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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CactusCarlos on January 27, 2008, 04:13:05 PM
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It's Time to Hold Democratic House Leaders in Contempt-Naomi Wolf
Posted by kpete on Sun Jan-27-08 04:02 PM
It's Time to Hold Democratic House Leaders in Contempt
Posted January 25, 2008
Naomi Wolf
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So let me get this straight. The Democrats in Congress cannot even get their own members together to defend the Constitution against a supremely unpopular executive who has essentially spit in their faces, eaten their lunch and the nation's, and publicly called them out as powerless. Not to mention the fact that they are setting a precedent for the future that any executive can emasculate any Congress and defy any subpoena after having committed possibly any crime. Still they are trembling under the barstools -- summoning up, perhaps, the courage to crawl out fully prone and toss their untouched guns humbly at the feet of the posse.
Remember this: each and every member of Congress took an oath -- and the oath was not to some abstract government, it was an oath TO YOU -- to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States." Unlike many good people across the political spectrum who are appalled at this dismantling of the three-part system the founders put in place and the besmirching of the rule of law, Congressional Republicans have clearly decided to place their allegiance to the president and their party over their allegiance to the Constitution. This is bad enough; this is, in fact, treason. But the Democrats do not even have that party allegiance as an excuse for their treachery. They would be standing up for their party, the institution of Congress, and the Constitution by passing the contempt resolutions. What more will it take to get them to act?
Those who think -- as Pelosi apparently does -- that they may rock the boat through a contempt citation in a way that endangers a possible Democratic victory in September are badly misreading the public mood -- as well as severely misreading the historical record. If you don't punish those who break the law at this stage of a crackdown on liberty -- through contempt citations, through the use of Congress's jail cell for those who are found guilty of contempt, and/or through the investigations of a truly independent prosecutor -- you are not going to have a transparent, accountable election in November. You will have set a benchmark for impunity and you will get greater and greater crimes committed in the certainty of impunity.
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Tell your representative to move forward with contempt. And if your representatives fail to act, the punishment should not just be removal from office in the next election; they should also be subject to investigations themselves -- for abetting crimes against the Constitution.
Contempt is at issue, indeed.
more at:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/its-time-to-hold-democra_b_83322.html
Is it impeachment yet? :-)
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I am still waiting for someone in the BDS spittle-mouthed Left to point to a single Constitutional Right that has been lost.
Just one.
Just like Lies, High Crimes and Misdemeanors, and other Left memes there is no substance.
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-27-08 04:17 PM
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2. Naomi is a very brave lady in calling it what it is, treason.
It's time that every citizen in this country who cares about our democracy backs her in this, calling it what it is, treason.
For the ten millionth time, DUmbass, the United States of America is not a democracy. Why should anyone care about something which does not exist? You, DUmbass, are living in a representative republic. That means, DUmbass, you do not vote directly on any issue of the federal government. You elect people to represent you - to vote for you. Sometimes the guy you want doing that for you is not elected by the majority in your district or your state. Sometimes your choice is elected. Either way, we all live with it.
The United States is not governed by polls. If it was, all we would need is a really big set of three computers in Washington. We could input polling data from the various districts around the USA in the first computer which could then spit out a bill. The second computer could analyze the bill to see if it is in the best interest of the nation as a whole, and "sign" it or reject it. The third computer could take the signed bills (laws) and compare them to the information in the Constitution and pass or fail the work of the other two computers. We would have a Windsock Republic.
Instead, what we have, DUmbass, is people representing us. They know more than you do. We elected them, we have to live with their decisions whether we agree or not.
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-27-08 04:17 PM
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2. Naomi is a very brave lady in calling it what it is, treason.
It's time that every citizen in this country who cares about our democracy backs her in this, calling it what it is, treason.
For the ten millionth time, DUmbass, the United States of America is not a democracy. Why should anyone care about something which does not exist? You, DUmbass, are living in a representative republic. That means, DUmbass, you do not vote directly on any issue of the federal government. You elect people to represent you - to vote for you. Sometimes the guy you want doing that for you is not elected by the majority in your district or your state. Sometimes your choice is elected. Either way, we all live with it.
The United States is not governed by polls. If it was, all we would need is a really big set of three computers in Washington. We could input polling data from the various districts around the USA in the first computer which could then spit out a bill. The second computer could analyze the bill to see if it is in the best interest of the nation as a whole, and "sign" it or reject it. The third computer could take the signed bills (laws) and compare them to the information in the Constitution and pass or fail the work of the other two computers. We would have a Windsock Republic.
Instead, what we have, DUmbass, is people representing us. They know more than you do. We elected them, we have to live with their decisions whether we agree or not.
Bill the hummer believed that 100% of governing should be done by opinion poll. That led to Somalia, the pull out, and 9/11.
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-27-08 04:17 PM
Response to Original message
2. Naomi is a very brave lady in calling it what it is, treason.
It's time that every citizen in this country who cares about our democracy backs her in this, calling it what it is, treason.
For the ten millionth time, DUmbass, the United States of America is not a democracy. Why should anyone care about something which does not exist? You, DUmbass, are living in a representative republic. That means, DUmbass, you do not vote directly on any issue of the federal government. You elect people to represent you - to vote for you. Sometimes the guy you want doing that for you is not elected by the majority in your district or your state. Sometimes your choice is elected. Either way, we all live with it.
The United States is not governed by polls. If it was, all we would need is a really big set of three computers in Washington. We could input polling data from the various districts around the USA in the first computer which could then spit out a bill. The second computer could analyze the bill to see if it is in the best interest of the nation as a whole, and "sign" it or reject it. The third computer could take the signed bills (laws) and compare them to the information in the Constitution and pass or fail the work of the other two computers. We would have a Windsock Republic.
Instead, what we have, DUmbass, is people representing us. They know more than you do. We elected them, we have to live with their decisions whether we agree or not.
that should be laminated and handed out to all libtards.
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-27-08 04:17 PM
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2. Naomi is a very brave lady in calling it what it is, treason.
It's time that every citizen in this country who cares about our democracy backs her in this, calling it what it is, treason.
Why the hell do they always think someone is brave for exercising a constitutional right? When you consider they use words like "treason", "impeachment", "I hate (insert person/organization they're obsessing about this hour here)", etc. every day. But here comes Ms. Wolf writing an op ed on a site that is sometimes nuttier than DU but that 99.9999% of the population (including the majority of congress) won't even see and would laugh hysterically if they did, and they're ready to give her a purple fricken heart.
Cindie
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I doubt congress will hold congress in contempt...I'll get the president on this right away.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, Naomi Wolf is an idiot. I really can't stand this woman.
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Naomi Wolf
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So let me get this straight. The Democrats in Congress cannot even get their own members together to defend the Constitution against a supremely unpopular executive who has essentially spit in their faces, eaten their lunch and the nation's, and publicly called them out as powerless.
Upon realizing their political power was impotent and their existence irrelevant, a DUmmy responds with:
(http://blog.kievukraine.info/uploaded_images/2025-754582.jpg)
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Naomi who?
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Naomi who?
(http://i25.tinypic.com/2h4e3qs.jpg)
This is all you need to know about the harpie.
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Naomi who?
(http://i25.tinypic.com/2h4e3qs.jpg)
This is all you need to know about the harpie.
She needs a shave and a hair cut.