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Title: China's rise raises Australia war fears
Post by: franksolich on November 09, 2008, 02:54:43 PM
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/chinas-rise-raises-australia-war-fears/1347273.aspx

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Australia would need to significantly boost defence spending and expand its armed forces to ensure its security against the likelihood of a rising China challenging the United States, a leading strategic thinker warned yesterday.

Speaking to an audience of senior Government officials, defence contractors and lawyers at a forum sponsored by the law firm Deacons, Australian National University strategic studies professor Hugh White said the Rudd Government's forthcoming Defence white paper needed to address fundamental strategic challenges.

Professor White said the deep question was how China's economic rise would change the strategic balance in the Asia-Pacific region and it was hard to escape the conclusion that the United States would lose primacy, or that primacy would be contested.

''This has immense implications for Australia,'' Professor White said.

''The eclipse of Western maritime primacy in Asia [will be] a very big event in our national history.

''If United States primacy fades, we will face higher risks of conflict with a major Asian power either in the company of the United States or alone.''.....

Of course.

What few people seem to understand is that world peace is best maintained when there is but one superpower, whose military, economic, political, diplomatic, financial, commercial, &c., &c., &c. is so overwhelming even numbers 2-10 in the world can't match it.

War is always most likely when there's a "balance of power."

I offer the Pax Romana of the second century A.D. and the Pax Britainnia of the 19th century A.D., which ended up being the two least-bloody centuries in the history of mankind.

The erosion of American power inevitably means war.  Somewhere, perhaps all over.
Title: Re: China's rise raises Australia war fears
Post by: Chris_ on November 09, 2008, 02:56:21 PM
the fuhrer will NOT be supporting our friends. Our enemies have been waiting for 8 years for a wussie (read: democrat) as president. clinton taught them how the democrats see the world -- tiptoe through conflict in the hopes of not being unpopular.

They have one now and will take advantage of it. Violently.
Title: Re: China's rise raises Australia war fears
Post by: Airwolf on November 09, 2008, 03:06:15 PM
New Zealand had better rethink its position as well on taking their fighter jets out of service because it was better to spend the money on pork and government subsidies.
Title: Re: China's rise raises Australia war fears
Post by: franksolich on November 09, 2008, 03:25:16 PM
New Zealand had better rethink its position as well on taking their fighter jets out of service because it was better to spend the money on pork and government subsidies.

The left-wing government of New Zealand got voted out of office the other day, after 9 years in power.
Title: Re: China's rise raises Australia war fears
Post by: RightCoast on November 09, 2008, 03:27:20 PM
Test. Test. Test.
Title: Re: China's rise raises Australia war fears
Post by: LC EFA on November 09, 2008, 03:59:53 PM
I  don't see that we are in danger of a conflict with China any time soon and most of the other larger Asian nations don't have sufficient ability to project force or maintain logistical supply over a large maritime distance. 

We already sell China natural resources dirt cheap, and any conflict would result in a huge shortfall in their domestic supply (especially of iron and coal) immediately. This shortfall wouldn't not be made up until after the means for production and distribution had been restarted by any occupying force. The quantity of manpower and resources that they'd have to throw at this, over thousands of miles of ocean and years of fighting is not insignificant.

Any invading or occupying force would be dealing with our defense forces, which while small are very very good. They'd also have to deal with militia units operating in terrain that's familiar with the support of the local civilian population.

So why would they bother, when they can take their present course which is to buy us out for peanuts, then sell us cheap and nasty merchandise back for profit. It wouldn't be worth the cost.

Far more likely that should China want more land, they're going to take something a lot closer to home, preferably somewhere with a contiguous land border. Makes it easier to "build" from your own back yard.

That said, I do think our military capacity needs to be vastly expanded, I'd like to see this country as an America like superpower. However due largely to environmental considerations (the lack of habitable and arable land and water) we lack the population, and thus the economic size to do it.
Title: Re: China's rise raises Australia war fears
Post by: Thor on November 09, 2008, 05:16:54 PM
This just goes to show folks what the Free World countries REALLY think about the Obamassiah. They KNOW that they can't trust the man for anything.
Title: Re: China's rise raises Australia war fears
Post by: Ptarmigan on November 09, 2008, 10:34:05 PM
Many former Soviet Union states do not welcome Obama as President. Also, Palestinians are not supportive of Obama.