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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: asdf2231 on October 14, 2008, 02:25:48 PM
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 10:10 AM
Original message
How can the RW say being a liberal is a bad thing?
What is their definition of being a liberal?
I have a tough time understanding why I'm so bad because I'm a lib. Can anyone help me out here?
Trajan (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 10:13 AM
Response to Original message
2. Because they have gotten away with this demonization for decades
Liberalism has been a rousing success for America .... to say otherwise is a lie ....
Absolutely! Remember how Liberalism won the Cold War and fixed all those problems in Africa and won the War On Poverty here at home?
derby378 (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. Not to mention that "liberal" is sometimes a code word for "Jew"
That should tell you where some of the hate is coming from.
WTF? :p
timeforarevolution (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. Do you know more of the history of this?
I've seen that alluded to in the last week...the Jew hating associated with the word "liberal" but I don't understand the thinking, nor the history.
Thanks.
derby378 (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. It's sort of a blanket hate/paranoia thing
The claim is that Jews control the media, the banks, Hollywood, and darned near everything else. And if they're telling everyone to vote Obama, well, that's all she wrote.
timeforarevolution (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. okay, so it ties in with the "liberal media" and "elite" shit.....
Probably goes back to McCarthy days. More to research...lol.
Thanks much!
Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 10:26 AM
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9. For 20 years, hate radio and Fox News have used "liberal" as a synonym for
"everything you (the uninformed middle American) don't like."
derby378 (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. In the six years since that was posted, however...
...the classic liberal position on gun legislation has evolved. Now you find an increasing number of liberals who recognize that Second Amendment rights are just as important as women's rights, gay rights, patient's rights, etc.
:rotf:
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. Not to mention that "liberal" is sometimes a code word for "Jew"
That should tell you where some of the hate is coming from.
I'm behind the times. I thought the code word for "Jew" was "Jew".
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. Not to mention that "liberal" is sometimes a code word for "Jew"
That should tell you where some of the hate is coming from.
Yet no one would throw Israel to the muzzies faster then our "liberals" of today.
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derby378
8. It's sort of a blanket hate/paranoia thing
The claim is that Jews control the media, the banks, Hollywood, and darned near everything else. And if they're telling everyone to vote Obama, well, that's all she wrote..
But in the real world...
PREPARE for a new America: That's the message that the Rev. Jesse Jackson conveyed to participants in the first World Policy Forum, held at this French lakeside resort last week.
He promised "fundamental changes" in US foreign policy - saying America must "heal wounds" it has caused to other nations, revive its alliances and apologize for the "arrogance of the Bush administration."
The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where "decades of putting Israel's interests first" would end.
Jackson believes that, although "Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades" remain strong, they'll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_o_jesse_knows_133450.htm?page=0
Exactly who is it saying Jews control things?
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Because liberal is no longer what a 'Liberal' is. Today's 'Liberal' is a totalitarian collectivist or better known as a Stalinist communist.
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Wait...isn't neocon code for "Jew" in the liberal la la land? Now I'm confused...I didn't know I was supposed to be antisemitic now. I mean I know I'm supposed to be a racist because I'm not voting for Obama and I'm anti-woman because I don't believe in killing male and female babies before they've even had a chance to draw their first breath (or those who actually survived long enough to inhale and exhale) but this is a new one.
Cindie
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Wait...isn't neocon code for "Jew" in the liberal la la land? Now I'm confused...I didn't know I was supposed to be antisemitic now. I mean I know I'm supposed to be a racist because I'm not voting for Obama and I'm anti-woman because I don't believe in killing male and female babies before they've even had a chance to draw their first breath (or those who actually survived long enough to inhale and exhale) but this is a new one.
Cindie
Quite simple: everything is code for everything else.
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 10:26 AM
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9. For 20 years, hate radio and Fox News have used "liberal" as a synonym for
"everything you (the uninformed middle American) don't like."
Fox News has been on the air for 20 years? Who knew? :mental: :mental: :mental:
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I don't hate the word liberal. I hate the fact they hijacked a good word. A Classic Liberal would have favored limited government interference in the personal lives of it's citizens.
Today's liberal is essentially an uncaring nanny. They want to give you everything they think you need and watch and approve of your every action and thought if they can. They have no notion of wants or desires or effort. The world is a wasteland to their utilitarian view.
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Wait...isn't neocon code for "Jew" in the liberal la la land? Now I'm confused...I didn't know I was supposed to be antisemitic now. I mean I know I'm supposed to be a racist because I'm not voting for Obama and I'm anti-woman because I don't believe in killing male and female babies before they've even had a chance to draw their first breath (or those who actually survived long enough to inhale and exhale) but this is a new one.
Cindie
I think "code word" is anything the DUmp wants to label. Making sense has always been optional...and an option most can't manage. :thatsright:
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. In the six years since that was posted, however... the classic liberal position on gun legislation has evolved. Now you find an increasing number of liberals who recognize that Second Amendment rights are just as important as women's rights, gay rights, patient's rights, etc.
I'm not in the mood to have the government tell me what to do while the rest of us wait for you to grow up.
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I don't hate the word liberal. I hate the fact they hijacked a good word. A Classic Liberal would have favored limited government interference in the personal lives of it's citizens.
Today's liberal is essentially an uncaring nanny. They want to give you everything they think you need and watch and approve of your every action and thought if they can. They have no notion of wants or desires or effort. The world is a wasteland to their utilitarian view.
Very cogent observation. I could, and do, respect the liberalism of FDR, Harry Truman and LBJ. After the great victories in civil rights, liberalism seems to have completely lost focus on its old values and just driven over the cliff. Unfortunately the left has also become more extreme and out of touch; many conservative leaders, after Regan, have mirrored the left's extremest and irresponsible behavior, distorting the meaning and nature of conservatism.
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The shit these fools make up is amazing if it wasn't for the fact 99% of them are brain dead, cheeto eating zombies.