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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: paladin0 on October 19, 2008, 08:16:43 AM
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Colin Powell has turned his back on the troops and has endorsed Barak Obama for President. I've lost a lot of respect for him today.
Paladin0
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Colin Powell has turned his back on the troops and has endorsed Barak Obama for President. I've lost a lot of respect for him today.
Paladin0
We all know Powell was a big lib politically anyway.
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I still have a lot of respect for Colin Powell. He has done so much for our country. But I do feel let down by his decision to support the Obamessiah. No doubt the left will suddenly love him and maybe even quit calling him an uncle tom.
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Oh yeah, he is a total sellout. Wow -- the freepers are going to tear him to shreds. I hope he likes his new digs at the DU.
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Colin Powell is still a great man who has done more for this country then most of us will ever dream of doing. He spent 35 years fighting for what he just did. Making a personal choice for who he'd like to see as President. I hope everyone here will honor that choice of his, and still give him the respect he has earned and deserves.
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Now as for the politics of this issue...
I'm afraid this may be the nail that seals McCains coffin. He's without a doubt the biggest "black" politician out there. Not to mention his republican background. Throwing his support behind Obama is going to make a lot of undecideds wonder why someone who served such a long time as a Republican is now supporting a Democrat. Everyone (not including DUmpmonkeys) hold a lot of respect for him, and know him to be a pretty intelligent man who isn't going to vote based solely apon race.
It's gonna raise a lot of questions, and it's only going to hurt McCain. This late in the race, it's probably the most damaging thing I could see happening.
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Colin Powell is still a great man who has done more for this country then most of us will ever dream of doing. He spent 35 years fighting for what he just did. Making a personal choice for who he'd like to see as President. I hope everyone here will honor that choice of his, and still give him the respect he has earned and deserves.
There are a great deal of veterans in the military who served under his command who would disagree with you strongly. He dedicated his life to the military and for that I am grateful. However going on National television to support the candidate who voted against our troops, and has written the blueprints for surrender is not anything to respect.
You know Powell donated $2,500 to the McCain campaign too, which I am sure was never questioned when he made his endorsement.
Powell wants to play politics with the big boys then he has to take the hits that go with that.
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Now as for the politics of this issue...
I'm afraid this may be the nail that seals McCains coffin. He's without a doubt the biggest "black" politician out there. Not to mention his republican background. Throwing his support behind Obama is going to make a lot of undecideds wonder why someone who served such a long time as a Republican is now supporting a Democrat. Everyone (not including DUmpmonkeys) hold a lot of respect for him, and know him to be a pretty intelligent man who isn't going to vote based solely apon race.
It's gonna raise a lot of questions, and it's only going to hurt McCain. This late in the race, it's probably the most damaging thing I could see happening.
Colin Powell was the man who the press tore to shreds because he "lied" to the UN about WMDs. He also disagreed with GWB and Rumsfeld on Iraq as he thought the proper way to handle Iraq would be to bomb it to hell, then rebuild what is left -- that of course would be resultant in absolute disaster for our mission in the entire region.
This would have helped McCain somewhat had Powell endorsed him, but it really isn't going to hurt him.
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Lets just say, I'm disappointed and let it go at that.
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... He's without a doubt the biggest "black" politician out there. Not to mention his republican background. ...
Yeah, our Secretary of State don't count.
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Colin Powell was the man who the press tore to shreds because he "lied" to the UN about WMDs. He also disagreed with GWB and Rumsfeld on Iraq as he thought the proper way to handle Iraq would be to bomb it to hell, then rebuild what is left -- that of course would be resultant in absolute disaster for our mission in the entire region.
This would have helped McCain somewhat had Powell endorsed him, but it really isn't going to hurt him.
Your looking at it from the wrong point of view. Your viewing it as a partisan. Not as an undecided voter who doesn't delve as much into politics as we do. Their not the types who saw the screed posted online about his speech to the UN. Their the types who know Colid Powell as a national hero who has served this nation his whole life as a Soldier, National Security Advisor, and Secretary of State, under both Republican and Democratic governments.
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Yeah, our Secretary of State don't count.
When Condeleeza Rice has been in the national spotlite half as long as Colid Powell has...
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We all know Powell was a big lib politically anyway.
Yup.
But I have a guess that the McCain camp knew this was coming considering Michael Powell is on the McCain staff.
His answers on MTP sounded like he knew the questions before hand.
Gee you think Harry Belafonte will retract his "House Negro" comment now?
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Colin Powell is still a great man who has done more for this country then most of us will ever dream of doing. He spent 35 years fighting for what he just did. Making a personal choice for who he'd like to see as President. I hope everyone here will honor that choice of his, and still give him the respect he has earned and deserves.
While Colin Powell did a lot for the country, what he did today was turn his back on it and the troops he once served with. He of all people saw first hand what Clinton and the democratic congress did to our troops. He knows that our troops will suffer greatly under an Obama administration, and for the sake of having a black president he's willing to see defeat in Iraq, greater U.S. casualties in Afghanistan and a loss of benefits for our veterans?
Paladin0
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Call me unsurprised.
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Another sucker voting for the Obamessiah because he looks black.
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Colin Powell is still a great man who has done more for this country then most of us will ever dream of doing. He spent 35 years fighting for what he just did. Making a personal choice for who he'd like to see as President. I hope everyone here will honor that choice of his, and still give him the respect he has earned and deserves.
I give him respect for what he has done.
But this decision to support a neophyte and dilettante who pals around with terrorists and WHO WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY saddens me greatly. I know many Americans are stupid -- I just didn't think that he was.
But then again, I am not Black, so I guess I can't understand his decision completely.
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Some of his reasons.
Speaking with reporters after his appearance on NBC, Powell said that part of the reason he is supporting Obama is because he did not like the negative tone of John McCain's campaign, which has noted the links between Obama and domestic terrorist William Ayers.
"It troubled me. We have two wars. We have economic problems, we have health problems. ... Those are the problems the American people want to hear about, not about Mr. Ayers, not about who's a Muslim and not a Muslim. Those kind of images going out on Al Jazeera are killing us around the world," he said.
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Powell, who described himself as still a Republican, added that he also doesn't like the McCain camp's decision to call Obama a socialist because he wants to raise taxes on individuals and businesses making more than $250,000 a year.
"Taxes are always a redistribution of money. Most of the taxes that are redistributed go back to those who pay it -- in roads and airports and hospitals and schools -- and taxes are necessary for the common good, and there's nothing wrong with examining what our tax structure is and who should be paying more, who should be paying less. And for us to say that makes you a socialist I think is an unfortunate characterization and is inaccurate," he said.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/19/colin-powell-endorses-obama/
And for the record, I just absolutely love the knee-jerk "he's voting Obama cause he's black" reactions. /sarcasm
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I would like to have thought he would rise above race but I knew he wouldn't. And how nice of him to put it off till now when BHO needed something positive to rebound from J-T-P.
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Some of his reasons.
Some of his reasons are crap.
And for the record, I just absolutely love the knee-jerk "he's voting Obama cause he's black" reactions. /sarcasm
I guess that knee jerk reaction you're mocking includes Powell himself right?
Colin Powell, the first African-American Secretary of State, said this afternoon that electing an African-American US president would be “electrifying†for the world, but he said he still remains undecided between McCain and Obama.
Electrifying? Might as well have called him The Messiah. :whatever:
Powell was always a "Political" type of officer anyway. He's siding with who he thinks is most likely to give him a job in the next administration.
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Front Page, NY Times — Powell admits that he is anti-Republican this election.
The McCain campaign has sought to promote the idea that Mr. Obama is “palling around with terrorists,†in the words of Mr. McCain’s running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, because of Mr. Obama’s weak links to Mr. Ayers.
“I thought that was over the top,†Mr. Powell told reporters. “It was beyond just good political fighting back and forth.â€
Mr. Powell also told reporters on Sunday that he was troubled that a number of Americans believe that Mr. Obama is a Muslim, although he did not directly link that supposition to the McCain campaign. At a recent town-hall style meeting, Mr. McCain told an audience member who said she thought that Mr. Obama was an “Arab,†“no, ma’am, he’s a decent family man.â€
“These are the kinds of images going out on Al Jazeera that are killing us around the world,†Mr. Powell said. “And we have got to say to the world it doesn’t make any difference who you are and what you are. If you’re an American you’re an American.â€
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Well Powell :bird:
I commend you for your service to this country, but you just went into the same column as Wesley Clark.
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Your looking at it from the wrong point of view. Your viewing it as a partisan. Not as an undecided voter who doesn't delve as much into politics as we do. Their not the types who saw the screed posted online about his speech to the UN. Their the types who know Colid Powell as a national hero who has served this nation his whole life as a Soldier, National Security Advisor, and Secretary of State, under both Republican and Democratic governments.
... then they don't watch Meet the Press.
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... then they don't watch Meet the Press.
Meet the Press is not the only one reporting this.
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Point being, if he's "anti-Republican" this cycle by some wave of the Magic Wand, why wasn't he against Bush in 2004 when Powell's stances coincided much more closely with Kerry's stand in 2004 than Obama's now?
If Obama wins, it'll be interesting to see what part Powell plays in the administration, and don't think for a second he won't be thrown a bone over this one.
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Meet the Press is not the only one reporting this.
OMG really? You mean the MSM picked this up and are running it ad naseum? I am in shock.
Tell me, what exactly would have happened had Powell endorsed McCain?
The pundits would claim it is a yawner and no big deal -- and certainly not the catalyst to change the dymanic of his campaign standing. However, Powell -- who makes some pretty disturbing, baffling and weak arguments for endorsing Obama, is somehow the nail in the coffin for McCain.
I question his waiting it out until 2 weeks prior to the election, and really am not buying the undecided excuse. Powell is too political active for that comment to sell.
I really don't see this being such a great deal.
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OMG really? You mean the MSM picked this up and are running it ad naseum? I am in shock.
Tell me, what exactly would have happened had Powell endorsed McCain?
The pundits would claim it is a yawner and no big deal -- and certainly not the catalyst to change the dymanic of his campaign standing. However, Powell -- who makes some pretty disturbing, baffling and weak arguments for endorsing Obama, is somehow the nail in the coffin for McCain.
I question his waiting it out until 2 weeks prior to the election, and really am not buying the undecided excuse. Powell is too political active for that comment to sell.
I really don't see this being such a great deal.
It is a big deal.
Obama is now supported by one of the most pro-war politicians in the Untied States.
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Call me unsurprised.
Ditto. Let's not forget his "Powell Doctrine" from JCS days, which was the basis for the totally unrealistic strategy Powell (As SoS) and Rumsfeld (As SECDEF) put together for the Iraq War. His subsequent conflicts with Rumsfeld when it didn't work as planned seriously damaged the Powell trademark with both Left and Right, for different reasons. A Colin Powell endorsement now is worth a fraction of what it was worth eight, or even four, years ago.
I expected him to do this myself, I don't think it's really going to change many minds.
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It is a big deal.
Obama is now supported by one of the most pro-war politicians in the Untied States.
And that'll hold REAL well with the moonbat left base.
Rove, you magnificent bastard!!!
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Obama is now supported by one of the most pro-war politicians in the Untied States.
McCain is endorsing Obama?
I thought Powell was?
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It is a big deal.
Obama is now supported by one of the most pro-war politicians in the Untied States.
His support for Obama has been set for quite sometime now.
Former secretary of state Colin L. Powell said yesterday that the United States is losing what he described as a "civil war" in Iraq and that he is not persuaded that an increase in U.S. troops there would reverse the situation. Instead, he called for a new strategy that would relinquish responsibility for Iraqi security to the government in Baghdad sooner rather than later, with a U.S. drawdown to begin by the middle of next year.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/17/AR2006121700494.html
Race
Powell condemned controversial remarks by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor of 20 years, as "deplorable" but complimented Obama for his speech on race:
"Rev. Wright is also somebody who has made enormous contributions in his community and has turned a lot of lives around," Powell said, "And so, I have to put that in context with these very offensive comments that he made, which I reject out of hand."
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"I think that Sen. Obama handled the issue well . . . he didn't look the other way. He didn't wait for the, for the, you know, for the storm to go over. He went on television, and I thought, gave a very, very thoughtful, direct speech. And he didn't abandon the minister who brought him closer to his faith," Powell told Sawyer.
http://cayankee.blogs.com/cayankee/2008/04/colin-powell-on.html
June 13, 2008, 1:42 pm
Colin Powell Sees McCain-Obama Race as Tough Choice
Susan Davis reports on the presidential race.
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said it’s not out of the question that he may support expected Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama in the race against John McCain.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/13/colin-powell-sees-mccain-obama-race-as-tough-choice/
But Colin Powell, former general for President Bush I and former secretary of state for President Bush II, gave Wolf Blitzer on CNN some hints about his thinking during a Friday interview. One of them: he may vote for a Democrat or independent, which he said last summer on "Meet the Press." Here's what he said Friday:
I am watching this race with the greatest of interest, and I know all of the leading candidates. Now, I don't know Mr. Huckabee as well as I know Senator McCain and Senator Obama and Senator Clinton, but I am watching this.
And I will ultimately vote for the person I believe brings to the American people the kind of vision the American people want to see for the next four years. A vision that reaches out to the rest of the world, that starts to restore confidence in America, that starts to restore favorable ratings to America.
Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years. I am going to be looking for the candidate that seems to me to be leading a party that is fully in sync with the candidate, and a party that will also reflect America's goodness and America's vision.
And I will be looking for the candidate that I think will be the most competent candidate. The one who can deal with problems and bring the government together with the Congress to solve these problems.And so I know them all. I am a Republican, but I am keeping my options open at the moment.
And I am in touch with the candidates. And anybody who wants to talk to me about an issue, I'll do so. But sooner or later, as any other American, I will make my choice.
Hmm, a party "fully in sync with the candidate" and "We've lost a lot in recent years..." Let's see, which party could he possibly be thinking about?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/colin-powell-wi.html
Colin Powell echoes a Barack Obama talking point
Colin Powell on "Good Morning America" today sounded like he was giving Barack Obama's talking points when it comes to the experience question.
ABC News' Dianne Sawyer asked Powell what he made of the presidential candidate's "relative lack" of seasoning as a national and international figure.
"He doesn't have experience at the senior levels of national government. But I've seen other individuals come along who didn't have that breadth of experience and what they do is surround themselves with people who do bring that experience.
"With Sen. Obama, he didn't have a lot of experience running a presidential campaign, did he? But he seems to know how to organize a task and he seems to know how to apply resources to a problem at hand. So that gives me some indication that (with) his inexperience in foreign affairs or domestic affairs, he may be someone who can learn quickly."
This is a point Obama has made repeatedly -- that he should be judged by voters in large part on the presidential campaign he has put together, whose success can't be denied.
In references to Iraq, he has argued that experience does not trump judgment -- a bid to spotlight his early opposition, while an Illinois state senator, to the war there.
And, as the New York Times reported in this story, at a fundraiser Sunday in San Francisco he mocked what government officials really learn when going abroad on "fact-finding" trips while touting his own travels, such as a stop in Pakistan he made as a college student.
Powell, ever the diplomat and shrewd inside-the-Beltway navigator, this morning maintained the political stance that first drew attention almost a year ago, saying he liked all three presidential candidates and considered them good friends.
But he really sounded like an Obama man.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/colin-powell-wi.html
Colin Powell edging closer to Barack Obama?
As the general election campaign evolves, retired Gen. Colin Powell may be assuming the role that Al Gore occupied during the battle for the Democratic presidential nomination -- the big "get," the potential endorser whose backing would cause quite a stir.
Gore, of course, never did choose sides; he bestowed his formal embrace on Barack Obama after Hillary Clinton had conceded the race.
But Powell has given indications that he will make a public pick. And speculation that he's leaning toward Obama is sure to go up a notch with word from the National Journal's "Hotline on Call" that the two met privately two weeks ago in Powell's office in Alexandria, Va.
The Hotline item reported that a Powell spokeswoman said that the tete-a-tete occurred June 18 and lasted about an hour.
The Powell aide, Peggy Cifrino, termed it "an informal conversation" and added, "There’s no looming endorsement. They came to talk about issues."
Cifrano also noted that her boss had met with John McCain a week earlier. But news of the Powell/Obama chat comes on the heels of a Robert Novak column opining that President Bush's former secetary of State "probably will enter Obama's camp at a time of his own choosing."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/07/colin-powell-ed.html
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As a key reason, Powell said: "I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14714.html
I don't know about you guys, but I hear Republicans says this all the time...........
:whatever:
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Some of his reasons.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/19/colin-powell-endorses-obama/
And for the record, I just absolutely love the knee-jerk "he's voting Obama cause he's black" reactions. /sarcasm
Do you honestly think that he'll come out and say "I'm only voting for him because he's black?" Those are rehashed Obama talking points, I expected better from Powell.
For the record, I had a deep respect for the man, and I would have supported his bid to be President. He would have been someone that I could point out to my kids about honor and integrity. Now, not anymore.
How much you want to bet he'll be Obama's Sec of Defence so Obama can run around claiming to be bi-partisan?
Paladin0
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Powells endorsement of Obama not a big Surprise to me. It's a little about policy and a lot about helping a brother out,ya know. Fo' snizzle.
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I'm not really surprised. Color trumps everything I suppose. What a disappointment. McCain must be flipping out.
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I'm not really surprised. Color trumps everything I suppose. What a disappointment. McCain must be flipping out.
I'm not surprised either. I've been seeing the 'color trumps everything' attitude in my own neighborhood among blacks who I KNOW have absolutely no vested interest in anything politically Obama is pimping. I've already been disappointed by people in my own neighborhood so this is no shock at this point.
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BTW...I do not believe this will help Obama....I think this will mobilize white voters to go out and vote for McCain. This is radical racism. Powell, the Secretary of State of one of the most hawkish republican presidents ever, crosses the aisle to the most liberal senator??? Anyone would be quite naive to presume this is anything but a racial cast vote.
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I'm not really surprised. Color trumps everything I suppose. What a disappointment. McCain must be flipping out.
It is an strange phenomenon.Many a blacks will sell out Ideals for color. They will deny it to the bone but they do it time & again.
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It is an strange phenomenon.Many a blacks will sell out Ideals for color. They will deny it to the bone but they do it time & again.
One of my colleagues, a republican, former captain of the army, boasted about being a "card-carrying republican" for years. He is black. I asked him last week who he was voting for..., "Obama".
Not shocked...just confirmed my fear that blacks are coming out in droves voting for a president because of his skin color.
I can say with certainty color would not affect my vote. If Michael Steele were running against John Kerry, It would NEVER enter my mind to vote against my ideals because the white guy was in the Dem. Party. It' something I just can't fathom or understand.
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It is an strange phenomenon.Many a blacks will sell out Ideals for color. They will deny it to the bone but they do it time & again.
They have been brought up that way. Most other minorities (Latinos are on the bubble) come here and work hard to get out of abject poverty. The Black population is brought up with the clear message: You can't compete, only fools play at Whitey's Game of Success, keep your hand out and it will get filled.
This means that when one of Their Own is in a position to take care of them, both hands go out to be filled.
That is why Conservative Blacks are so hated by the left -- they won't fill them hands.
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I'm not surprised either. I've been seeing the 'color trumps everything' attitude in my own neighborhood among blacks who I KNOW have absolutely no vested interest in anything politically Obama is pimping. I've already been disappointed by people in my own neighborhood so this is no shock at this point.
Yes, everywhere with few exceptions.
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When he complained about McCain using Ayers, it signalled to me a total sell-out. He of all people should know the importance of who you surround yourself with.
Paladin0
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It scares me that he might be the next SecDef. He sat back as CJCS and let Clinton gut the military.
Obama...IMHO would be ten times worse as far as the Armed Forces are concerned than BJ Bill ever was.
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It scares me that he might be the next SecDef. He sat back as CJCS and let Clinton gut the military.
Obama...IMHO would be ten times worse as far as the Armed Forces are concerned than BJ Bill ever was.
He didn't do a real hot job as SecState either. In fact his "Powell Doctrine" legacy from being CJCS during Gulf 1 had a lot to do with screwing up Iraq pretty royally in 2003. Between the two positions he held, he managed to dig a hole it took four years and Rumsfeld's departure to work out of.
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Even during the Gulf War it took a direct order from his boss...SecDef Cheney to actually going form digging in defensively in Saudi Arabia to actually kicking Saddam out of Kuwait.
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obama should reject powell's endorsement and repudiate his role in the war that obama has been decrying as wrong for
5 years. or she should STFU and admit that he is even negotiable on that, along with everything else that he has done
a 180 on since he snuck through the primaries.
Reporter: Mr. Secretary, there were a number of chinks in your own armor, actually, because of the lead-up to the Iraq war and the events. How much did that play into your decision about this? And will it be taken perhaps by some, because of your previous high-profile position, won't it be taken by some as a repudiation of the Iraq war?
Powell: I don't know why. The Iraq war is the Iraq war. We now see that things are a lot better in Iraq. Maybe if we had put a surge in at the beginning, it would have been a lot better years ago, but it's a lot better now, and we can see ahead to where U.S. forces will start to come out. And so, my concern was not my past or what happened in Iraq, but where we're going in the future. My sole concern was where are we going after January 20 of 2009, not what happened in 2003.
I'm well aware of the role I played. My role has been very, very straightforward. I wanted to avoid a war. The president agreed with me. We tried to do that. We couldn't get it through the U.N. and when the president made the decision, I supported that decision. And I've never blinked from that. I've never said I didn't support a decision to go to war.
More (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/19/powell.transcript/?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail)
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It has been painfully clear to me that race trumps reality ever since the first OJ verdict. The way both communities viewed the verdict was a real eye-opener to me.
Powell's choice was no surprise at all.
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Colin Powell is still a great man who has done more for this country then most of us will ever dream of doing. He spent 35 years fighting for what he just did. Making a personal choice for who he'd like to see as President. I hope everyone here will honor that choice of his, and still give him the respect he has earned and deserves.
I too respect and honor his choice.
We all have the choice to endorse who we want. I will not deny him his choice.
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Colin Powell is still a great man who has done more for this country then most of us will ever dream of doing. He spent 35 years fighting for what he just did. Making a personal choice for who he'd like to see as President. I hope everyone here will honor that choice of his, and still give him the respect he has earned and deserves.
I have to agree here. While I do not agree with his decision - in fact it pisses me off - I can not denigrate the man. His long-term service to this nation far out weighs this single decision of his. From the way I see it - Mr. Powell has seen his share of fighting and human suffering to believe that supporting Obama will change that suffering in the future. As I stated, I do not agree with Mr. Powell's decision because I feel that while an Obama president may relieve human suffering - the human suffering involved will be that of those that wish to destroy this nation. In fact, the human suffering of Americans will increase when Obama begins his socialist rule of this nation. After that begins, I will have no other choice than to blame my neighbors that voted for that commie Marxist pig Obama. Let the cards fall where they may...
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I too respect and honor his choice.
We all have the choice to endorse who we want. I will not deny him his choice.
Trashing the Repub. party was uncalled for. Had it not been for Repub. Presidents, I doubt he would have attained his lofty positions in the military and in the Bush cabinet. I put him in the same category as Dick Morris in that respect.
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Before everyone splooges all over themselves about his fantastic military record, it's important to bear in mind that it's very much more a record of success in the bureaucratic Pentagon environment rather than the muddy boots Army or distinction in combat. While he undoubtedly performed valuable service (indispensible service, probably not, despite what it no doubt says in his and every other General's award recommendations) while rising through staff ranks at the five-sided palace, in all honestly he was groomed for ultimate success very much the same way Obama has been during his own ascendancy. The 'General' character in Mars Attacks is largely a parody of Powell.
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All I see the Powell endorsement as is one more reason for PUMAs to jump on the McCain Train.
Many PUMAs dislike him, as they blame his presentation as what motivated congress to vote for the Iraq war. Others see the hypocrisy of Obama who did nothing but bash Hillary as a war supporter during the primaries, while he now waves the Powell endorsement around like a flag.
Normally, I would be concerned about an endorsement like this so close to the election, but this election is anything but normal.
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Before everyone splooges all over themselves about his fantastic military record, it's important to bear in mind that it's very much more a record of success in the bureaucratic Pentagon environment rather than the muddy boots Army or distinction in combat. While he undoubtedly performed valuable service (indispensible service, probably not, despite what it no doubt says in his and every other General's award recommendations) while rising through staff ranks at the five-sided palace, in all honestly he was groomed for ultimate success very much the same way Obama has been during his own ascendancy. The 'General' character in Mars Attacks is largely a parody of Powell.
He is no General Petreaus that is for sure.
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Trashing the Repub. party was uncalled for. Had it not been for Repub. Presidents, I doubt he would have attained his lofty positions in the military and in the Bush cabinet. I put him in the same category as Dick Morris in that respect.
The only reason why he is a registered Republican is because he is military, and thus knows were his bread and butter comes from.
Obama mut have promised him the moon and more, which I hope he gets burned on -- karma and all that.
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The only reason why he is a registered Republican is because he is military, and thus knows were his bread and butter comes from.
Obama mut have promised him the moon and more, which I hope he gets burned on -- karma and all that.
His remark about not wanting to see any more Conservative Supreme Court judicial appointments says it all. If that's a Republican, who needs Democrats? Powell is about as Republican as Joe Liebermann - pretty much stands with them solely on the issue of the war (in which he has a huge personal investment of ego, responsibbility, and legacy himself), but nothing else.
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Well Powell :bird:
I commend you for your service to this country, but you just went into the same column as Wesley Clark.
...and John Murtha.
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Speaking with reporters after his appearance on NBC, Powell said that part of the reason he is supporting Obama is because he did not like the negative tone of John McCain's campaign, which has noted the links between Obama and domestic terrorist William Ayers.
"It troubled me. We have two wars. We have economic problems, we have health problems. ... Those are the problems the American people want to hear about, not about Mr. Ayers, not about who's a Muslim and not a Muslim. Those kind of images going out on Al Jazeera are killing us around the world," he said.
I will give him the respect he deserves for his service to this country but a statement like that will never get my respect.
You are worried about what Al Jazeera thinks??
The mouthpiece of a group that has sworn their hatred and desire to kill us??
Guess what Sec.Powell...if the candidate you just endorsed wins you will have your wish as Al Jazeera wil be celebrating.
They still will want to and will try to kill us but they will be celebrating and you can take pride in that I suppose.
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He is no General Petreaus that is for sure.
Hell, the Bear couldn't stand him
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It is an strange phenomenon.Many a blacks will sell out Ideals for color. They will deny it to the bone but they do it time & again.
See: O. J. Simpson.
I've never liked Powell. I've allways seen him as a "reach across the isle" sellout.
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Before everyone splooges all over themselves about his fantastic military record, it's important to bear in mind that it's very much more a record of success in the bureaucratic Pentagon environment rather than the muddy boots Army or distinction in combat. While he undoubtedly performed valuable service (indispensible service, probably not, despite what it no doubt says in his and every other General's award recommendations) while rising through staff ranks at the five-sided palace, in all honestly he was groomed for ultimate success very much the same way Obama has been during his own ascendancy. The 'General' character in Mars Attacks is largely a parody of Powell.
Fitting too.
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"It troubled me. We have two wars. We have economic problems, we have health problems. ... Those are the problems the American people want to hear about, not about Mr. Ayers, not about who's a Muslim and not a Muslim".
1. No one said Ayers was Muslim... we said "TERRORIST." Here, look it up: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorist We call him a terrorist because he IS one. Yeah, it is kinda important, believe it or not.
2. You're trouble by this, yet not troubled by all the garbage about Palin's children? Interesting.
3. You speak glowingly about Gen. Patreaus, then endorse the guy who voted against Patreaus' course of action? Again, that's interesting.
The truth is you got your feelings hurt in the Bush administration and now you're "gonna show them!" Whatever. You really think Barack's got what it takes to protect this nation over John McCain? I got some news for you, Colin: he's not gonna be able to invent votes on the Security Council. ::)
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I respect him as an Officer and for his service but. He sucks as a politician and this endorsment only proves why.
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Anyone who thinks Colin Powell is going to do anything to give Obama some kind of Military “street cred†or help him with the Military is sadly mistaken.
Powell was always more of a politician in uniform than a combat leader. (Think more like Wes Clark and less David Petraeus)
He never had a division command.
He recieved a very bad OER from his Division Commander at Ft. Carson in the 80’s.
He briefly held commands at V Corps and Forces Command but in both never served the entire tour of duty. In fact he was at Forces Command less than a year.
It took a direct order from then SecDef Cheney for him to get off his @ss and actually get Saddam out of Kuwait as opposed to playing defense in Saudi Arabia.
And here is the part that chaps my ass the MOST...He sat back as CJCS and let Clinton and his military loathing hoarde gut the Military that won the Cold War.
He let Clinton slash us from 17 to 10 Divisions. Cut down Reagan’s mighty Navy and Air Force.
He was there when the stories of soldiers having to apply for Food Stamps and Welfare were all over the MSM!
And he was the top officer in the Military at a time when MG Thomas Montgomery...ground commander in Somalia was begging for ARMOR to protect his troops in Somalia and then SecDef Les Aspin REFUSED.
Aspin said no and Powell said NOTHING.
Well we know what happened as a result of that.
I served in Somalia while friends of mine got killed and stepped up to serve on active duty again in Iraq 10 years later.
I’d follow the likes of my former brigade commander Russ Gold...his battalion commanders and Generals like David Petraeus and martin Dempsey to occupy hell.
I wouldn’t follow Colin Powell across the street for a f’n ICE CREAM CONE!
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Anyone who thinks Colin Powell is going to do anything to give Obama some kind of Military “street cred†or help him with the Military is sadly mistaken.
Powell was always more of a politician in uniform than a combat leader. (Think more like Wes Clark and less David Petraeus)
He never had a division command.
He recieved a very bad OER from his Division Commander at Ft. Carson in the 80’s.
He briefly held commands at V Corps and Forces Command but in both never served the entire tour of duty. In fact he was at Forces Command less than a year.
It took a direct order from then SecDef Cheney for him to get off his @ss and actually get Saddam out of Kuwait as opposed to playing defense in Saudi Arabia.
And here is the part that chaps my ass the MOST...He sat back as CJCS and let Clinton and his military loathing hoarde gut the Military that won the Cold War.
He let Clinton slash us from 17 to 10 Divisions. Cut down Reagan’s mighty Navy and Air Force.
He was there when the stories of soldiers having to apply for Food Stamps and Welfare were all over the MSM!
And he was the top officer in the Military at a time when MG Thomas Montgomery...ground commander in Somalia was begging for ARMOR to protect his troops in Somalia and then SecDef Les Aspin REFUSED.
Aspin said no and Powell said NOTHING.
Well we know what happened as a result of that.
I served in Somalia while friends of mine got killed and stepped up to serve on active duty again in Iraq 10 years later.
I’d follow the likes of my former brigade commander Russ Gold...his battalion commanders and Generals like David Petraeus and martin Dempsey to occupy hell.
I wouldn’t follow Colin Powell across the street for a f’n ICE CREAM CONE!
Thank you...from a person that never has been able to serve his country...thank you.
I wonder today thinking about this if it isn`t what Eisenhower really was warning about when he spoke of a military industrial complex.
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.
Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html
The left has seized this as meaning anything connected to the defense of this country but I wonder now if he saw the rise of a political/military hybrid that didn`t want or care about victory but wanted a permanent defensive posture which made service a civil servant affair rather then a combat and defender of freedom one.
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I wonder today thinking about this if it isn`t what Eisenhower really was warning about when he spoke of a military industrial complex.
When I was just an FNG at TOS I got into one of these arguments with a Libtard troll trying to shove Eisenhower in my face.
I did some digging and found a speech by Ronaldus Magnus that I wish I could still find the link to.
Reagan explained that Ike wasn't warning us about the military as we know it today.
He was warning us about Communism and the USSR and how we needed to be on guard against letting it spread here.
I'd give anything to find a link to that speech again.
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Anyone who thinks Colin Powell is going to do anything to give Obama some kind of Military “street cred†or help him with the Military is sadly mistaken.
Powell was always more of a politician in uniform than a combat leader. (Think more like Wes Clark and less David Petraeus)
He never had a division command.
He recieved a very bad OER from his Division Commander at Ft. Carson in the 80’s.
He briefly held commands at V Corps and Forces Command but in both never served the entire tour of duty. In fact he was at Forces Command less than a year.
It took a direct order from then SecDef Cheney for him to get off his @ss and actually get Saddam out of Kuwait as opposed to playing defense in Saudi Arabia.
And here is the part that chaps my ass the MOST...He sat back as CJCS and let Clinton and his military loathing hoarde gut the Military that won the Cold War.
He let Clinton slash us from 17 to 10 Divisions. Cut down Reagan’s mighty Navy and Air Force.
He was there when the stories of soldiers having to apply for Food Stamps and Welfare were all over the MSM!
And he was the top officer in the Military at a time when MG Thomas Montgomery...ground commander in Somalia was begging for ARMOR to protect his troops in Somalia and then SecDef Les Aspin REFUSED.
Aspin said no and Powell said NOTHING.
Well we know what happened as a result of that.
I served in Somalia while friends of mine got killed and stepped up to serve on active duty again in Iraq 10 years later.
I’d follow the likes of my former brigade commander Russ Gold...his battalion commanders and Generals like David Petraeus and martin Dempsey to occupy hell.
I wouldn’t follow Colin Powell across the street for a f’n ICE CREAM CONE!
Thanks TRG
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Anyone who thinks Colin Powell is going to do anything to give Obama some kind of Military “street cred†or help him with the Military is sadly mistaken.
Powell was always more of a politician in uniform than a combat leader. (Think more like Wes Clark and less David Petraeus)
He never had a division command.
He recieved a very bad OER from his Division Commander at Ft. Carson in the 80’s.
He briefly held commands at V Corps and Forces Command but in both never served the entire tour of duty. In fact he was at Forces Command less than a year.
It took a direct order from then SecDef Cheney for him to get off his @ss and actually get Saddam out of Kuwait as opposed to playing defense in Saudi Arabia.
And here is the part that chaps my ass the MOST...He sat back as CJCS and let Clinton and his military loathing hoarde gut the Military that won the Cold War.
He let Clinton slash us from 17 to 10 Divisions. Cut down Reagan’s mighty Navy and Air Force.
He was there when the stories of soldiers having to apply for Food Stamps and Welfare were all over the MSM!
And he was the top officer in the Military at a time when MG Thomas Montgomery...ground commander in Somalia was begging for ARMOR to protect his troops in Somalia and then SecDef Les Aspin REFUSED.
Aspin said no and Powell said NOTHING.
Well we know what happened as a result of that.
I served in Somalia while friends of mine got killed and stepped up to serve on active duty again in Iraq 10 years later.
I’d follow the likes of my former brigade commander Russ Gold...his battalion commanders and Generals like David Petraeus and martin Dempsey to occupy hell.
I wouldn’t follow Colin Powell across the street for a f’n ICE CREAM CONE!
Amen TRG!
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Anyone who thinks Colin Powell is going to do anything to give Obama some kind of Military “street cred†or help him with the Military is sadly mistaken.
Powell was always more of a politician in uniform than a combat leader. (Think more like Wes Clark and less David Petraeus)
He never had a division command.
He recieved a very bad OER from his Division Commander at Ft. Carson in the 80’s.
He briefly held commands at V Corps and Forces Command but in both never served the entire tour of duty. In fact he was at Forces Command less than a year.
It took a direct order from then SecDef Cheney for him to get off his @ss and actually get Saddam out of Kuwait as opposed to playing defense in Saudi Arabia.
And here is the part that chaps my ass the MOST...He sat back as CJCS and let Clinton and his military loathing hoarde gut the Military that won the Cold War.
He let Clinton slash us from 17 to 10 Divisions. Cut down Reagan’s mighty Navy and Air Force.
He was there when the stories of soldiers having to apply for Food Stamps and Welfare were all over the MSM!
And he was the top officer in the Military at a time when MG Thomas Montgomery...ground commander in Somalia was begging for ARMOR to protect his troops in Somalia and then SecDef Les Aspin REFUSED.
Aspin said no and Powell said NOTHING.
Well we know what happened as a result of that.
I served in Somalia while friends of mine got killed and stepped up to serve on active duty again in Iraq 10 years later.
I’d follow the likes of my former brigade commander Russ Gold...his battalion commanders and Generals like David Petraeus and martin Dempsey to occupy hell.
I wouldn’t follow Colin Powell across the street for a f’n ICE CREAM CONE!
Thanks for your service TRG. No forgiveness here for Powell's silence over armor for troops in Somalia; there's no excuse for it, none.
Your feelings about Gold, Petraeus and Dempsey mirror my own of MG Joseph C. Lutz, COL Nick Rowe and a couple of others.
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When I was just an FNG at TOS I got into one of these arguments with a Libtard troll trying to shove Eisenhower in my face.
I did some digging and found a speech by Ronaldus Magnus that I wish I could still find the link to.
Reagan explained that Ike wasn't warning us about the military as we know it today.
He was warning us about Communism and the USSR and how we needed to be on guard against letting it spread here.
I'd give anything to find a link to that speech again.
"military industrial complex" is a strange metaphor to use for "Communism" in the US.
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See: O. J. Simpson.
I've never liked Powell. I've allways seen him as a "reach across the isle" sellout.
Me neither. A desk jockey appeaser. Little bit like Robert McNamara.
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Read my new sig...stolen from Rush.
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Read my new sig...stolen from Rush.
Name one white liberal politicial Colin Powell has endorsed.
Well, there was ....uh....maybe.....uh......then there was that.......uh....... does half white count?
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Thanks to TRG for the perspective from a serving member of the military......as an observer, during the first conflict in Iraq, I saw him (admittedly from a civilian point of view) as more of a politician than a military commander. It speaks volumes that "Stormin Norman" was the public face that was most apparent in that particular conflict.
Later, as SecState, I was very suspicious of his political motives in a number of issues where he appeared to be is conflict with the administration.....with full realization that the State Department was full of wimpy-assed liberals that were hired by previous administrations, I tended to give him the benefit of a doubt, however, if you all recall, over his political tenure as a cabinet member, he came out in favor of "affirmative action", and a number of other liberal positions on issues.......I'm therefore not surprised at his endorsement of the messiah, as I think that he has been a "closet lib" for some time.
Simply stating that one is a Republican, does not necessarily make it so......
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......as an observer, during the first conflict in Iraq, I saw him (admittedly from a civilian point of view) as more of a politician than a military commander.
A fundamentally-correct assessment, yet certainly not all his own doing in any sort of bad way. His star rose for many of the same reasons Obama's has - he was seen by his mentors and 'Godfathers' as a very positive and well-spoken exemplar for a community which was under-represented in the senior leadership, which lifted him beyond where he might perhaps have gone in a pure meritocracy with no issues of the baggage of past racial problems, or remedial racial politics flowing from them.
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^ergo...."affirmative action".....
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