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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2008 => Topic started by: ReardenSteel on October 02, 2008, 10:14:25 PM
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What happened tonight?
Palin killed so big it's an even match by the weekend despite Obama/media polls? (this means McCain bounce big which I the OP dude thinks)
Palin bounce small? (the race gets closer)
No change? (no change)
Obmama bounce small? (I deam impossible)
Obama bounce big? (I have drunk the Kool Aid bigtime and have no finger on no pulse at all)
What you thinking CC?
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Considering the fact the race is currently a statistical dead heat,meaning it could break either way for both campaigns, the debate changes nothing. The change will come from the media will have not much of a choice but drop the Palin is just a pretty airhead meme. That in itself will be interpreted as a change in the media favorable to McCain?Palin and bleed over to the electorate.
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Considering the fact the race is currently a statistical dead heat,meaning it could break either way for both campaigns, the debate changes nothing. The change will come from the media will have not much of a choice but drop the Palin is just a pretty airhead meme. That in itself will be interpreted as a change in the media favorable to McCain?Palin and bleed over to the electorate.
I may be to tipsy to type let alone opinionate. I had a big day ( http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,14713.0.html ) but I was working on the idea that Obama was 5-8 points ahead. If that is not the case my pole is farked.
:-)
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Considering the fact the race is currently a statistical dead heat,meaning it could break either way for both campaigns, the debate changes nothing. The change will come from the media will have not much of a choice but drop the Palin is just a pretty airhead meme. That in itself will be interpreted as a change in the media favorable to McCain?Palin and bleed over to the electorate.
I may be to tipsy to type let alone opinionate. I had a big day ( http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,14713.0.html ) but I was working on the idea that Obama was 5-8 points ahead. If that is not the case my pole is farked.
:-)
You are cleared tocontinue tippin' em back. I just checked a few avgs and Obama Bin Biden is ahead just outside the margin of error.
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Considering the fact the race is currently a statistical dead heat,meaning it could break either way for both campaigns, the debate changes nothing. The change will come from the media will have not much of a choice but drop the Palin is just a pretty airhead meme. That in itself will be interpreted as a change in the media favorable to McCain?Palin and bleed over to the electorate.
I may be to tipsy to type let alone opinionate. I had a big day ( http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,14713.0.html ) but I was working on the idea that Obama was 5-8 points ahead. If that is not the case my pole is farked.
:-)
You are cleared tocontinue tippin' em back. I just checked a few avgs and Obama Bin Biden is ahead just outside the margin of error.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
RCP which I think leans to the right has Obama up 6 points amoung the big dogs.
Gallup Tracking 09/29, Rasmussen Tracking 09/29 - 10/01, GW/Battleground Tracking 09/28, Hotline/FD Tracking 09/29, Marist 09/28 - 09/30, CBS News 09/27, Associated Press/GfK, ABC News/Wash Post, Pew Research, Ipsos/McClatchy ,Time
Are you saying it was even before the Palin/Biden debate?
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Considering the fact the race is currently a statistical dead heat,meaning it could break either way for both campaigns, the debate changes nothing. The change will come from the media will have not much of a choice but drop the Palin is just a pretty airhead meme. That in itself will be interpreted as a change in the media favorable to McCain?Palin and bleed over to the electorate.
I may be to tipsy to type let alone opinionate. I had a big day ( http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,14713.0.html ) but I was working on the idea that Obama was 5-8 points ahead. If that is not the case my pole is farked.
:-)
You are cleared tocontinue tippin' em back. I just checked a few avgs and Obama Bin Biden is ahead just outside the margin of error.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
RCP which I think leans to the right has Obama up 6 points amoung the big dogs.
Gallup Tracking 09/29, Rasmussen Tracking 09/29 - 10/01, GW/Battleground Tracking 09/28, Hotline/FD Tracking 09/29, Marist 09/28 - 09/30, CBS News 09/27, Associated Press/GfK, ABC News/Wash Post, Pew Research, Ipsos/McClatchy ,Time
Are you saying it was even before the Palin/Biden debate?
I was mistaen in thinking the polls were tighter than they are. I don't think the debate changes anything but the way in which the media will present palin. That will cause the slight shifting in the polls.
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I also found a fellow Kool Aid drinker, which... if she is after my own heart... drinks grape, is also of my opinion.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/02/sarah-rocks/
The link title "Sarah-rocks" should in no way emote favoratism. :p :p :p
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I suspect a small push back to McCain - The important thing is this stops the bleeding from the "Palin is a liability" detractors. Also the financial mess should end tomorrow. Everyone who could have voted for it did, and the market will bounce, neutralizing that point. The independents will come back to the flock slowly.
If it was two weeks from now, it would be too little too late.
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I was mistaen in thinking the polls were tighter than they are. I don't think the debate changes anything but the way in which the media will present palin. That will cause the slight shifting in the polls.
I respect your opinion. I await your confirmation by Saturday or my ignoble defeat. In any case, I;ll drink a beer with ya after. :cheersmate: We both live in the same America after all. (and I admit I'm high on Palin at the moment and seeing rainbows)
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Hmmm . . . the impact, not sure. Probably not much in the polls so fast, but the MSM will shift their focus off of trying to portay Sarah Palin as too green and too stupid. The left has the attention span of a gnat, though, so they might switch back to that mantra in a couple of weeks.
I don't really believe Barack Hussein Obama is more than a few points at the most ahead of McCain right now, but I'd guess this debate will freeze the numbers for a day or so - I think by mid-month McCain will have a lead that will grow and grow and grow - BHO has peaked, probably for the last time. This debate performance just made that happen a little faster, but the voting fraud a la ACORN should be checked.
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The
third rail media will be working overtime until next week's debate to spin, spin, spin this into a win for Biden. I think Obama will hold his position or go up a couple points due to the favorable coverage.
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I am patisan. I am foolish. I am drunk.
Trying to look past all that, I realy think that Palim killed tonight. I think the media, the left and even Saturday Night Live are dead in the water in reguards to pushing the old Palin lies and distortion. At least as far as the American public who saw this debate goes. Will they trust the spin in this case?
The original bromide about Sarah is coming back. America has a fever, and Palin is the cure.
I think this debate moved mountains of BS aside and moved minds instead. I could be VERY wrong in the post-partisan glow but I believe I am right! Is this what it's like to be a Liberal? Living by emotion over reason? (it has it's appeal)
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The bounce will be smallish but the Bradley Factor just went up. And it will go up more of McCain will capitalize on things like both Obama and O'Biden (did anyone else notice Palin keep calling him that ?) could not name one thing that would have to be trimmed back out of their trillion in new spending (Biden was even more adamant that this crap MUST come to pass) and the lies lies lies.