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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2008 => Topic started by: bijou on October 01, 2008, 10:32:35 AM
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FLORIDA: Obama 49 - McCain 43 pre-debate; Obama 51 - McCain 43 post-debate; OHIO: Obama 49 - McCain 42 pre-debate; Obama 50 - McCain 42 post-debate; PENNSYLVANIA: Obama 49 - McCain 43 pre-debate; Obama 54 - McCain 39 post-debate Friday's presidential debate, Gov. Sarah Palin's sagging favorability and more voter confidence in Sen. Barack Obama's ability to handle the economy are propelling the Democrat to wider likely voter leads over Republican John McCain in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, according to simultaneous Quinnipiac University Swing State polls released today.
No one has been elected President since 1960 without taking two of these three largest swing states in the Electoral College. Results from the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe- ack) University polls conducted before and after the debate show:
Florida: Obama up 49 - 43 percent pre-debate and 51 - 43 percent post-debate;
Ohio: Obama up 49 - 42 percent pre-debate and 50 - 42 percent post-debate;
Pennsylvania: Obama ahead 49 - 43 percent pre-debate and 54 - 39 percent post-debate. Pre-debate surveys ended at 8 p.m. Friday with post-debate surveys Saturday-Monday.
More than 84 percent of voters in each state say the debate did not change their mind. But by margins of 13 to 17 percent, voters in each state say Obama did a better job in the debate. And by margins of 15 to 27 percent, independent voters in each state say Obama won.
"It is difficult to find a modern competitive presidential race that has swung so dramatically, so quickly and so sharply this late in the campaign. In the last 20 days, Sen. Barack Obama has gone from seven points down to eight points up in Florida, while widening his leads to eight points in Ohio and 15 points in Pennsylvania," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.
"Sen. John McCain has his work cut out for him if he is to win the presidency and there does not appear to be a role model for such a comeback in the last half century," Brown added.
"Sen. McCain's problem is not with this or that demographic group. Although he still leads among white men, albeit by a smaller margin, his problems are across the electorate.
"Sen. Obama clearly won the debate, voters say. Their opinion of Gov. Sarah Palin has gone south and the Wall Street meltdown has been a dagger to McCain's political heart. Roughly a third of voters, and almost as large a share of the key independent vote, say McCain did more harm than good in trying to resolve the financial crisis, and the share of voters who see the economy as the top issue has risen from roughly half to six in ten."
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1218&What=&strArea=;&strTime=0
Not looking good.
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not that I am not concerned, but quinnipiac is consistently deranged
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not that I am not concerned, but quinnipiac is consistently deranged
Not to mention that this is about the time that the media Propaganda Ministry polls start REALLY oversampling Democrats, Marxists, Socialists, Communists, Anarchists etc... in order to show huge numbers in favor of their candy-date and thereby supress the vote turnout for the Rethugs' sacrificial victim.
At least that's how they think it's supposed to work.
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Yawn.
I've seen it all before.
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Bradley Effect. Noone wants to admit they are racist. :evillaugh:
*waiting for gratuitous Peter Noone pics to follow*
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Yawn.
I've seen it all before.
Frank I am feeling confident. I hope it's not because I am delusional. ;)
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The poll they showed on Fox this morning still have McCain up in Ohio, and a slight lead in FL.
Do you have a link? I can't find it and I could really use some good news like this.
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not that I am not concerned, but quinnipiac is consistently deranged
I agree completely, the Q poll as I recall has always been to the left of reality.
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Yawn.
I've seen it all before.
Frank I am feeling confident. I hope it's not because I am delusional. ;)
yes you are....
though regardless of who's poll it is. I am really starting to become concerned. Less shit sticks to Obama than Clinton
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Yawn.
I've seen it all before.
Frank I am feeling confident. I hope it's not because I am delusional. ;)
yes you are....
though regardless of who's poll it is. I am really starting to become concerned. Less shit sticks to Obama than Clinton
Well, the shit never GETS to teh Obamessiah, because he's got the entire Democrat Propaganda Ministry acting as human shields, and thousands of campaign disciples willing to make human wave runs through all the minefields His Holiness has laid, in order to clear the way for their Lord.
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I am extremely concerned, simply because of what is at stake in this election. Presidents are only around for four or eight years, but the judges they appoint are around a lot longer than that. We have an idea the kind of judges McCain will appoint. Can you imagine the kind people Obama will appoint?
Also remember. Carter brought us Reagan.
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The poll they showed on Fox this morning still have McCain up in Ohio, and a slight lead in FL.
Do you have a link? I can't find it and I could really use some good news like this.
Survey USA has mccain up 1 in OH (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=f59524ea-868f-443b-bd5f-b96bf98b6e79)
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The poll they showed on Fox this morning still have McCain up in Ohio, and a slight lead in FL.
Do you have a link? I can't find it and I could really use some good news like this.
Survey USA has mccain up 1 in OH (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=f59524ea-868f-443b-bd5f-b96bf98b6e79)
Okay, not it works.
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Yawn.
I've seen it all before.
Frank I am feeling confident. I hope it's not because I am delusional. ;)
yes you are....
though regardless of who's poll it is. I am really starting to become concerned. Less shit sticks to Obama than Clinton
these guys are smart. they aren't blowing themselves to hell like the dem candidate usually does. just the most recent artifact of that, they "hid" what will be their worst debate on a friday night when no one was home to see it, except the truly motivated.
he's getting a huge assist from the MSM in not checking out a thing about his background, or his ties and associations, or so much as mentioning the 180 he has done on every relevant issue since the primaries, but this an intelligently run campaign thus far.
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They're trying to mess with our heads. I refuse to become a slave to inane daily polling, you all should too. I am convinced that America has not lost her mind to the extent the polls suggest.
That's not to say that I am not praying A LOT for our country right now.
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the mccain campaign responded to these silly quinnipiac polls (which is a little unusual):
McCain pushback on Florida polls: “Our polling shows us up 7. My guess is they over sampled blacks and under sampled Cubans.
McCain pushback on Q-polls: “These polls are laughable. We hope Obama thinks they’re true. The national tracking is clear: Some polls have us down 2 percent, some 4, some as high as 6. How could you have national numbers like that, but have those kinds of numbers in three of the largest, most competitive states in the country? These states are bellwethers because they closely mirror national demographics. Given the volume of campaigning in those states, we expect that they are close to the national track – if not tighter.â€
Link (http://www.politico.com/playbook/)
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Gallup daily tracking poll for today has Obama +4 (48-44), and Rasmussen has Obama + 6, (51-45)
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Gallup daily tracking poll for today has Obama +4 (48-44), and Rasmussen has Obama + 6, (51-45)
I heard that McCain just let out a big old fart, did the polls suggest that was a good or not so good move on his part?
You are not helping. :-)
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Where in Ohio exactly? I mean even though this really is totally irrelevant. 6 MORE McCain signs to 1 Obama went up in my neighborhood after the debate(and I'm just counting this little circle of homes we live in, not the other neighborhoods).
I am still amazed that your average person, if this is true, is willing to elect a man neck deep in the debacle(and buddies with some of the primary players in failing companies) to office to run the whole show versus someone who has been on board for making changes to some of the regulations that allowed this at least in 2003 and I think before then too. McCain certainly isn't perfect. Lord knows I have my gripes with him but I certainly trust him infinitely more then any member of the Congressional 'strongarm' caucus
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Gallup daily tracking poll for today has Obama +4 (48-44), and Rasmussen has Obama + 6, (51-45)
I heard that McCain just let out a big old fart, did the polls suggest that was a good or not so good move on his part?
You are not helping. :-)
no, but there is a story out there saying that he threw a temper tantrum in des moines today. :whatever:
actually, both polls are relatively good news. the margin closed by a point in gallup, and remained unchanged in rassmussen.
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Gallup daily tracking poll for today has Obama +4 (48-44), and Rasmussen has Obama + 6, (51-45)
I heard that McCain just let out a big old fart, did the polls suggest that was a good or not so good move on his part?
You are not helping. :-)
no, but there is a story out there saying that he threw a temper tantrum in des moines today. :whatever:
actually, both polls are relatively good news. the margin closed by a point in gallup, and remained unchanged in rassmussen.
McCain is and always was a hothead. He seems to have mellowed some in the last decade though.
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no, but there is a story out there saying that he threw a temper tantrum in des moines today. :whatever:
actually, both polls are relatively good news. the margin closed by a point in gallup, and remained unchanged in rassmussen.
I feel that they are for two reasons
a) most pollsters are in the tank for Obama - maybe not the company itself, but its workers. Working and skewing polls and getting paid for it is a Democrat's wettest dream.
b) Obama should be up at least 15 points by now - maybe closing in on 20. The fact that the polls still average 5 point Obama advantage nationally is a great sign..
The thing that concerns me is voter fraud. There will be more fraud than we have ever witnessed before - that is a guarantee.
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Gallup daily tracking poll for today has Obama +4 (48-44), and Rasmussen has Obama + 6, (51-45)
I heard that McCain just let out a big old fart, did the polls suggest that was a good or not so good move on his part?
You are not helping. :-)
no, but there is a story out there saying that he threw a temper tantrum in des moines today. :whatever:
actually, both polls are relatively good news. the margin closed by a point in gallup, and remained unchanged in rassmussen.
McCain is and always was a hothead. He seems to have mellowed some in the last decade though.
well, I my first thought was that the MSM was reinforcing the obama campaign's "mccain is unstable because of all the stuff they did to him while he was a POW" meme . . . .
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no, but there is a story out there saying that he threw a temper tantrum in des moines today. :whatever:
actually, both polls are relatively good news. the margin closed by a point in gallup, and remained unchanged in rassmussen.
I feel that they are for two reasons
a) most pollsters are in the tank for Obama - maybe not the company itself, but its workers. Working and skewing polls and getting paid for it is a Democrat's wettest dream.
b) Obama should be up at least 15 points by now - maybe closing in on 20. The fact that the polls still average 5 point Obama advantage nationally is a great sign..
The thing that concerns me is voter fraud. There will be more fraud than we have ever witnessed before - that is a guarantee.
they is always shady business going on in wisconsin and StL, but it appears as though that could pale in comparison to OH this year . . .
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I know several of you don't think the Obamassiah will win, but so far I'm still lean towards saying that he will. Phil Gramm is right, America has become a nation of whiners and they want someone to hold their hand. They're not listening to what this little communist is saying, they just hear "change" and "hope" and to them that means Mommy and Daddy will change their diaper, give them a bottle, and rock them to sleep. Yes, I'm still betting a majority are that stupid. The main advantage we have as conservatives is that we know the train wreck that will happen and can prepare for it.
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I know several of you don't think the Obamassiah will win, but so far I'm still lean towards saying that he will. Phil Gramm is right, America has become a nation of whiners and they want someone to hold their hand. They're not listening to what this little communist is saying, they just hear "change" and "hope" and to them that means Mommy and Daddy will change their diaper, give them a bottle, and rock them to sleep. Yes, I'm still betting a majority are that stupid. The main advantage we have as conservatives is that we know the train wreck that will happen and can prepare for it.
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Sadly, I agree. I've had a bad feeling about this for awhile, and I can see O pulling this off.
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I know several of you don't think the Obamassiah will win, but so far I'm still lean towards saying that he will. Phil Gramm is right, America has become a nation of whiners and they want someone to hold their hand. They're not listening to what this little communist is saying, they just hear "change" and "hope" and to them that means Mommy and Daddy will change their diaper, give them a bottle, and rock them to sleep. Yes, I'm still betting a majority are that stupid. The main advantage we have as conservatives is that we know the train wreck that will happen and can prepare for it.
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Could happen. Hell, it could even work out mildly to the plus side for me financially, before he wrecks the whole damned economy at least (Even Jimmuh took a good little while to do that), and I'm far outside the downwind ellipse of whatever city that might get nuked by the muj, except maybe KC. Still hoping it doesn't come to that.
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I still don't think Barack Hussein Obama can win, but he can become POTUS if he manufactors enough votes. ACORN has been indited in virtually every swing state so far, and the voting fraud they're committing is rampant - they will do anything to put their fake messiah in office.
There's a good chance of a constitutional crisis no matter what - if he *wins*, the voting irregularities will be too obvious to ignore. If he loses, he will probably drag it through the courts like Gore did, unless he's beaten by a huge margin, which I still think is likely. All those polls are making the flaw that if a state has a 43/27/30 D/R/I split in party registration, that's how they'll vote and then they weigh the poll accordingly. By that measure, Ronald Reagan would have been "predicted" to lose in a landslide.
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Neither on of us is from here (E TN). I grew up in DesMoines and northern Illinois, he grew up in Cincy. I stepped back in time 20 years when I moved to Virginia from Omaha, in 1977.
Our "running buddies" both grew up here. The other night at dinner, he was telling us that several of his buddies - many that he was in fraternity with in college - have been life long Democrats. (he isn't) He said that none of them are willing to vote for Obama, they are all voting for McCain.
We were also talking about polling. None of us have ever been called. We all have college degrees, homeowners, self-employed (except for the other wife - she's a graphic designer for UT).
One of the guys was saying that when pollsters call....if they donot receive an answer....they may mark the result however they wish. Does anyone know if this is true. Whichever guy it was, said they read it in the Wall Street Journal.
Having lived in the South since 1977....there are many white people down here...born and bred Southerners.... that the only way I'm going to believe that they are voting for Obama is to stand next to them and watch them pull the lever for him.
Racism and the Klan are still very alive and well in this area. There is an area of this county that is still almost entirely white. I became a realtor 11+ years ago.....not long after that there were a couple of cross burnings in that area. There are surrounding counties that are still predominately, if not 95%+, that are still white. I can drive 30 minutes from my house and be in "Deliverance".
I have a hard time believing the polls.
I will say though....the media already has given tomorrow night's debate to Biden. Unless Palin does a phenomenal job and Biden makes some serious screw-ups...Biden will win, no matter what his performance....cause the media will give it to him.
As this mess with the economy continues to unfold.....Obama wins and McCain loses. Not because Obama is smart enough to get the country out of this mess...because I don't think he is...but because he is NOT a Republican.
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IIRC, both Gore and Kerry were showing "up" in the polls at this stage of the game in 2000 and 2004.
They lost.
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IIRC, both Gore and Kerry were showing "up" in the polls at this stage of the game in 2000 and 2004.
They lost.
Problem is, this election we're gonna see vote fraud on a scale that hasn't been attempted since the 1960 farce that gave it to Kennedy. Rest assured the Dhimmi-crats will be pulling out all the stops for a "victory" next month.
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Neither on of us is from here (E TN). I grew up in DesMoines and northern Illinois, he grew up in Cincy. I stepped back in time 20 years when I moved to Virginia from Omaha, in 1977.
How long did you live in Omaha? I was born in Omaha and moved to Tulsa in 1981.
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Neither on of us is from here (E TN). I grew up in DesMoines and northern Illinois, he grew up in Cincy. I stepped back in time 20 years when I moved to Virginia from Omaha, in 1977.
How long did you live in Omaha? I was born in Omaha and moved to Tulsa in 1981.
I moved there when I graduated from college in '74 and left after I got married in June '77. My ex was from NE, and we got married the weekend after he graduated from med school in Omaha.
I lived at 96th and Q on the golf course the first 2 years, and then in apartments behind the Ground Cow over on 74th and Pacific.
Tried to get hired at Boy's Town, but I weighed 94lbs and looked about 15 and they wouldn't hire me. Worked for Richman Gordman for a year, first as a buyer's assistant, then dept manager over at 120th and Center. Then for Xerox for 2 yrs, my office overlooked AK-SAR-BEN race track.
I loved Omaha!
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Neither on of us is from here (E TN). I grew up in DesMoines and northern Illinois, he grew up in Cincy. I stepped back in time 20 years when I moved to Virginia from Omaha, in 1977.
How long did you live in Omaha? I was born in Omaha and moved to Tulsa in 1981.
I moved there when I graduated from college in '74 and left after I got married in June '77. My ex was from NE, and we got married the weekend after he graduated from med school in Omaha.
I lived at 96th and Q on the golf course the first 2 years, and then in apartments behind the Ground Cow over on 74th and Pacific.
Tried to get hired at Boy's Town, but I weighed 94lbs and looked about 15 and they wouldn't hire me. Worked for Richman Gordman for a year, first as a buyer's assistant, then dept manager over at 120th and Center. Then for Xerox for 2 yrs, my office overlooked AK-SAR-BEN race track.
I loved Omaha!
I remember the "zoo" in Richman Gordman's close to where I lived when I was a small child. I loved sliding down the elephants trunk. My oldest brother worked for Boy's Town about 10 years ago for awhile. My Dad used to take me to AK-SAR-BEN and leave me in the kid area while he bet on the horses. I remember one time in particular eating a popsicle and it was hot as hell. My Dad had forgotten about me and had to come back to get me. :whatever:
We lived just off 78th & Blondo when I was born then moved to around 120th & Blondo when I was in 5th grade. I have family members who still live in Omaha.
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The poll they showed on Fox this morning still have McCain up in Ohio, and a slight lead in FL.
Do you have a link? I can't find it and I could really use some good news like this.
Real Clear Politics Ohio (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/oh/ohio_mccain_vs_obama-400.html)
Real Clear Politics Fla (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/fl/florida_mccain_vs_obama-418.html)
The Quinnipac is an obvious outlier
the other FLoridas are BS polls at best.
its supposed to go up and down a bit.
panic not grasshopper