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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Chris_ on November 05, 2008, 11:23:40 AM
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I'm not a political pundit, nor am I a historian, just an aging PhD in an arcane discipline that became obsolete forty years ago, preparing to retire from my second career. I have seen many elections, and have dealt with the good and bad. Being born in the final years of FDR's last term, I have seen the political pendulum swing back and fourth more times than I care to count, and although I was disappointed in the results last night, there are some reasons for we conservatives to be encouraged.
First, in our heart of hearts, we knew that this election was going to end this way at some level, which I will discuss later.
Going in, Democrats (and some Republicans) on the hill forecast that we would lose a minimum of 40 House seats, and 9 to 10 Senate seats......That didn't happen. We ended up losing five (possibly six) Senate seats, and the House total may come in at less than 20. An important point to consider is that the Senate seats that we lost were predominately RINOS, leaving the remaining Republican minority stronger and more conservative than it was before........this singular event was not a dismissal on the part of the voters of conservative principles. Mitch McConnell, who was targeted by the DNC with millions in campaign funds retained his seat, and love him or hate him, he has done an effective job in keeping his caucus together, and blocking bad legislation for the past two years. The Dems do not have a "super majority" in the Senate, which they sorely wanted.......
Again, as in 2006, the Democrat gains in the House are mainly centrist "blue dogs", and are not going to go along with a far-left agenda, as speaker Pelosi has already discovered, to her great dismay....... A number of the Republicans that were defeated in the House also were RINOS (Chris Shea, for example). In at least one case (strangely in Minnesota), a House member was replaced by a VERY conservative Republican (female) representative, so the base principles still have appeal to voters in even as weird a state as Minnesota politically. The House has a habit of changing very rapidly, and if the Republican Party plays this correctly, we can be in a good position to regain a majority in 2010.
On many "down ballot" issues, conservative principles have been strongly supported by the voters.....hell, even California voters decided that gay marriage was a bad idea, and here in Missouri, a state Constitutional Amendment to make English the official language of our government passed with an 86% "yes" vote.......therefore we can conclude that social, and fiscal conservatism are strongly supported.....but only if our leaders run on those principles......that is where our focus must be directed in the future....STARTING RIGHT NOW.
This campaign has made Sarah Palin, and the possibility of others like her to become the new leaders of the conservative movement.
Now for the autopsy......we had a truly bad candidate, who ran a lackluster campaign......I commented in a thread at the beginning of the primaries that we ended up with the worst of a mediocre slate of presidential choices, the new Bob Dole, who's only saving grace (other than Sarah Palin) was that he managed to get through the entire campaign without falling off of a stage somewhere.......we have to correct that.
We caught some bad breaks during this campaign........some of which we can attribute to our making a bad choice in 2000. As much as I respect GWB for many reasons, he failed to make an issue of the emerging financial crisis that he not only knew was coming, but he knew who was responsible for it, and failed to use the "bully pulpit" to place the responsibility where it belonged. At the beginning, GWB failed to select a running mate that could become his successor.....a devastating strategic error......although I think that Dick Cheney has done an extraordinary job as VP, If I were in the RNC's position, I would have reversed the ticket in 2000. Next the whole idea of "compassionate conservatism", and "new tone", are basically BS, and we need to make certain that that doesn't happen again.
And to end this discussion on a very high note.......we don't have to hear about the Clinton's any longer.....she's done, and he is history......that in itself, makes my day brighter......
doc
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jcc has decided to infect our site with his libtard fascist socialist bullshit.
Any good is wiped out by that.
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Now for the autopsy......we had a truly bad candidate, who ran a lackluster campaign......I commented in a thread at the beginning of the primaries that we ended up with the worst of a mediocre slate of presidential choices, the new Bob Dole, who's only saving grace (other than Sarah Palin) was that he managed to get through the entire campaign without falling off of a stage somewhere.......we have to correct that.
Well, I think the Secret Service probably would keep any of us from giving him that little extra push.
:evillaugh:
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The early morning news analyzed the state of TN and it had much more "red" than it did in 2004. There was still a smidgen of "blue" in the Nashville area and Memphis area is still "blue".
There is still a Democrat Governor, but the Republicans now control the state.
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Well, I think the Secret Service probably would keep any of us from giving him that little extra push.
:evillaugh:
"Plugs" and Hillary can get close enough though. Just sayin'. :uhsure:
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The early morning news analyzed the state of TN and it had much more "red" than it did in 2004. There was still a smidgen of "blue" in the Nashville area and Memphis area is still "blue".
There is still a Democrat Governor, but the Republicans now control the state.
Can we just give Memphis to Arkansas? :-)
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One other bonus is that the race card is over. Done. Can't be played any more, as far as I'm concerned.
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One other bonus is that the race card is over. Done. Can't be played any more, as far as I'm concerned.
Good point -- jessie jackson and al sharpton are done.
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Good point -- jessie jackson and al sharpton are done.
Oh, no they're not--not by a longshot. Especially when the average person that thinks Obama is going to fill their tank and pay their mortgage realizes that's NOT going to happen.
"ONE guy succeeded, now we have to give enough money to me so EVERYONE succeeds..."/Jesseextortionmode
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Oh, no they're not--not by a longshot. Especially when the average person that thinks Obama is going to fill their tank and pay their mortgage realizes that's NOT going to happen.
"ONE guy succeeded, now we have to give enough money to me so EVERYONE succeeds..."/Jesseextortionmode
Even if they were it doesn't undo the bad that is jcc.
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Good point -- jessie jackson and al sharpton are done.
Hmmmmm. Barry-0 is half black and half white. Wonder why he chose to call himself black instead of white. :whatever:
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Hmmmmm. Barry-0 is half black and half white. Wonder why he chose to call himself black instead of white. :whatever:
When you only have one qualification, you have to go with it.
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Can we just give Memphis to Arkansas? :-)
Sure.... :-)
they produced the Clintons....they deserve Memphis.... :loser:
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Sure.... :-)
they produced the Clintons....they deserve Memphis.... :loser:
Agreed. They'd fit right in with the Ford family, except that Harry actually went to jail for his mis-deeds.
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Sure.... :-)
they produced the Clintons....they deserve Memphis.... :loser:
With any kind of luck, the Mississippi will carve out a new path, just to the west of Germantown, and erase that festering abscess.
Beale St., the Peabody Hotel, the Rendezvous - make 'em all Arkansan.
The ducks can find a new home.
:-)
Oh, H5, deb.
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One other bonus is that the race card is over. Done. Can't be played any more, as far as I'm concerned.
I don't think so. In fact, it may get worst. Any criticism of Obama will be met with the "You're just a racist" comment. Also, don't be too surprised to see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton start pushing for the idea of reparations in the near future.
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Reparations be damned. A black man is president for God's sake. There is no more ceiling.
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With any kind of luck, the Mississippi will carve out a new path, just to the west of Germantown, and erase that festering abscess.
Beale St., the Peabody Hotel, the Rendezvous - make 'em all Arkansan.
The ducks can find a new home.
:-)
Oh, H5, deb.
thanks! :cheersmate:
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Going in, Democrats (and some Republicans) on the hill forecast that we would lose a minimum of 40 House seats, and 9 to 10 Senate seats......That didn't happen. We ended up losing five (possibly six) Senate seats, and the House total may come in at less than 20. An important point to consider is that the Senate seats that we lost were predominately RINOS, leaving the remaining Republican minority stronger and more conservative than it was before........this singular event was not a dismissal on the part of the voters of conservative principles. Mitch McConnell, who was targeted by the DNC with millions in campaign funds retained his seat, and love him or hate him, he has done an effective job in keeping his caucus together, and blocking bad legislation for the past two years. The Dems do not have a "super majority" in the Senate, which they sorely wanted.......
Again, as in 2006, the Democrat gains in the House are mainly centrist "blue dogs", and are not going to go along with a far-left agenda, as speaker Pelosi has already discovered, to her great dismay....... The House has a habit of changing very rapidly, and if the Republican Party plays this correctly, we can be in a good position to regain a majority in 2010.
.....hell, even California voters decided that gay marriage was a bad idea, and here in Missouri, a state Constitutional Amendment to make English the official language of our government passed with an 86% "yes" vote.......
Now for the autopsy......we had a truly bad candidate, who ran a lackluster campaign......
We caught some bad breaks during this campaign........some of which we can attribute to our making a bad choice in 2000. As much as I respect GWB for many reasons, he failed to make an issue of the emerging financial crisis that he not only knew was coming, but he knew who was responsible for it, and failed to use the "bully pulpit" to place the responsibility where it belonged.
doc
Good analysis, doc, and you bring up some excellent talking points.
Every political party has its ups and downs and even the Republican Party, as strong and united as it was in the latter part of the last decade, will wane in time.
Agreed that McCain was a weak candidate - Palin certainly helped, but she wasn't enough to bring home the bacon. Oddly enough, I don't believe the relentless attacks against her and her family had any lasting impact. She is still a force to be reckoned with. Interestingly enough, she was cleared of any ethics violations in Troopergate, but all of that was completely overshadowed by the pending election. Typical for the MSM.
One of the fundamental faults that GWB never seemed to grasp and deal with was his deplorable communication skills and his paranoia in stopping leaks before they happened. That supporating abscess known as Washington leaks pus like a leper and always will, but Bush clamped down so hard on the communicating that he left far too many people looking for answers that never came.
Of all the issues seen over the past 7 years and 10 months, it's my unbridled opinion that GWB's miserable communication skills hampered him more than anything.
Since I too reside in Missouri, I was thoroughly heartened by the "English as the official language" proposition. I'm just wondering if the politicians are listening.
Pelosi has been bitch-slapped on a number of fronts, but I don't know that she understands how offensive she really is. She's one of those Commiefornia political thugs that doesn't quite understand a brick upside the head. All the same, I'm looking forward to the Republican party de-throning her in 2010.
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One of the fundamental faults that GWB never seemed to grasp and deal with was his deplorable communication skills and his paranoia in stopping leaks before they happened. That supporating abscess known as Washington leaks pus like a leper and always will, but Bush clamped down so hard on the communicating that he left far too many people looking for answers that never came.
Of all the issues seen over the past 7 years and 10 months, it's my unbridled opinion that GWB's miserable communication skills hampered him more than anything.
I completely agree, and you can add to that his failure to purge the libs from his administration in its initial days, done in the name of "compassion", which, in my opinion, contributed greatly to the leaks, especially in the State Dept., and the CIA.......
doc
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This still doesn't answer the big question, how soon can we expect'em to put catfish and carp in the White House pool?
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This still doesn't answer the big question, how soon can we expect'em to put catfish and carp in the White House pool?
Right after they put those Godawful spinning rims on Air Force One.
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I don't think so. In fact, it may get worst. Any criticism of Obama will be met with the "You're just a racist" comment. Also, don't be too surprised to see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton start pushing for the idea of reparations in the near future.
I have already been called a racist by some chick on my Facebook that I didn't even realize I had. I got an email notification that I got a message on my Facebook from a friend. I went to it and noticed I had 4 friends but I swear I don't even remember creating the account. Anyway, I went to one of the "friends" and I realized I knew her from a support board from my Takayasu's Arteritis and read her site. She was on a tirade against another friend of hers and called her stupid for not voting for Obama so of course in my Prednisone induced state I had to comment. Within 5 minutes I was no longer a friend of hers and my comment was deleted.
I said nothing of Obama's skin color, I just stated that people who differer with her have their own reasons and they are just as important to them as her reasons are for voting for Obama. She read a LOT into my comments and responded with a load of crap. For the record, I never said anything about her being poor, perhaps she is on prednisone too.
Here is part of her response:
You wrote that ASSUMING I'm poor and as a poor person, I think anybody who has money is EVIL. That was your intention, I'm sure of it. It was your little jab at what you believed me to be: *someone of lower class standards*. Hell! Voting for a black man could only be the result of *someone of lower class standards* That was a very, as
you would say, *telling* statement made by you.
Since I am not up to your standards, I would do nothing but disappoint you as a friend. You are free from my free-thinking.
I of course couldn't resist responding..... :p
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I of course couldn't resist responding.....
They won. Why are they so angry?
The deal is, in the end, sore winners never win.
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Right after they put those Godawful spinning rims on Air Force One.
And if I were the pilot, I'd never lower the landing gear.
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They won. Why are they so angry?
The deal is, in the end, sore winners never win.
I mentioned that in my reply. I did apologize for basically coming into her "territory" and letting her have it. It wasn't very polite of me. I did blame it on the prednisone. I wonder how much longer I can use it before I have to cop to just having a bad attitude?
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Can we just give Memphis to Arkansas? :-)
YES! Some folks wouldn't have been the slightest bit upset to see those bridges come down. :-)
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With any kind of luck, the Mississippi will carve out a new path, just to the west of Germantown, and erase that festering abscess.
Beale St., the Peabody Hotel, the Rendezvous - make 'em all Arkansan.
The ducks can find a new home.
:-)
Oh, H5, deb.
I think I'd bump that a little farther - like Cordova or or even more East. Heck, you could go all the way to Jackson. :)
You in Memphis? I was born and raised there.
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Bright side? Gonna be fun watching the Dems attack one another because they'll control everything. Bad side? I'll be unemployed, so I'll have a lot of time for observation. .....and yes, I will, more than likely, be out of a job. I work on new defense systems. ..those same systems that punk wants to cut. You know, thinks like IED hunters that protect our troops or a SatCom system that allows our troops some access to assets back home.
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Well, the Dems are still not completely happy despite Obama's win because of other things.
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Oh, no they're not--not by a longshot. Especially when the average person that thinks Obama is going to fill their tank and pay their mortgage realizes that's NOT going to happen.
"ONE guy succeeded, now we have to give enough money to me so EVERYONE succeeds..."/Jesseextortionmode
Yea, but I know someone that can cut their power and leave them more in the dark than they already are.
With more states outlawing affirmative action yesterday, it’s only going to put Obama in squeeze between the voters and the people he oversold to – and he’ll use Jesse and Al as scapegoats in a heartbeat to save his ass.
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I think I'd bump that a little farther - like Cordova or or even more East. Heck, you could go all the way to Jackson. :)
You in Memphis? I was born and raised there.
No, but I lived in Jackson for about a year. Escaped intact, but am considering final retirement there (assuming we survive Obama).
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No, but I lived in Jackson for about a year. Escaped intact, but am considering final retirement there (assuming we survive Obama).
You should consider here, Euph....we have a symphony and university too! And it's prettier than Jackson. :-)
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You should consider here, Euph....we have a symphony and university too! And it's prettier than Jackson. :-)
Yeah, but ain't it all dry? Except for the sheriff, who knows who's got the hooch? :lmao: :rotf:
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Yeah, but ain't it all dry? Except for the sheriff, who knows who's got the hooch? :lmao: :rotf:
Dry? Only when it doesn't rain..... :lmao:
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Oh, no they're not--not by a longshot. Especially when the average person that thinks Obama is going to fill their tank and pay their mortgage realizes that's NOT going to happen.
"ONE guy succeeded, now we have to give enough money to me so EVERYONE succeeds..."/Jesseextortionmode
I remember the movie Idiocracy, people were storming the White House because Joe Bauers made Brawndo's stock price drop and everyone lost money and was "unemployed". I think there will be people storming the White House demanding why Obama has not paid their gas and mortgage.
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Dry? Only when it doesn't rain..... :lmao:
Jackson is the end zone for us, I'm afraid. Sigh. Some things just don't change. I went wherever I was ordered to go while in uniform, now I'm doin' the same thing.
Mrs. E signs my movement orders anymore. :hyper:
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The early morning news analyzed the state of TN and it had much more "red" than it did in 2004. There was still a smidgen of "blue" in the Nashville area and Memphis area is still "blue".
There is still a Democrat Governor, but the Republicans now control the state.
BUT, the Nashville area, Davidson County, was completely surrounded by us Red counties :cheersmate: :-), our Democratic Gov is fiscally more conservative than most republicans and Memphis ..... well, :mental: it's just Memphis
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Hmmmmm. Barry-0 is half black and half white. Wonder why he chose to call himself black instead of white. :whatever:
DUH
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Agreed. They'd fit right in with the Ford family, except that Harry actually went to jail for his mis-deeds.
and Ophelia keeps sneaking out of re-hab
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Yeah, but ain't it all dry? Except for the sheriff, who knows who's got the hooch? :lmao: :rotf:
DRY? Oh HELL NO! Hey Euph, Deb's area would be a great place to retire to, I'm even thinking about it (of course, I'm still trying to lay claim to a lil corner in her house :rotf:
Let deb send Mrs E some area pics AND, she's the lady to find your house. :cheersmate: