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Title: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: jinxmchue on November 09, 2008, 10:17:21 AM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gMpTmr96V5hKIfyHT4Av4jsVQgrQD94AVN481

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Sen. Norm Coleman has failed in an attempt to block some absentee ballots from being counted in his close race with Democrat Al Franken.

A Ramsey County judge on Saturday denied the request because of lack of jurisdiction. The incumbent Republican had tried to block 32 ballots from heavily Democratic Hennepin County.

Coleman's campaign says the ballots were not counted on Election Day or were not kept in sealed boxes. It says the request was made amid "increasing questions about unexplained and improbable shifts in vote counts."

The most recent vote tally has Coleman leading Franken by only a couple hundred votes. A recount is planned.

Great.  Fraud comes to Minnesota.
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Atomic Lib Smasher on November 09, 2008, 10:26:07 AM
I guess he's good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, [dead] voters like him.
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: jinxmchue on November 09, 2008, 11:11:41 AM
I guess he's good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, [dead] voters like him.

You can't check if voters actually exist when it comes to recounts.
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Tess Anderson on November 09, 2008, 11:36:07 PM
The Democrat can never lose narrowly, because they'll always *find* enough votes to *win*. That 3rd party person over there that got 15% of the vote didn't help, either, but here you go.

Christine Gregoire won her re-election bid - despite a dismal performance as governor and her voting fraud four years earlier - with 53% of the vote. Used to be called "rewarding bad behaviour". :banghead:
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Wretched Excess on November 10, 2008, 10:37:19 AM


as of this morning, it was down to 204 votes.  it's statistically impossible that every single break since tuesday has gone to franken.
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Chris_ on November 10, 2008, 10:59:00 AM

as of this morning, it was down to 204 votes.  it's statistically impossible that every single break since tuesday has gone to franken.

This is politics in the grand old tradition of the Daley family.  Statistics has nothing to do with it.

<goes back to buying up cases of ammunition.>
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Wretched Excess on November 10, 2008, 11:04:39 AM
This is politics in the grand old tradition of the Daley family.  Statistics has nothing to do with it.

<goes back to buying up cases of ammunition.>

don't forget the spam.  people gotta eat, ya know. :-)
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Thor on November 10, 2008, 12:43:40 PM
don't forget the spam.  people gotta eat, ya know. :-)


:yum:


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Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Schadenfreude on November 10, 2008, 07:14:59 PM

as of this morning, it was down to 204 votes.  it's statistically impossible that every single break since tuesday has gone to franken.

Oh really? I took a drink at the drinking fountain at work and out shot 3 Franken votes...  :lmao:

Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Thor on November 10, 2008, 07:30:35 PM
I was listening to Jason Lewis via the net this afternoon and he was saying that it was a 207 vote split.
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Wretched Excess on November 10, 2008, 09:04:17 PM
Oh really? I took a drink at the drinking fountain at work and out shot 3 Franken votes...  :lmao:



hell, I got a fedex from a supplier from minnesota and it had 5 franken votes sticking out of it.  minnesota must be awash in freaking franken votes. :-)
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Schadenfreude on November 10, 2008, 10:11:36 PM
hell, I got a fedex from a supplier from minnesota and it had 5 franken votes sticking out of it.  minnesota must be awash in freaking franken votes. :-)

See, we can all have 'ha ha' over this debacle.

A lot of people are pretty bent out of shape over this deal. This situation could either delliver a win to Franken or clean up MN politics big time. I sense there would be some disillusionment among some of the party faithful if widespread fraud were uncovered..... lots of cradle Dems in this state.
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Wretched Excess on November 11, 2008, 08:18:50 AM

yikes.  I was assuming that ballots would be secure in a situation like this . . .

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Ballot security could be issue in Minn. recount

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — St. Louis County keeps election ballots in the courthouse attic. Anoka County keeps them locked in the basement. Hennepin County relies on its cities to keep ballots safe.

The lack of a uniform standard for counties safeguarding ballots after the election could come into play when those votes are recounted in Minnesota's U.S. Senate race.

The campaigns have been negotiating neutral standards for ballot security after an unsuccessful court challenge Saturday by Republican incumbent Norm Coleman to halt the counting of 32 absentee ballots from Minneapolis. Coleman's campaign questioned the ballots' legitimacy, saying it was told the ballots had been left for several days in the car of a Minneapolis election official.

A city spokesman said the ballots were never unaccounted for, and the Coleman campaign later said it accepted those assurances. But with Coleman and Democrat Al Franken separated by a little more than 200 votes out of nearly 3 million cast, ballot integrity remains an issue.

"There have been some concerning reports about strange things happening in the context of this recount," Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty said. He said it's "important that the process be locked down and secure."

more (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gMpTmr96V5hKIfyHT4Av4jsVQgrQD94CK7S02)
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: jinxmchue on November 11, 2008, 11:01:26 AM
I was listening to Jason Lewis via the net this afternoon and he was saying that it was a 207 vote split.

It was 700 the day after the election.
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Chris_ on November 11, 2008, 11:44:20 AM
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Minnesota Ripe for Election Fraud

Minnesota is becoming to 2008 politics what Florida was in 2000 or Washington State in 2004 -- a real mess. The outcome will determine whether Democrats get 58 members of the U.S. Senate, giving them an effective filibuster-proof vote on many issues.

When voters woke up on Wednesday morning after the election, Senator Norm Coleman led Al Franken by what seemed like a relatively comfortable 725 votes. By Wednesday night, that lead had shrunk to 477. By Thursday night, it was down to 336. By Friday, it was 239. Late Sunday night, the difference had gone down to just 221 -- a total change over 4 days of 504 votes.

Amazingly, this all has occurred even though there hasn’t even yet been a recount. Just local election officials correcting claimed typos in how the numbers were reported. Counties will certify their results today, and their final results will be sent to the secretary of state by Friday. The actual recount won’t even start until November 19.

*snip*

Virtually all of Franken’s new votes came from just three out of 4130 precincts, and almost half the gain (246 votes) occurred in one precinct -- Two Harbors, a small town north of Duluth along Lake Superior -- a heavily Democratic precinct where Obama received 64 percent of the vote. None of the other races had any changes in their vote totals in that precinct.

To put this change in perspective, that single precinct’s corrections accounted for a significantly larger net swing in votes between the parties than occurred for all the precincts in the entire state for the presidential, congressional, or state house races.

*snip*

With ACORN filing more than 43,000 registration forms this year, 75 percent of all new registrations in the state, Minnesota was facing vote fraud problems even before the election. Even a small percentage of those registrations resulting in fraudulent votes could tip this election.

To many, it just seems like too much of a coincidence that Minnesota's one tight race just happens to be the race with the most "corrected" votes by far. But the real travesty will be to start letting election officials divine voter's intent. If you want to discourage people from voting, election fraud is one sure way of doing it.

Nothing to see here...move along.

MORE (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,449334,00.html)

Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Thor on November 11, 2008, 12:10:02 PM
WE won't even get into the potential voter fraud from the various areas just due to the lax state laws. No proof of residency, not even an electric bill is required.
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Crazy Horse on November 11, 2008, 05:45:42 PM
I just got my Limbaugh letter and there were 6 Al Franken votes attached to it
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: rich_t on November 11, 2008, 10:08:05 PM
is MN the new FL?
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Thor on November 11, 2008, 11:06:43 PM
MN has been rife with voter fraud for several years. At one point, due to a loophole in the state law, they were bussing people in from neighboring states in order to skew the vote for the Dems.
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Wretched Excess on November 12, 2008, 01:15:04 PM

interesting.  I have read that many of the votes that were "found" for franken didn't include votes for any other candidate.  so, the ballots were processed, but just happened to skip franken?
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Chris_ on November 12, 2008, 01:37:57 PM
interesting.  I have read that many of the votes that were "found" for franken didn't include votes for any other candidate.  so, the ballots were processed, but just happened to skip franken?
Nah, they're still processing those ballots.  It takes a bit longer for dead people to vote than for the rest of us.
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: MarshallLaw on November 12, 2008, 02:41:53 PM
Nah, they're still processing those ballots.  It takes a bit longer for dead people to vote than for the rest of us.




Yeah, what with the rigor mortis and all.
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: Tess Anderson on November 14, 2008, 10:43:35 PM
Dummy Hillary Clinton is fundraising for him again. Stuart Smalley has over 1250 lawyers helping him steal this election now, guess that gets pricey:

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/11/14/al-franken-hires-6-lawyers-per-voter/

ALL of the *found* ballots have gone to Franken, Coleman has had his only taken away.
Title: Re: The fix is in for Al Frankenstein
Post by: jinxmchue on November 14, 2008, 11:07:13 PM
Dummy Hillary Clinton is fundraising for him again. Stuart Smalley has over 1250 lawyers helping him steal this election now, guess that gets pricey:

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/11/14/al-franken-hires-6-lawyers-per-voter/

ALL of the *found* ballots have gone to Franken, Coleman has had his only taken away.

Anything to win their super-majority.