan. 20 and, of course, Dear Leader will be crowned and ascend his throne on that date.
Senator Biden's a dufus enough as it is and as VP he's generally pretty harmless, acting only to break a tie in the Senate, but as President?
Holy Foot-in-Mouth, Batman!
By guess to ths would be that Biden would take over only after the Electoral College met. If word of this broke before hand, I doubt the college would actually vote for him, thereby handing McCain a victory.
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First of all, there's no way in hell that this issue is going to be challenged legally before the electors meet on Dec. 15.
I read something on the Atlas Shrugs blog that said that Justice Souter has handed down a ruling that in effect says that Obama has to produce a valid Birth Certificate by Dec. 1st.
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I read something on the Atlas Shrugs blog that said that Justice Souter has handed down a ruling that in effect says that Obama has to produce a valid Birth Certificate by Dec. 1st.
If it's that Commie Lib Souter, then Reichsfuhrer Obama has better get to photoshopping. The 5 conservative black-robed overlords will not be as forgiving as Lord Souter is.
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I read something on the Atlas Shrugs blog that said that Justice Souter has handed down a ruling that in effect says that Obama has to produce a valid Birth Certificate by Dec. 1st.
True dat. But still, barring some kind of last minute legal wrangling by SCOTUS (entirely possible, but I'll believe it when I see it), the electors will cast their ballots on 15 Dec putting Dear Leader on the throne.
SCOTUS will get off its collective ass and get shit done in a hurry, but only if somebody/something is holding a gun to their heads.
I simply believe that it's business as usual and Dear Leader will ascend the throne.
He's had everything else go his way, why not this too?
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Couldn't the SCOTUS overturn the Electoral College in this matter though? Even if elected by the college, if it's proven true that he was not born an American Citizen then he is Constitutionally ineligible to hold that office.
Hell, if nothing else it would seem to me that the military would have legal grounds to force him from office (not that I see that happening, but who knows), since it is our duty to protect the Constitution.
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Couldn't the SCOTUS overturn the Electoral College in this matter though? Even if elected by the college, if it's proven true that he was not born an American Citizen then he is Constitutionally ineligible to hold that office.
Hell, if nothing else it would seem to me that the military would have legal grounds to force him from office (not that I see that happening, but who knows), since it is our duty to protect the Constitution.
If it turns out that he can't produce a valid U.S. birth certificate the Electoral College won't matter.
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Hell, if nothing else it would seem to me that the military would have legal grounds to force him from office (not that I see that happening, but who knows), since it is our duty to protect the Constitution.
That duty very likely is a legitimate one, but how many with the keys to the armory would be willing to give that order?
I'm not sure that the "managers" these days would be willing to plunge their country into chaos simply because it was the right thing to do.
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Not too sure about that, miskie.
First of all, there's no way in hell that this issue is going to be challenged legally before the electors meet on Dec. 15. If you'll pardon the expression, there're too many politicians and lawyers involved. :lmao:
So that means that Dear Leader will ascend to the throne on Jan. 20.
After Dear Leader's ascension, and if it's determined he's not eligible to be President, I would think that Section 1 of the 25th Amendment would be invoked and we wind up with Veep Biden in the driver's seat.
God help us all.
Frankly, I don't think either will happen - Im convinced that the API thing is a hoax - I was just playing devil's advocate.
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At this point, Supreme Court Justice David Souter's Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.
If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/
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Couldn't the SCOTUS overturn the Electoral College in this matter though? Even if elected by the college, if it's proven true that he was not born an American Citizen then he is Constitutionally ineligible to hold that office.
Hell, if nothing else it would seem to me that the military would have legal grounds to force him from office (not that I see that happening, but who knows), since it is our duty to protect the Constitution.
Well, the whole question is one for the constitutional attorneys, and God knows I ain't one.
What I'm looking at more than anything is the fact that Obama was elected president and Biden was elected veep. If Obama can't serve because he's constitutionally ineligible, that puts Biden in the driver's seat.
The military would have no role in this issue at all, IMHO. It's purely a legal matter.
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Thanks, TRG, for the linkie. :bow:
Here's a bit more from the same source:
"I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate," says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. "They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power - even over presidents, even over presidents-elect."
So Kraft is saying that SCOTUS can (and presumably would) "decertify" the election unanimously.
That would also mean, again presumably, that SCOTUS would decertify the election even if the Electoral College convenes on 13 Dec and casts their ballots on 15 Dec.
This is going to be very, VERY interesting.
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Thanks, TRG, for the linkie. :bow:
Here's a bit more from the same source:
So Kraft is saying that SCOTUS can (and presumably would) "decertify" the election unanimously.
That would also mean, again presumably, that SCOTUS would decertify the election even if the Electoral College convenes on 13 Dec and casts their ballots on 15 Dec.
This is going to be very, VERY interesting.
Given the doccumented arrogance of The Rookie and Libs in ggeneral...I can see him defying the order from Justice Souter like it never happened.
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Given the doccumented arrogance of The Rookie and Libs in ggeneral...I can see him defying the order from Justice Souter like it never happened.
Arrogance notwithstanding, I'm not convinced the Great Leader is that stupid.
I can see some stalling tactics, spin doctoring, legal briefs requesting extension, etc., etc., and even generating a document that is forged and doctored.
Checking said document would take awhile. Meanwhile, time moves on and unless SCOTUS is willing to pull the trigger, Great Leader takes the oath on 20 Jan.
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Oh for want of a mole.................
This would make a good conspiracy for the DUmp.
"Bush co will govern from behind the scene holding Baracks birth certificate and Constitutional ineligibility over his head." ....like a puppet on a string.
Teh Lord Rove is all powerfull.
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And what happens if - assuming that der fuhrer gets disqualified before the electors meet - when the electors meet, they choose to ignore the SCOTUS ruling and cast their ballots for der fuhrer anyway?
I'd say there would be riots and then things go to hell in a handbasket real quick.
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I'd say there would be riots and then things go to hell in a handbasket real quick.
Soooo...
If this thing turns out to be true, we've got riots in America, no matter how it turns out? Why do I have visions of damned near 600 politicians scratching like cats on a glass table, trying desperately to cover that shit up?
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Soooo...
If this thing turns out to be true, we've got riots in America, no matter how it turns out? Why do I have visions of damned near 600 politicians scratching like cats on a glass table, trying desperately to cover that shit up?
Probably because they've already started doing just that.
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Probably because they've already started doing just that.
bingo. And there ain't no dogs around to eat the poop.
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Now this is all getting intresting