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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2008 => Topic started by: RobJohnson on October 05, 2008, 11:44:53 AM
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Now that it is obvious after the Senate bail out vote, that Obama and McCain are in the same bed, why not?
Both seem to be in favor of big government, and that will simply results in big taxes down the road, if not sooner.
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One vote makes them equal?
The main issue for me is Iraq, I'd rather have our troops come home as victors with McCain instead of in defeat with Obama. I'd also hate to see Obama as President as he'll just throw more troops into Afghanistan without a plan and we'll suffer even more troop deaths and more setbacks there.
Vote for Obama and you'll be contributing to more U.S. troop deaths.
Paladin0
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Now that it is obvious after the Senate bail out vote, that Obama and McCain are in the same bed, why not?
Both seem to be in favor of big government, and that will simply results in big taxes down the road, if not sooner.
One vote doesn't make them the same... take a look at both of their records on war, abortion, taxes, education, etc. Maybe on the issue of immigration they seem the same, but I'd rather elect a RINO than an out and out Marxist who seeks to "Change" America so all we're left with is "hope".
Screw that. I'd rather take my chances with McCain than at the very least have my son in kindergarten learning how to put a condom on a banana. At the very worst, a nuke going off in NYC or Chicago because of Obama's pussiness (not a word, but it fits)when it comes to the war on terror.
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:whatever:
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:whatever:
LOL. :-)
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Sure vote for Obama, after all the next President will only have 2 or 3 Supreme Court Justices to appoint. What difference could that make?
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One vote makes them equal?
When it comes to raising my taxes it does.
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Sure vote for Obama, after all the next President will only have 2 or 3 Supreme Court Justices to appoint. What difference could that make?
None.
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Saddly, Rob, you're incorrect. See the damage RB Ginsberg's ALREADY done to the Constitution? Even ONE can make a terrable difference.
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Saddly, Rob, you're incorrect. See the damage RB Ginsberg's ALREADY done to the Constitution? Even ONE can make a terrable difference.
I think Rob is saying that Mccain would appoint the same judge as Obama :mental:
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When it comes to raising my taxes it does.
Seeing that only Obama will be raising taxes, then why vote for Obama?
Paladin0
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I refuse to believe that a vote for Obama would be the same as a vote for McCain. You have been reading this board for the past few months right?
The perfect is the enemy of the good. In a country of 300 million people, it is impossible to find a candidate who says they will do everything you would want a president to do. It's not going to happen. Period.
I'll cast my vote for McCain knowing that I don't agree with him on all issues but I certainly trust him more than I could ever trust Obama. It's not even close for me. And that says a lot since McCain was not my first, second, or even third choice.
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McCain > Obama
At the very least we get Palin out of it, who out of the four headliners is the only one who did not vote for the bailout (granted, she couldn't) and is the only one totally disconnected from all of the Washington mess.
edit: changed 'headlines' to 'headliners'
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Seeing that only Obama will be raising taxes, then why vote for Obama?
Paladin0
Who is going to pay for the bailout that McCain just voted for?
My guess would be taxpayers.
If you don't pay taxes, then I guess you don't have any thing to worry about.
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McCain > Obama
At the very least we get Palin out of it, who out of the four headlines is the only one who did not vote for the bailout (granted, she couldnt) and is the only one totally disconnected from all of the Washington mess.
True.
I doubt Gov. Palin would of voted for such foolishness.
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I think Rob is saying that Mccain would appoint the same judge as Obama :mental:
The Supreme Court wont keep taxes from going up. It seems like they mostly focus on social issues.
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The Supreme Court wont keep taxes from going up. It seems like they mostly focus on social issues.
True..............but the USSC protects us from dumbass laws(usually) and protects the constitution.
All of these damn marxist like Obama want the Constitution torn to shreds and something closer to the communist manifesto to replace it. All you need to do is look at the Dump, Kos, Huffington to see how a person like Obama wants this country to be.
Always remember that Obama has a trillion dollars in new spending. Also not all of that 700 billion is being given at once. In all things said by Obama and mcCain only Obama wants to raise your taxes. And if the oil companies move fast enough and start drilling right now since the ban is gone.........................that right there is a huge influx of capitol into the federal coffers.
No way in hell is McCain anything like Obama...................and I believe machosauce "Alfonso" says it best. "what McCain has given this country, you couldn't afford the taxes on"
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The Supreme Court wont keep taxes from going up. It seems like they mostly focus on social issues.
Google SCOTUS and line-item veto.
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True..............but the USSC protects us from dumbass laws(usually) and protects the constitution.
The Kelo decision sure sucked. Talk about ignoring the 'Intent" of the US Constitution.
This ruling is a poster child of it.
IMO anyway.
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True..............but the USSC protects us from dumbass laws(usually) and protects the constitution.
I agree with the importance of that. Most judges that make it to the SC have been lifetime politicians, which can be a problem.
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I voted absentee today. I voted for Obama. I can't wait to have three more radical liberals stacked on the Supreme Court. I mean, we really have to consider the court's "balance".
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I may vote for Bob Barr.
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Who is going to pay for the bailout that McCain just voted for?
My guess would be taxpayers.
If you don't pay taxes, then I guess you don't have any thing to worry about.
Hmmm, have to say I agree with Paladin0, your logic isn't tracking for shit on this. Based on your supposed premise, the only sane thing for you to do would be to stay home. Though insanity is a great reason to go with Obama.
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I voted absentee today. I voted for Obama. I can't wait to have three more radical liberals stacked on the Supreme Court. I mean, we really have to consider the court's "balance".
I mailed my ballot in this morning too. I voted for Sarah Palin and that guy who is running with her.
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When it comes to raising my taxes it does.
That vote raises your taxes how?
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I think Rob is saying that Mccain would appoint the same judge as Obama :mental:
Actually it wouldn't surprise me if he did.
I'll vote McCain based upon Nat'l Security issues, but there's no reason to pretend that McCain isn't more than willing to screw over conservatives just like he has in the past.
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Actually it wouldn't surprise me if he did.
I'll vote McCain based upon Nat'l Security issues, but there's no reason to pretend that McCain isn't more than willing to screw over conservatives just like he has in the past.
Obama is 100% going to screw over the conservatives, so I'll go with the chance that McCain will vs the reality that Obama is.
Also, my wife isn't able to get out of the Military until the first year of the next term is over, so I'll feel much safer with McCain than Obama.
Paladin0
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I have to go with McCain. Sure, they will probably both pick your pocket, but at least with McCain I'm pretty sure he won't be inviting folks dressed in bathrobes and towels over to separate your head from your body.
I really don't know if it matters though. According to all the MSM outlets Obama has already won. As I read some of their "news" articles I sometimes wonder if the election has was held last week without my knowledge.
Which brings me to another thing. I love Fox News, but I've always been willing to admit that it has a conservative tilt. Lately I'm not so sure. I'm beginning to wonder if I'm so used to seeing the extreme left-wing bias of the MSM that Fox just SEEMS to have a conservative tilt.
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Well, there's this:
The Walrus and The Carpenter
Lewis Carroll
(from Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There, 1872)
The sun was shining on the sea,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The billows smooth and bright--
And this was odd, because it was
The middle of the night.
The moon was shining sulkily,
Because she thought the sun
Had got no business to be there
After the day was done--
"It's very rude of him," she said,
"To come and spoil the fun!"
The sea was wet as wet could be,
The sands were dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud, because
No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying overhead--
There were no birds to fly.
The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
"If this were only cleared away,"
They said, "it would be grand!"
"If seven maids with seven mops
Swept it for half a year.
Do you suppose," the Walrus said,
"That they could get it clear?"
"I doubt it," said the Carpenter,
And shed a bitter tear.
"O Oysters, come and walk with us!"
The Walrus did beseech.
"A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a hand to each."
The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head--
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.
But four young Oysters hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat--
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn't any feet.
Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more--
All hopping through the frothy waves,
And scrambling to the shore.
The Walrus and the Carpenter
Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
Conveniently low:
And all the little Oysters stood
And waited in a row.
"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."
"But wait a bit," the Oysters cried,
"Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!"
"No hurry!" said the Carpenter.
They thanked him much for that.
"A loaf of bread," the Walrus said,
"Is what we chiefly need:
Pepper and vinegar besides
Are very good indeed--
Now if you're ready, Oysters dear,
We can begin to feed."
"But not on us!" the Oysters cried,
Turning a little blue.
"After such kindness, that would be
A dismal thing to do!"
"The night is fine," the Walrus said.
"Do you admire the view?
"It was so kind of you to come!
And you are very nice!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
"Cut us another slice:
I wish you were not quite so deaf--
I've had to ask you twice!"
"It seems a shame," the Walrus said,
"To play them such a trick,
After we've brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
"The butter's spread too thick!"
"I weep for you," the Walrus said:
"I deeply sympathize."
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.
"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.
dshaw@jabberwocky.com
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The Dems who back Barry think they're the carpenter, and conservatives are the Oysters. They are wrong, they're the oysters.
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I have to go with McCain. Sure, they will probably both pick your pocket, but at least with McCain I'm pretty sure he won't be inviting folks dressed in bathrobes and towels over to separate your head from your body.
I really don't know if it matters though. According to all the MSM outlets Obama has already won. As I read some of their "news" articles I sometimes wonder if the election has was held last week without my knowledge.
Which brings me to another thing. I love Fox News, but I've always been willing to admit that it has a conservative tilt. Lately I'm not so sure. I'm beginning to wonder if I'm so used to seeing the extreme left-wing bias of the MSM that Fox just SEEMS to have a conservative tilt.
Many do think that Obama has it won already. I think that it's still a very close race. (pardon the pun)
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That vote raises your taxes how?
The money has to come from somewhere. The taxpayers will pay, as always!
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rob I don't want to tell you what to do but.... are you frigging nuts? :hammer: :evillaugh:
Obama is a clear and present danger make no mistake about that.
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rob I don't want to tell you what to do but.... are you frigging nuts? :hammer: :evillaugh:
Obama is a clear and present danger make no mistake about that.
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I am not sure anymore if Obama is more liberal then McCain.
But I do see more people leaving 7 11 with red cups then blue.
http://videogum.com/archives/local-news/711-coffee-cups-are-the-only-p_025301.html?utm_source=bb&utm_medium=rc
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I am not sure anymore if Obama is more liberal then McCain.
But I do see more people leaving 7 11 with red cups then blue.
http://videogum.com/archives/local-news/711-coffee-cups-are-the-only-p_025301.html?utm_source=bb&utm_medium=rc
What if I want my morning coffee poured in a purple 72 gallon Rubbermaid tote??? What does that mean I'm voting towards?? :lmao:
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What if I want my morning coffee poured in a purple 72 gallon Rubbermaid tote??? What does that mean I'm voting towards?? :lmao:
World peace?
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World peace?
:-)
That's right... all the coffee world peace can buy. :-)