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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Servonaut on October 29, 2008, 04:43:35 PM
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Doughboy71 (23 posts) Wed Oct-29-08 12:54 PM
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Effigy Of Noosed Palin Prompts Visit From Feds
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(AP) Chad Morrisette never imagined his Halloween yard decorations would prompt interest from the Secret Service.
But apparently hanging a mannequin of GOP vice presidential hopeful Sarah Palin from a noose isn't something to be ignored.
Agents recently visited Morrisette's home to see the display and have been trying to meet him to ensure no violent plots have been concocted, Deputy Special Agent in Charge Wayne Williams said Tuesday.
So far, he said, it seems to be a harmless _ though unusual _ display.
"We're not treating it as a threat," he told The Associated Press. "Halloween presents some interesting challenges for us with the masks and costumes."
Local officials aren't quite as accepting of the display, which also features Palin's running mate John McCain surrounded by fake flames coming out of the bungalow's chimney.
West Hollywood Mayor Jeffrey Prang has urged Morrisette to remove the mannequins, and Los Angeles County Supervisor Mike Antonovich called for an investigation into whether the effigy constitutes a hate crime because it targeted the candidates based on their political affiliation.
"Had this stupid act been done to Senator (Barack) Obama, there would appropriately have been a national outcry," he said in a statement.
County Counsel Ray Fortner said he would discuss the matter with the district attorney and report back to Antonovich with a legal opinion.
Prang said Morrisette had the right to create the display, but "I strongly oppose political speech that references violence _ real or perceived. I urge these residents to take down their display and find more constructive ways to express their opinion."
Morrisette said he has no plans to take down the effigy before Halloween. He said he and his partner, Mito Aviles, created it about three weeks ago but didn't expect to cause such a stir.
"If it's a political statement, it's that (McCain's and Palin's) politics are scary to us," Morrisette told The Los Angeles Times. "This is our palette and this is our venue of expression."
What a *****
Brotherjohn (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-29-08 12:55 PM
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1. KO spoke out against this yesterday... I think he had the guy as one of his Worst Persons.
He said "Violence is violence". Good on ya, Keith!
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-29-08 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. EVERYONE on du spoke out against it. n/t
Tarc (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-29-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. I didn't, as I thought it was rather humorous
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-29-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. then you equally think it is quite a CHUCKLE TO SEE ONE OF OBAMA. i guess the
theory holds, there is an ass in all groups. i didnt see any person thinking funny cute or ok in the couple of threads i perused.
sad if there is even one.
but tis life
Tarc (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-29-08 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Simplistic "if A, then B" fallacious logic is a hallmark of conservative groupthink
Edited on Wed Oct-29-08 03:00 PM by Tarc
Please, educate yourself more, embarrass yourself less. Hanging a black man in effigy is worlds about in meaning and intent and symbolism than hanging a white woman is
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-29-08 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. i knew that would be your excuse, justification, validation. repug think
wrong is wrong.
Bornaginhooligan (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-29-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Hanging a doll isn't violence.
Reminds me of people who are afraid of cartoon penguins, frankly.
Okay I'm lost here.
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-29-08 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. that is such bullshit. it is representing a live person and you know it.
it is representing violence on that person. just as one hung of obama.
what hypocrites
Bornaginhooligan (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-29-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. You might argue it represents violence.
In the same way a Tom and Jerry represents violence.
It is not in and of itself violent.
"what hypocrites"
If Sarah Palin were black, and a decent human being, you'd have a point.
Since she's not either, you haven't.
I have new respect for seabeyond but Bornaginhooligan can kiss my ass.
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If any democrat, white, black, brown, or purple were treated to an effigy the DUchebags would be up in arms.
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Bornaginhooligan (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-29-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. You might argue it represents violence.
In the same way a Tom and Jerry represents violence.
It is not in and of itself violent.
"what hypocrites"
If Sarah Palin were black, and a decent human being, you'd have a point.
Since she's not either, you haven't.
Few things sum up the evil and idiocy of the left quite as nicely as that,thank you very much whoever you are.
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-29-08 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Simplistic "if A, then B" fallacious logic is a hallmark of conservative groupthink
Edited on Wed Oct-29-08 03:00 PM by Tarc
Please, educate yourself more, embarrass yourself less. Hanging a black man in effigy is worlds about in meaning and intent and symbolism than hanging a white woman is
And this type of pure ignorance, ladies and gentlemen, is one reason we still have racial problems in this country.
If it's wrong for one, it's wrong for the other you idiot. Or are the races and sexes not equal in your eyes?
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So, let me get this straight. If I dress up some DUmmies like muslims, have them stoning a queer to death in the front yard and I take it down the morning after halloween, I'm good to go, right? ....right?
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And this type of pure ignorance, ladies and gentlemen, is one reason we still have racial problems in this country.
If it's wrong for one, it's wrong for the other you idiot. Or are the races and sexes not equal in your eyes?
They never will be...they wouldn`t be useful tools to advance Socialism if they were.
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And this type of pure ignorance, ladies and gentlemen, is one reason we still have racial problems in this country.
If it's wrong for one, it's wrong for the other you idiot. Or are the races and sexes not equal in your eyes?
No they aren't, I mean, even bornagainidiot said it...IF Palin were white and a decent person then it would be violence...ahh, the fallout of a hate crime viewpoint...basically it has taught or manipulated people either stupid, wicked, or both to think something is only violent if it meets certain requirements. Apparently white women who are republicans and/or conservative may have any means of violence met on them and it is not only acceptable, but applauded. Given their hate frenzy of late, I can't help but think that extends beyond 'in effigy' representations.
Seabeyond, this is one of your moments of lucidity and you are absolutely right!
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He said he and his partner, Mito Aviles,
Nuff said...from twisted minds come twisted ideas.
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So, let me get this straight. If I dress up some DUmmies like muslims, have them stoning a queer to death in the front yard and I take it down the morning after halloween, I'm good to go, right? ....right?
I will probably do that tableau next year.
Should be fun.
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So, let me get this straight. If I dress up some DUmmies like muslims, have them stoning a queer to death in the front yard and I take it down the morning after halloween, I'm good to go, right? ....right?
yep. call it 'installation art' and nobody can touch you.
which is what those students in Kentucky or Tennessee should have said when they hung one of Obama from a tree there this week..
"its ART, man! its my free speech and we are scared of him!"
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and on one of the threads over there about this, proud2blib was one of a handful of DUmmies who thought it was funny and supported the 'artists' abilities all the way.
she did say though that doing it to Obama would be 'wrong' .. and 'hateful' ..
must be slippery on the edge of that knife blade where that idiot lives..
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and on one of the threads over there about this, proud2blib was one of a handful of DUmmies who thought it was funny and supported the 'artists' abilities all the way.
she did say though that doing it to Obama would be 'wrong' .. and 'hateful' ..
must be slippery on the edge of that knife blade where that idiot lives..
I think that sort of thing is a prerequisite to being a DUmmy,you cannot think socialism is a rational economic system nor ignore its failures everytime tried without being able to keep all beliefs walled away from each other in ones mind.
They simply have individual beliefs (raise taxes on companies) and never see the outcome (layoff employees and/or pass the cost on to consumers).
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I think that sort of thing is a prerequisite to being a DUmmy,you cannot think socialism is a rational economic system nor ignore its failures everytime tried without being able to keep all beliefs walled away from each other in ones mind.
They simply have individual beliefs (raise taxes on companies) and never see the outcome (layoff employees and/or pass the cost on to consumers).
Why, Carl, are you calling them myopic? :evillaugh: :-)