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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: asdf2231 on September 19, 2008, 09:41:20 AM
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fed_up_mother (848 posts) Fri Sep-19-08 10:18 AM
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Should McCain win, I believe we just may have riots in the streets
Advertisements [?]I didn't believe that before this current meltdown crisis, but now I do.
The government is rescuing Wall Street, but doing nothing to help those who are losing their homes. I smell a lot of anger and resentment out there, and it's going to build over the next few weeks as this race gets nastier.
Here comes martial law.
Well at least she spelled it right. :whatever:
The Stranger (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-19-08 10:19 AM
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1. One can only hope.
Pleaz I can has riot now? k'thnx.
alyce douglas (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-19-08 10:20 AM
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2. sometimes the tree of liberty needs the blood of tyrants and
patriots.
:lmao: Patriots. nuff said.
UTUSN (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-19-08 10:21 AM
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4. So people would be motivated to riot in the streets BUT NOT to vote in the first place?!1
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 10:25 AM by UTUSN
Or would they be disgruntled voters who didn't get apathetic *other* people to get their butts to VOTE?!
If every eligible voter ACTUALLY VOTED there wouldn't be a Rethug in office anywhere.
Like there haven't rioters over Shrub's illegal wars, rape of that "damned piece of paper" (the Constitution), and who knows WHAT we don't even know about yet.
Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-19-08 10:22 AM
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5. On election night, I'm going to have two bottles in my office.
One will be champagne and one will be whiskey.
One of them will be empty by the end of the night.
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:rotf: alyce douglas must have a handy crib sheet for all the lofty replies she posts.
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Hate to say it...but I agree with the OP....I think there will be riots too.
Regardless of who wins.
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I believe that they predicted riots in the streets if Dubya won in 2004. To my knowledge DU has never been a great prognosticator of events. Jean Dixon has a better record and that ain't saying much.
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alyce douglas (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-19-08 10:20 AM
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2. sometimes the tree of liberty needs the blood of tyrants and
patriots.
Well then, who's going to pay for your welfare checks? That is how a patriot is defined as now, isn't it?
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This thread has a lot of potential. Get fired up about the prospects of another 4 years of McBush, DUmmys!
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This thread has a lot of potential. Get fired up about the prospects of another 4 years of McBush, DUmmys!
I said this way back when, and I'll say it again now: the Internet has pacified liberals to the degree that they're even more toothless than they were in 2004. One thing you have to hand the radical left in the late 60's: they actually got their shit together and got some stuff done (they killed innocent people and they laugh about it now with their friend Barack Obama, but that's another story). Liberals back then picked up a bullhorn, slapped on some patchouli oil, and went where they had to go.
Now what do liberals do? They post on the Internet, and they watch Jon Stewart, Steven Colbert, and Keith Olbermann. Irony and sarcasm are their most powerful weapons. I wonder when it will occur to liberals that Stewart, Colbert, and Olbermann are instruments of pacification? I mean, if McCain clearly and unambiguously STEALS the election (which he won't need to do), what do you think their heroes will do?
They'll make sarcastic comedy routines out of it. That's it - that's all.
Once more, lurking DUmmies: we don't need to throw you in camps. You're already in them, and the guards are DU, Kos, Olbermann, Stewart, Colbert, and all your other heroes.
Ironic, huh?
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Well, I'll lay in a bunch of extra 7.62 if you say so, alyce, but I really don't think anything will come of it.
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-19-08 10:22 AM
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5. On election night, I'm going to have two bottles in my office.
One will be champagne and one will be whiskey.
One of them will be empty by the end of the night.
:bs: Tell the truth. BOTH of them will be empty. As well as your ganga sack.
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alyce douglas (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-19-08 10:20 AM
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2. sometimes the tree of liberty needs the blood of tyrants and
patriots.
Well then, who's going to pay for your welfare checks? That is how a patriot is defined as now, isn't it?
"Patriots" are Democrats who jack up taxes, according to Joe Biden.
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I will not be surprised if some community organizers agitate some rioting in Chicago, Atlanta, and LA.
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-19-08 10:54 AM
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10. This is not a good campaign strategy.
We're not going to win by threatening violence.
Secondly, I think the only real threat of riots would be if the vote count is suspect, in which case it would be justified.
That is the only way DUmmies EVER lose an election. A DUmmy riot would be fun television, but it won't happen. We'll only see some community organizers looting a few liquor stores and burning some buildings in their own neighborhoods.
I smell a lot of anger and resentment out there, and it's going to build over the next few weeks
You have a keen sense of smell, DUmmy fed_up_mother, but that odor isn't anger and resentment. It's related to your personal hygiene.
The problem DUmmies fail to understand is that they are a tiny, insignificant minority of misfits, scattered very thinly through a society where the overwhelming majority of people are happy and prosperous. The same personality defects that cause them to be misfits in the first place will prevent them from ever organizing themselves together to do anything.
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[I smell a lot of anger and resentment out there, and it's going to build over the next few weeks
You have a keen sense of smell, DUmmy fed_up_mother, but that odor isn't anger and resentment. It's related to your personal hygiene.
Hell, THAT will still build up over the next few weeks, too!
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Go ahead and riot, just make sure you do it close to home. That way you can become even more of a victim when you are stuck in a homeless shelter for 3 years while the government rebuilds the projects.
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Hate to say it...but I agree with the OP....I think there will be riots too.
Regardless of who wins.
Seeing as how one of the candidates has been prognosticating - dare I say, "prophesying"? - much the same thing, and then throwing gasoline on the fire by calling everything their opponent says, does, thinks, wears, eats and screws racist, and that every point of opposition the American people have to this candidate's "policies" is because they are racist as well, and the self-fulfilling prophesies really start piling up quickly.
Like you said Deb, this election and it's results are going to drastically change this country, regardless of who wins. November 5th might well dawn with us looking out on a country that resembles Compton after the Lakers win - or lose - a championship.
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This thread has a lot of potential. Get fired up about the prospects of another 4 years of McBush, DUmmys!
I said this way back when, and I'll say it again now: the Internet has pacified liberals to the degree that they're even more toothless than they were in 2004. One thing you have to hand the radical left in the late 60's: they actually got their shit together and got some stuff done (they killed innocent people and they laugh about it now with their friend Barack Obama, but that's another story). Liberals back then picked up a bullhorn, slapped on some patchouli oil, and went where they had to go.
Now what do liberals do? They post on the Internet, and they watch Jon Stewart, Steven Colbert, and Keith Olbermann. Irony and sarcasm are their most powerful weapons. I wonder when it will occur to liberals that Stewart, Colbert, and Olbermann are instruments of pacification? I mean, if McCain clearly and unambiguously STEALS the election (which he won't need to do), what do you think their heroes will do?
They'll make sarcastic comedy routines out of it. That's it - that's all.
Once more, lurking DUmmies: we don't need to throw you in camps. You're already in them, and the guards are DU, Kos, Olbermann, Stewart, Colbert, and all your other heroes.
Ironic, huh?
:cheersmate: H5 - they will do exactly that. All while standing in line to buy Starbucks and talking on their cell phones in their designer jeans. At least the original hippies were honest (to a point) they were horribly misguided but at least they didn't just talk about activism - they lived it. I totally don't agree with hippie politics but the malcontents of today's world will keep participating in democracy and continue contributing to caplitalism and will limit their "outrage" to talking about the latest episode of The Daily Show. Which is ironic because all of the liberal media outlets and people like Jon Stewart, Bill Mahr, etc..are millionaires like the "evil conservatives" they think are horribly opressing them. Stupid primitives. Really stupid primitives.
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MadrasT (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-19-08 11:44 AM
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15. And they're getting ready for it...
http://www.newsdissector.com/blog/2008/09/18/pentagon-s...
They are getting a little more riled up now. Make a couple of unmasked threats to sitting officials, now DUmpers.
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Well, I'll lay in a bunch of extra 7.62 if you say so, alyce, but I really don't think anything will come of it.
Would that be the NATO round, or the WarPac round? :cheersmate:
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Well, I'll lay in a bunch of extra 7.62 if you say so, alyce, but I really don't think anything will come of it.
Would that be the NATO round, or the WarPac round? :cheersmate:
In my case, it would be WarPac. Both of 'em. (7.62 x 39mm AND 7.62 x 54mm)
When I bought my Nagant (similar to the one below), she was a '1942 model', and had 26 tic marks down the side of the stock. Since then, she's been one of the best deer and elk rifles I've owned. I choose that old girl over the A-Bolt I inheirited from my dad whenever I manage to get drawn.
(http://world.guns.ru/rifle/mosin91-30s.jpg)
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Why can't they have riots in the forest and at least make it a little more challenging?
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Why can't they have riots in the forest and at least make it a little more challenging?
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Wise Master Poo say: "If a DUmbass falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it scream/whine, did anybody give a shit?"
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Why can't they have riots in the forest and at least make it a little more challenging?
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Wise Master Poo say: "If a DUmbass falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it scream/whine, did anybody give a shit?"
Only da bears dat poo in da woods. :-)
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The government is rescuing Wall Street, but doing nothing to help those who are losing their homes. I smell a lot of anger and resentment out there, and it's going to build over the next few weeks as this race gets nastier.
Because rescuing the deadbeats who helped fuel the crisis to begin with is a terrible move. The business world and politicians(including your beloved Obama who was a big part in pressuring the Mae's/Mac's/and banks to sell to less then credit worthy applicants) made a huge mistake. Their blunder is driving the US towards economic collapse. Taxpayers are already banking against their country's economics collapsing with their tax dollars--the stakes are huge here--*THIS* is why wall street is being bailed out, but it will come with heavy, heavy consequences. If you thought regulation of brokerages and such were bad now--just wait until the dust settles.
Now, bailing out a bunch of individuals who should have never been extended credit to begin with is not only unwise, but will build resentment with the individuals who really do fuel the economy--responsible citizens who now see themselves as punished for paying their mortgages on time or at least being sure it never got to the point of foreclosure. We already rescue enough deadbeats via welfare, let's not do it again by giving them 'free' houses. I will guarantee if you knocked their debt down to half of what they owe they would still be foreclosed on again in a couple years time. It's foolhearty. Release those properties so, at some point, they can be sold to people with a much better credit worthiness and they can then rent those places out to the deadbeats if they wish with far more recourse and less repercussions to the overall economy if they fold on their rent payments. I have a feeling short sales will become illegal now because of all this and not just on a temporary hiatus and if you thought getting credit was bad before for the people you bleed your hearts over...just wait.
The bottom line, DUmmies, is that it was nobodies business to lend to deadbeats. It was your warm-hearted, parity, equality, racist politic bullshit that made that scenario possible so pardon me while I say **** the deadbeats and **** you idiots for not being able to pull your heads out of your self-righteous liberal asses for a moment to understand what is going on and just what is at stake for all of us, not just your bleeding heart PUBLIC charity cases. They can go back to their section 8 housing so the rest of us can try to save this country from the economic disaster they helped steer us towards. As usual you will benefit while those who know how=do and you scratch your overwhelming asses at what just happened and who got 'oppressed' in the process. :bird:
the only thing I might give you is this all operated on greed---greed of investment and mortgage companies, but also greed of the people you want to bail out now from losing their homes. I'd say let the private sector and gov. rot too, but I'm afraid that the rest of us who have followed the rules might be pulled down with it if we do. :banghead:
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:rotf: alyce douglas must have a handy crib sheet for all the lofty replies she posts.
Actually, that's basically the only lofty reply the Alice in Wonderland primitive posts; she uses it several times a day.
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Well, I'll lay in a bunch of extra 7.62 if you say so, alyce, but I really don't think anything will come of it.
Would that be the NATO round, or the WarPac round? :cheersmate:
In my case, it would be WarPac. Both of 'em. (7.62 x 39mm AND 7.62 x 54mm)
When I bought my Nagant (similar to the one below), she was a '1942 model', and had 26 tic marks down the side of the stock. Since then, she's been one of the best deer and elk rifles I've owned. I choose that old girl over the A-Bolt I inheirited from my dad whenever I manage to get drawn.
(http://world.guns.ru/rifle/mosin91-30s.jpg)
I've got to get me a Nagant. My local gun dealer has a couple of the cavalry models in stock, I think.
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Prolly won't riot anywhere it is COLD. This is not the 60's where there were valid beef's about segragation, jim crow, etal.. Today, even the welfare folk have plasma TV and cable.
As for rioting on the woods!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMUB5lZPoi8
I DON'T THINK SO!!!!! :evillaugh:
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Well, I'll lay in a bunch of extra 7.62 if you say so, alyce, but I really don't think anything will come of it.
Would that be the NATO round, or the WarPac round? :cheersmate:
Either NATO 7.62X51 or Pact 7.62X39 will work for me. I don't currently have anything that would take 7.62X54R, though.
And yeah, Peter3_1, "Poverty" means something wildly different in the US than it means in the rest of the world.
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Thanks for reminding me that I need to order some more 7.62X39.......Midway here I come....
doc
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Hate to say it...but I agree with the OP....I think there will be riots too.
Regardless of who wins.
Seeing as how one of the candidates has been prognosticating - dare I say, "prophesying"? - much the same thing, and then throwing gasoline on the fire by calling everything their opponent says, does, thinks, wears, eats and screws racist, and that every point of opposition the American people have to this candidate's "policies" is because they are racist as well, and the self-fulfilling prophesies really start piling up quickly.
Like you said Deb, this election and it's results are going to drastically change this country, regardless of who wins. November 5th might well dawn with us looking out on a country that resembles Compton after the Lakers win - or lose - a championship.
I agree with you too, D6....I think it's going to be rioting in the streets just as there have been in large cities after a major sport championship. We have seen riots, when the team has lost....and "celebration" riots when they have won.
I think that's what will happen in November....God help us if there is any question whatsoever on any of the election results. All hell will break loose if that happens.
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did they riot when the S&L crapolla hit the fan in the 80s?
did they riot after 9/11 when the economy tanked for 8 months?
did they riot when the tech bubble burst?
and apparently our economy withstood ALL of those things and kept on humming along. i hate this correction as much as anyone, but its necessary. after its over and done with, maybe they will understand it better, but for now, they are all kindergarteners in their grasp of how the world works.
rioting.. my ass. :whatever:
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did they riot when the S&L crapolla hit the fan in the 80s?
did they riot after 9/11 when the economy tanked for 8 months?
did they riot when the tech bubble burst?
and apparently our economy withstood ALL of those things and kept on humming along. i hate this correction as much as anyone, but its necessary. after its over and done with, maybe they will understand it better, but for now, they are all kindergarteners in their grasp of how the world works.
rioting.. my ass. :whatever:
The correction has corrected back -- the Market gave back almost all it took.
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With all due respect, you are both wrong. This is far more then a correction. The government is putting together a humongous bailout(that's been all over the news today). Free, the market was up on news of this bailout, however this bailout is a HUGE risk to taxpayers. The gov. is GUARANTEEING money markets and repackaging mortgage debt instruments. OUr government is essentially buying up bad debts. :oThis is all very substantial and unusual measures. It is not merely a 'correction'.
As a side note, Obama supports this plan. That alone would make me a little wary seeing as he also supported the 'plan' that lead to the downfall of some of these institutions to begin with.
`Real Difference'
Congressional leaders who met with Paulson and Bernanke late yesterday in Washington said they aim to pass legislation soon to shore up banks. The Fed said it will lend to banks to meet demands for redemptions from money-market mutual funds and will buy debt of the largest mortgage-finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, from primary dealers to spur liquidity.
``We're talking hundreds of billions,'' Paulson said in a press conference. ``This needs to be big enough to make a real difference and get to the heart of the problem.''
Options U.S. officials are considering include establishing an $800 billion fund to purchase so-called failed assets and a separate $400 billion pool at the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. to insure investors in money-market funds, said two people briefed by congressional staff.
The Treasury sold $60 billion in cash management bills, for the second day in a row, to allow the Fed to continue to pump emergency cash into the financial system.
`More Issuance'
The U.S. may have to borrow an extra $700 billion to $1 trillion to fund the rescue of the financial system, according to Barclays Capital Inc.'s Michael Pond.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=azZFO8kdLYa0
We are basically taking out debt to cover the asses of banks and save them from financial collapse. A correction normally happens without unusual measures. This is a very costly and unusual measure that is being undertaken. BTW, what all that means is WE as a country are taking out debt in order to cover the mess of some very large financial firms that because of their size could send us into a depression if not addressed. And we will need to take out even more debt until it is done. Taxes will be going up to cover this my friends, of that I can assure you. I almost want Obama to win now so he gets saddled with having to raise them.
Of course the markets are happy about this. Gov is stepping in to save the day. Should be interesting to see at what costs.
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With all due respect, you are both wrong. This is far more then a correction. The government is putting together a humongous bailout(that's been all over the news today). Free, the market was up on news of this bailout, however this bailout is a HUGE risk to taxpayers. The gov. is GUARANTEEING money markets and repackaging mortgage debt instruments. OUr government is essentially buying up bad debts. :oThis is all very substantial and unusual measures. It is not merely a 'correction'.
As a side note, Obama supports this plan. That alone would make me a little wary seeing as he also supported the 'plan' that lead to the downfall of some of these institutions to begin with.
`Real Difference'
Congressional leaders who met with Paulson and Bernanke late yesterday in Washington said they aim to pass legislation soon to shore up banks. The Fed said it will lend to banks to meet demands for redemptions from money-market mutual funds and will buy debt of the largest mortgage-finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, from primary dealers to spur liquidity.
``We're talking hundreds of billions,'' Paulson said in a press conference. ``This needs to be big enough to make a real difference and get to the heart of the problem.''
Options U.S. officials are considering include establishing an $800 billion fund to purchase so-called failed assets and a separate $400 billion pool at the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. to insure investors in money-market funds, said two people briefed by congressional staff.
The Treasury sold $60 billion in cash management bills, for the second day in a row, to allow the Fed to continue to pump emergency cash into the financial system.
`More Issuance'
The U.S. may have to borrow an extra $700 billion to $1 trillion to fund the rescue of the financial system, according to Barclays Capital Inc.'s Michael Pond.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=azZFO8kdLYa0
We are basically taking out debt to cover the asses of banks and save them from financial collapse. A correction normally happens without unusual measures. This is a very costly and unusual measure that is being undertaken. BTW, what all that means is WE as a country are taking out debt in order to cover the mess of some very large financial firms that because of their size could send us into a depression if not addressed. And we will need to take out even more debt until it is done. Taxes will be going up to cover this my friends, of that I can assure you. I almost want Obama to win now so he gets saddled with having to raise them.
Of course the markets are happy about this. Gov is stepping in to save the day. Should be interesting to see at what costs.
Obama says that McCain is in a "panic." Projection, anyone? When McCain starts letting people know about "following the money" right back to the Barackstar!, he's going to start the slide down to a loss in the GE.
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With all due respect, you are both wrong. This is far more then a correction. The government is putting together a humongous bailout(that's been all over the news today). Free, the market was up on news of this bailout, however this bailout is a HUGE risk to taxpayers. The gov. is GUARANTEEING money markets and repackaging mortgage debt instruments. OUr government is essentially buying up bad debts. :oThis is all very substantial and unusual measures. It is not merely a 'correction'.
As a side note, Obama supports this plan. That alone would make me a little wary seeing as he also supported the 'plan' that lead to the downfall of some of these institutions to begin with.
`Real Difference'
Congressional leaders who met with Paulson and Bernanke late yesterday in Washington said they aim to pass legislation soon to shore up banks. The Fed said it will lend to banks to meet demands for redemptions from money-market mutual funds and will buy debt of the largest mortgage-finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, from primary dealers to spur liquidity.
``We're talking hundreds of billions,'' Paulson said in a press conference. ``This needs to be big enough to make a real difference and get to the heart of the problem.''
Options U.S. officials are considering include establishing an $800 billion fund to purchase so-called failed assets and a separate $400 billion pool at the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. to insure investors in money-market funds, said two people briefed by congressional staff.
The Treasury sold $60 billion in cash management bills, for the second day in a row, to allow the Fed to continue to pump emergency cash into the financial system.
`More Issuance'
The U.S. may have to borrow an extra $700 billion to $1 trillion to fund the rescue of the financial system, according to Barclays Capital Inc.'s Michael Pond.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=azZFO8kdLYa0
We are basically taking out debt to cover the asses of banks and save them from financial collapse. A correction normally happens without unusual measures. This is a very costly and unusual measure that is being undertaken. BTW, what all that means is WE as a country are taking out debt in order to cover the mess of some very large financial firms that because of their size could send us into a depression if not addressed. And we will need to take out even more debt until it is done. Taxes will be going up to cover this my friends, of that I can assure you. I almost want Obama to win now so he gets saddled with having to raise them.
Of course the markets are happy about this. Gov is stepping in to save the day. Should be interesting to see at what costs.
Obama says that McCain is in a "panic." Projection, anyone? When McCain starts letting people know about "following the money" right back to the Barackstar!, he's going to start the slide down to a loss in the GE.
One of the big reasons I'm wary is Obama's support of the subprime mortgage debacle. He'd love for it all to go away and on the taxpayer dollar no less. And people want to put this man in charge? As I said though, raising taxes will be necessary to cover this. I'd rather see dems saddled with that then reps. but I would hate to see what other kind of trouble the Obamessiah will put us in. I'm nearly 40--I don't have time to waste on someone who runs the country into the ground.
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Well, I'll lay in a bunch of extra 7.62 if you say so, alyce, but I really don't think anything will come of it.
Would that be the NATO round, or the WarPac round? :cheersmate:
Either NATO 7.62X51 or Pact 7.62X39 will work for me. I don't currently have anything that would take 7.62X54R, though.
And yeah, Peter3_1, "Poverty" means something wildly different in the US than it means in the rest of the world.
A 91/30 in excellent condition can still be had for around $75. Hard to beat that.
I have a 38/44 (and an EXCELLENT-handling carbine it is in terms of form factor), but it's in the middle of a cartridge conversion to a different .30 cal round. I have a system to my weapons purchases as to what calibers I buy, 7.62X54R just isn't in the program.
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Well, I'll lay in a bunch of extra 7.62 if you say so, alyce, but I really don't think anything will come of it.
Would that be the NATO round, or the WarPac round? :cheersmate:
In my case, it would be WarPac. Both of 'em. (7.62 x 39mm AND 7.62 x 54mm)
When I bought my Nagant (similar to the one below), she was a '1942 model', and had 26 tic marks down the side of the stock. Since then, she's been one of the best deer and elk rifles I've owned. I choose that old girl over the A-Bolt I inheirited from my dad whenever I manage to get drawn.
(http://world.guns.ru/rifle/mosin91-30s.jpg)
I've got to get me a Nagant. My local gun dealer has a couple of the cavalry models in stock, I think.
All I can say against the Nagant is that you have to watch the manufacture dates carefully. The one thing to avoid in this regard is the 1943 model year. Reason being is that, being short on steel for tooling at the close of 1942, the Russkies re-used the worn out 1942 tools for the 1943 model year. As a result, the accuracy suffered in the 1943 units.
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Well, I'll lay in a bunch of extra 7.62 if you say so, alyce, but I really don't think anything will come of it.
Would that be the NATO round, or the WarPac round? :cheersmate:
In my case, it would be WarPac. Both of 'em. (7.62 x 39mm AND 7.62 x 54mm)
When I bought my Nagant (similar to the one below), she was a '1942 model', and had 26 tic marks down the side of the stock. Since then, she's been one of the best deer and elk rifles I've owned. I choose that old girl over the A-Bolt I inheirited from my dad whenever I manage to get drawn.
(http://world.guns.ru/rifle/mosin91-30s.jpg)
I've got to get me a Nagant. My local gun dealer has a couple of the cavalry models in stock, I think.
All I can say against the Nagant is that you have to watch the manufacture dates carefully. The one thing to avoid in this regard is the 1943 model year. Reason being is that, being short on steel for tooling at the close of 1942, the Russkies re-used the worn out 1942 tools for the 1943 model year. As a result, the accuracy suffered in the 1943 units.
H5 for the tip.