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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on October 23, 2008, 08:52:02 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3558091
Oh my.
But damn, Doug's ex-wife isn't at the bonfire to justify her favorite dictator.
Robbien (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-22-08 01:35 PM
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Engineers charged in Venezuelan blackouts
Source: Associated Press
Venezuela's state news agency says three engineers have been charged with presumed involvement in a power outage across central and western Venezuela.
The state-run Bolivarian News Agency says a local court in Venezuela's southern city of Ciudad Guayana has charged the maintenance workers with the "culpable favoring of sabotage."
They were employed by state-owned electricity company Electrificacion del Caroni CA.
The blackout left Venezuela's capital and 10 states without power for some 45 minutes Sunday.
Read more: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/10/22/news/LT-Venez...
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Why would there be saboteurs? Answer in another article:
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-36045...
A large power blackout hit Venezuela on Sunday in the latest of a series of electricity grid failures that have become a political liability for President Hugo Chavez in the OPEC nation.
Sunday's blackout hit areas in and around the capital Caracas, at least three other major cities and a tourist coastal region, residents said. A top electricity official told state television eight central states were affected although power was gradually being restored in some areas.
Still, this blackout was set to cause less disruption to Venezuelans than previous large ones this year that struck on weekday afternoons, causing chaos for commuters. . .
While he has warned voters that improvements could take time, polls show Venezuelans are increasingly concerned about the blackouts as he faces tough regional elections across the country in little over a month.. . .
Political analysts say now that he has resolved the food shortages, the blackouts could come to symbolize for voters Chavez's failings.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-36045...
UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-22-08 01:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. waiting to see if he will leave office is voted out.
Tempest (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-22-08 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. What makes you think he won't?
He has accepted the defeat of the referendum and has given no indication he plans on an end run around it.
UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-22-08 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Just a gut feeling
Name removed (0 posts) Wed Oct-22-08 02:26 PM
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7. Deleted message
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-22-08 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. what are you talking about ?
harmonicon (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-22-08 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. The fact is, Chavez isn't white
Some people will come up with all of the excuses in the world for saying shit about him, but they would never say those things about white democratically elected leaders. Does anyone question if Sarkozy would step down if voted out of office? No. Bill Clinton when he was voted out? No. Gordon Brown? No. Angela Merkel? No. Zapatero? No. Even Berlusconi - no, they don't question it. It seems however to be very easy to demean people with black and brown skin, no matter what the facts show. I can't believe that this shit is tolerated around here. It amazes me.
Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-22-08 05:20 PM
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18. You're not the only one who believes that. They are able to discharge a whole lot of hatred against a man of color, and against the absurd ignorance-based fear of a political system they don't have the ambition to learn anything about.
Pathetic.
This is the kind of fertile soil our propagandists crave, as they are all such easy "pickin's." Doesn't take a lot to get them foaming at the mouth and shaking their little fists at "enemies" of the criminals among us.
harmonicon (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-22-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. smears I see about Latin Americans here remind me of the right-wing smears against Obama
Legitimately elected democratic leaders are accused of being some sort of "closet dictator", based on a "feeling". I don't see how that's any different than people thinking that Obama is a "secret Muslim", or a "socialist", based on no facts, but only "feeling".
Some things like that wouldn't be allowed on DU, but others run rampant. It's all the same: "the dark skinned man can't possibly hold himself to the same ethical standards as a white man, because of his animal blood."
WriteDown (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-22-08 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #15
23. ?
Bush is white and I am not so sure he will leave office. Hitler, Mussolini, Putin are all white. I've found that racists tend to interpret innocent comments as being racial if they harbor these feelings themselves. I for one think the post was making fun of Chavez for being fat.
harmonicon (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-22-08 07:51 PM
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25. There are reasons to have those suspicions about BUsh, Mussolini, and Putin
All are corrupt, and involved with questionable elections. Chavez is an above the board democratically elected leader. The number of times that I have to point out on this message board that Chavez is a democratically elected leader and has never once been shown to be corrupt or dishonest amazes me. I have to start to wonder if the reason people demean the man based on no facts but only "feelings" might have something to do with their feelings towards people with dark skin, especially when it's coming from someone who I've seen make racist statements on this message board before.
ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-23-08 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #29
35. Mugabe was voted out but he still holds power color has nothing to do with it
harmonicon (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-23-08 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. and?
What does that have to do with anything? Pointing out that a black man was voted out of office but hasn't relinquished power isn't related to others thinking that another non-white person being voted out of office also wouldn't leave? Mugabe has ruined his country's economy and used violence and corrupt courts to destroy opposition. Chavez has presided over massive economic growth for his country, and has proven to an honest and democratic leader. For someone to accuse him of doing something illegal or undemocratic based on no facts what-so-ever seems like the person making the accusation must have an agenda to be smearing the man's reputation.
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After which follows comments about the power grid.
Pavulon (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-22-08 08:35 PM
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28. free...free falling..oil prices will jack up petro states with single thread economies.
Not like any multinational is going to invest cash in there. I am sure we can sell them some modern generation, distribution, and monitoring systems..for cash up front.
The man in red is a che wannabe. Seems like hard times are on the way for hugo. Maybe he can sell back the migs.
Oh shit, russia is an oil state too.
AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-22-08 03:43 PM
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16. Looks like Chavez caught himself some wreckers
Now the people know who to blame. Damn engineers, they are always trying to **** with the rights of the people.
Rumor has it some doctors are plotting against Chavez also...
cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-22-08 06:14 PM
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21. Sounds like the old Soviet Union
Something goes wrong, find a low level person and hang the saboteur sign around his neck.
It's a hodgepodge of a bonfire of various sorts of comments; one really really really wishes Doug's ex-wife had shown up, so as to give clarity and accuracy to this discussion of her man.
Now, while the Judi Lynn primitive is p.r.ing Yugo out of the goodness of her heart, it's apparently the harmonious primitive is someone on the payroll of the Venezuelan embassy, if not in the Venezuelan embassy itself.
Such has happened on Skins's island before; nothing new there.
This is a rather lousy condensation of the bonfire; it's well worth one spending the time and trouble of rowing over to Skins's island to see it in its entirety, and it's not like it's a mile long.
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Man,holding that many contradictory beliefs in ones head at the same time must be painful.
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Has is Chavez not white? His ancestors came from Spain, I.e. Europe. Oh, they intermingled with the natives. Well, SO DID OURS! Hell, I'm part Cherokee, as I'm pretty f'n sure, many on this board are. Native, not Cherokee.
So, how the **** is Chavez not white?
Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid. Those are the races, DUmbasses. Pick one. I don't think he's the first or last. ....and if he's the last, then so am I.
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Bill Clinton when he was voted out?
Where's the Whiskey Tango Foxtrot pic?
I never knew Slick was voted out of office.................I thought he left office after his two terms ALLOWED under the law
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Has is Chavez not white? His ancestors came from Spain, I.e. Europe. Oh, they intermingled with the natives. Well, SO DID OURS! Hell, I'm part Cherokee, as I'm pretty f'n sure, many on this board are. Native, not Cherokee.
So, how the **** is Chavez not white?
Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid. Those are the races, DUmbasses. Pick one. I don't think he's the first or last. ....and if he's the last, then so am I.
He's a melon head. His ancestors intermingled with cantaloupe or honey dew or something. Probably mush melon.
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He's a melon head. His ancestors intermingled with cantaloupe or honey dew or something. Probably mush melon.
His(Chavez) head is bigger than Cavatos....
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His(Chavez) head is bigger than Cavatos....
He also sort of looks like a character who escaped from a Dilbert cartoon.
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Ole Hugo has been spending all the peoples money on tanks, migs and AK-47's in case the evil US decides to invade. :mental: :mental: