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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Hawkgirl on September 18, 2008, 08:48:23 PM
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Russia to help Cuba build space center
Russian officials said they want to renew Cuban ties after Soviet collapse
updated 6:52 p.m. ET, Wed., Sept. 17, 2008
MOSCOW - Moscow is ready to help Cuba develop its own space center, Russia's space agency chief said on Wednesday after talks in Caracas with Venezuelan and Cuban officials, Itar-Tass news agency reported.
Russia has stepped up efforts to develop closer links with both countries, which are ideological enemies of Washington, including sending Russian strategic bombers on a mission to Venezuela this month.
"We have held preliminary discussions about the possibility of creating a space center in Cuba with our help," the chief of Russia's Federal Space Agency Anatoly Perminov was quoted as saying by Itar-Tass in Caracas.
Source (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26755418/)
Missile bases in Cuba.....call it a Space Center and hopefully this time the Americans won't be suspicious....Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm :whatever:
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when I saw this story I couldn't get these images of Cuban technology out of my head...
Are they gonna launch a 48 Buick into space ? Will it even get out of cuban airspace ?
(http://tommyimages.com/Stock_Photos/Caribbean/Cuba/Classic_American_Cars/slides/Cuba_3422-Havana_Classic_Car.jpg)
(http://media.canada.com/ec39df83-fe4a-4b86-8cf9-8fbd0bc59e03/real.cuba.jpg)
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when I saw this story I couldn't get these images of Cuban technology out of my head...
Hence my remark. This whole "deal" reeks of bullshit.
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when I saw this story I couldn't get these images of Cuban technology out of my head...
Hence my remark. This whole "deal" reeks of bullshit.
No No -- We stupid Americans don't understand -- Those things that look like cold-war era ICBMs are actually rockets destined for space exploration....
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The Russkies are gonna' put their military in Cuba under the guise of helping Cuba's space program.
Haven't we seen this before?
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The Russkies are gonna' put their military in Cuba under the guise of helping Cuba's space program.
Haven't we seen this before?
Last time they tried this, we had someone in office who had the testicular fortitude to back the Russkies down.
I sure as shit hope we have similar brass balls in the CinC's seat this time.
Run Hillary Run!
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Cuba, with a Space Center? BWAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Reminds me of the "Wilzyx" episode of South Park.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155142
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If that's how they want to spend their hand-to-mouth energy income, goodie for them. Better that than refitting their boomers.
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why does the punchline about the polish submarine sinking because someone forgot to close the screen door immediately come to mind?
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when I saw this story I couldn't get these images of Cuban technology out of my head...
Hence my remark. This whole "deal" reeks of bullshit.
No No -- We stupid Americans don't understand -- Those things that look like cold-war era ICBMs are actually rockets destined for space exploration....
the rocket that takes the russians into space today in fact was a cold war era ICBM
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Actually, I think the Russians are looking for a launch site that they can use to place satellites in geosynchronous orbit, which they are largely incapable of accomplishing from their present group of "cosmodromes".......
doc
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No No -- We stupid Americans don't understand -- Those things that look like cold-war era ICBMs are actually rockets destined for space exploration....
the rocket that takes the russians into space today in fact was a cold war era ICBM
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I know, Scary ain't it ? :-) I really don't understand how the Russians can convince anyone to get launched in one..
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I know, Scary ain't it ? :-) I really don't understand how the Russians can convince anyone to get launched in one..
Well....when it comes to this type of hardware application, there is no substitute for proven reliability (when it absolutely, positively has to work right every time) , and Russian "heavy lift" boosters have always been excellent designs. When western quality control and manufacturing methods are used, the end result is a good combination. You might be interested to know that a lot of the parts in the current crop of Russian boosters are built by General Dynamics, and Raytheon........I'm not defending the Russians, but facts are facts.....
Our "shuttle" ain't exactly new technology.......
doc
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I was able to find a sneak peek of the rendering of the Cuban space ship:
(http://cubancigarworld.com/images/cuban_cigar.jpg)
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(http://www.jokesandhumor.com/jokes/pictures/treehouse.jpg)
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Well....when it comes to this type of hardware application, there is no substitute for proven reliability (when it absolutely, positively has to work right every time) , and Russian "heavy lift" boosters have always been excellent designs. When western quality control and manufacturing methods are used, the end result is a good combination. You might be interested to know that a lot of the parts in the current crop of Russian boosters are built by General Dynamics, and Raytheon........I'm not defending the Russians, but facts are facts.....
Our "shuttle" ain't exactly new technology.......
doc
The shuttle is long outdated, for sure - but, in my original response I guess I was just being a bit too snarky -
"No No -- We stupid Americans don't understand -- Those things that look like cold-war era ICBMs are actually rockets destined for space exploration.... "
Basically suggesting that one or two of those converted ICBMs are less converted than we will be led to believe - when something goes wrong with the latest space launch and the craft "accidentally" slams into Florida.
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Translation: Russia convinced Cuba to buy a lot of its useless crap.
Nothing to see here folks.
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Russia has some serious problems looming. They can't afford to build anything in Cuba:
But skeptics believe the buoyancy of the Russian economy, and a corporate sector in which key assets are increasingly controlled by the state, can't last. "These guys are running around now acting as if they're geniuses," says a senior executive at a foreign subsidiary based in Moscow, "because the Chinese and Indians are getting rich and driving up demand for everything. Talk about being born on third base and thinking you hit a triple."
A cautionary example is the oil and gas sector, the main beneficiary of the sharp rise in prices over the past three years - and a key sector in which the state has reasserted control. Production, analysts note, may actually decline this year as a result of flagging investment. In response, Russia cut corporate taxes in the oil and gas sector this past spring, but it's not clear that it will be enough to revive what should be a booming industry. A former Yukos executive who did not want to be identified says the problem is soaring costs and aging fields - both of which require "the industry's best technology and management to rectify. Unfortunately, they're doing their level best to drive that out of Russia. Look at Yukos. Look at TNK-BP now."
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/04/news/international/powell_KGB.fortune/index2.htm
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Anyone else see this as a possible response to the placement of US missile defense systems in Europe? The ones that have pissed the Russkies off?
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Well....when it comes to this type of hardware application, there is no substitute for proven reliability (when it absolutely, positively has to work right every time) , and Russian "heavy lift" boosters have always been excellent designs. When western quality control and manufacturing methods are used, the end result is a good combination. You might be interested to know that a lot of the parts in the current crop of Russian boosters are built by General Dynamics, and Raytheon........I'm not defending the Russians, but facts are facts.....
Our "shuttle" ain't exactly new technology.......
doc
The shuttle is long outdated, for sure - but, in my original response I guess I was just being a bit too snarky -
"No No -- We stupid Americans don't understand -- Those things that look like cold-war era ICBMs are actually rockets destined for space exploration.... "
Basically suggesting that one or two of those converted ICBMs are less converted than we will be led to believe - when something goes wrong with the latest space launch and the craft "accidentally" slams into Florida.
they haven't used that particular rocket as an ICBM since the early 1960s... The rocket they use to send people to space is just an updated version of the one that sent sputnik up back in 1957.
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Translation: Russia convinced Cuba to buy a lot of its useless crap.
Nothing to see here folks.
cuba isn't going to run that place. They will probably just be paid rent for the land. I don't see how their rockets are "useless crap", who do you think is sending the supply capsules to the international space station?
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Translation: Russia convinced Cuba to buy a lot of its useless crap.
Nothing to see here folks.
cuba isn't going to run that place. They will probably just be paid rent for the land. I don't see how their rockets are "useless crap", who do you think is sending the supply capsules to the international space station?
History has shown that the "top-of-the-line" materials they sell to other countries has indeed been useless crap. I posted an article on Russia's economy which pretty much demonstrates that this little project they would like to engage Cuba in is not exactly prudent for their economic future -- but of course we have seen this from Russia before have we not?
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Translation: Russia convinced Cuba to buy a lot of its useless crap.
Nothing to see here folks.
cuba isn't going to run that place. They will probably just be paid rent for the land. I don't see how their rockets are "useless crap", who do you think is sending the supply capsules to the international space station?
History has shown that the "top-of-the-line" materials they sell to other countries has indeed been useless crap. I posted an article on Russia's economy which pretty much demonstrates that this little project they would like to engage Cuba in is not exactly prudent for their economic future -- but of course we have seen this from Russia before have we not?
we're talking about rockets used to go to space. Again, when have they been proven to be "useless crap"?
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Translation: Russia convinced Cuba to buy a lot of its useless crap.
Nothing to see here folks.
cuba isn't going to run that place. They will probably just be paid rent for the land. I don't see how their rockets are "useless crap", who do you think is sending the supply capsules to the international space station?
History has shown that the "top-of-the-line" materials they sell to other countries has indeed been useless crap. I posted an article on Russia's economy which pretty much demonstrates that this little project they would like to engage Cuba in is not exactly prudent for their economic future -- but of course we have seen this from Russia before have we not?
we're talking about rockets used to go to space. Again, when have they been proven to be "useless crap"?
No, we are talking about a launching pad. What? you think Russia wants to help Cuba make space shuttles? seriously?
Again, they have more pressing issues at home so they really can't afford such endeavors can they?
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Translation: Russia convinced Cuba to buy a lot of its useless crap.
Nothing to see here folks.
cuba isn't going to run that place. They will probably just be paid rent for the land. I don't see how their rockets are "useless crap", who do you think is sending the supply capsules to the international space station?
History has shown that the "top-of-the-line" materials they sell to other countries has indeed been useless crap. I posted an article on Russia's economy which pretty much demonstrates that this little project they would like to engage Cuba in is not exactly prudent for their economic future -- but of course we have seen this from Russia before have we not?
we're talking about rockets used to go to space. Again, when have they been proven to be "useless crap"?
No, we are talking about a launching pad. What? you think Russia wants to help Cuba make space shuttles? seriously?
Again, they have more pressing issues at home so they really can't afford such endeavors can they?
Cuba won't have anything to do with the place, they might be paid in rent, or some other form of compensation for use of the land, but no more. How much do you think it will cost to build this place anyway? You seem to think it's going to bankrupt them.
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Translation: Russia convinced Cuba to buy a lot of its useless crap.
Nothing to see here folks.
cuba isn't going to run that place. They will probably just be paid rent for the land. I don't see how their rockets are "useless crap", who do you think is sending the supply capsules to the international space station?
History has shown that the "top-of-the-line" materials they sell to other countries has indeed been useless crap. I posted an article on Russia's economy which pretty much demonstrates that this little project they would like to engage Cuba in is not exactly prudent for their economic future -- but of course we have seen this from Russia before have we not?
we're talking about rockets used to go to space. Again, when have they been proven to be "useless crap"?
No, we are talking about a launching pad. What? you think Russia wants to help Cuba make space shuttles? seriously?
Again, they have more pressing issues at home so they really can't afford such endeavors can they?
Cuba won't have anything to do with the place, they might be paid in rent, or some other form of compensation for use of the land, but no more. How much do you think it will cost to build this place anyway? You seem to think it's going to bankrupt them.
Moving their program to Cuba could very well bankrupt them given the problems they are having at home.
Interesting note, it appears to all nonsense anyway:
The Russian deployment appeared to be a response to the American move to send warships to deliver aid to Georgia after its war last month with Russia.
Prime Minister Vladimir Putin harshly criticized America and NATO naval deployment to the Black Sea last month and threatened unspecified retaliation.
Without specifically referring to the deployment of bombers to Venezuela, Mr. Putin appeared to indicate today that it was a response to the American navy presence in the Black Sea.
"God forbid from engaging in any kind of controversy in the American continent; this is considered the 'holiest of the holy,'" Mr. Putin said during a meeting with Western political scholars at his Black Sea residence in Sochi. "And they drive ships with weapons to a place just 10 kilometers from where we're at? Is this normal? Is this an equitable move?"
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/russia-pledges-more-overseas-deployments/85666/
Just a temper tantrum of sorts. Russia has zero support for their aircraft and its a long way home. Yawn.
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what do you mean by zero support? zero in venezuela, or in general?
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The only thing keeping Putins space program going is American tax dollars. He doesn't have the cash to fund this and his own space program at home. IF there is even so much as a whiff of something amiss the Russians would loose all that multi billion dollar support for their trips to the ISS and we keep the shuttle fleet going for another 5 - 10 years..
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The only t6hing keeping putins space program going is American Tax dollars. He doesn't have the cash to fund this and his own space prgram at home. IF there is even so much as a whiff of something amiss the Russians would loose all that multi billion dollar support for their trips to the ISS and we keep the shuttle fleet going for another 5 - 10 years..
so all those companies/governments that use them to launch their satellites are just doing it for free?
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what do you mean by zero support? zero in venezuela, or in general?
They will be flying in their parts and mechanics while they sit and wait, and wait, and wait.
We of course will be so impressed by their show of force.....
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The only t6hing keeping putins space program going is American Tax dollars. He doesn't have the cash to fund this and his own space prgram at home. IF there is even so much as a whiff of something amiss the Russians would loose all that multi billion dollar support for their trips to the ISS and we keep the shuttle fleet going for another 5 - 10 years..
so all those companies/governments that use them to launch their satellites are just doing it for free?
Use them. Use us. Use other countries.
So?
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The only t6hing keeping putins space program going is American Tax dollars. He doesn't have the cash to fund this and his own space prgram at home. IF there is even so much as a whiff of something amiss the Russians would loose all that multi billion dollar support for their trips to the ISS and we keep the shuttle fleet going for another 5 - 10 years..
Yeah it is all show by Putin.
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what do you mean by zero support? zero in venezuela, or in general?
They will be flying in their parts and mechanics while they sit and wait, and wait, and wait.
We of course will be so impressed by their show of force.....
if you're talking about the 2 bombers in venezuela, then it already happened, and they already left..
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what do you mean by zero support? zero in venezuela, or in general?
They will be flying in their parts and mechanics while they sit and wait, and wait, and wait.
We of course will be so impressed by their show of force.....
if you're talking about the 2 bombers in venezuela, then it already happened, and they already left..
I am talking about the "threat" of regular missions to Venezuela.
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Matrix, if you were any more Pro Russian their asses would have your lip prints all over it.
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Matrix, if you were any more Pro Russian their asses would have your lip prints all over it.
right.
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The only t6hing keeping putins space program going is American Tax dollars. He doesn't have the cash to fund this and his own space prgram at home. IF there is even so much as a whiff of something amiss the Russians would loose all that multi billion dollar support for their trips to the ISS and we keep the shuttle fleet going for another 5 - 10 years..
so all those companies/governments that use them to launch their satellites are just doing it for free?
Use them. Use us. Use other countries.
So?
so our tax dollars aren't the only thing keeping them around...
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Matrix, if you were any more Pro Russian their asses would have your lip prints all over it.
I've been wanting to use this smiley... :suckup:
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Matrix, if you were any more Pro Russian their asses would have your lip prints all over it.
actually, i have seen the light.
We should bomb that russkie launch pad as soon as its done.
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The only t6hing keeping putins space program going is American Tax dollars. He doesn't have the cash to fund this and his own space prgram at home. IF there is even so much as a whiff of something amiss the Russians would loose all that multi billion dollar support for their trips to the ISS and we keep the shuttle fleet going for another 5 - 10 years..
so all those companies/governments that use them to launch their satellites are just doing it for free?
Use them. Use us. Use other countries.
So?
so our tax dollars aren't the only thing keeping them around...
I don't understand what your point is with regard to this conversation. The money that is paid to Russia to launch satellites for corporations will not make a hill of beans difference in their looming problems with their economy.
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Matrix, if you were any more Pro Russian their asses would have your lip prints all over it.
actually, i have seen the light.
We should bomb that russkie launch pad as soon as its done.
Nah, we'll let mother nature take care of it.
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The only t6hing keeping putins space program going is American Tax dollars. He doesn't have the cash to fund this and his own space prgram at home. IF there is even so much as a whiff of something amiss the Russians would loose all that multi billion dollar support for their trips to the ISS and we keep the shuttle fleet going for another 5 - 10 years..
so all those companies/governments that use them to launch their satellites are just doing it for free?
Use them. Use us. Use other countries.
So?
so our tax dollars aren't the only thing keeping them around...
I don't understand what your point is with regard to this conversation. The money that is paid to Russia to launch satellites for corporations will not make a hill of beans difference in their looming problems with their economy.
that response was addressed to airwolf
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Look Forrest ,if your just going to come on here and be a wet between the legs cheerleader for the Russians, I'm certain DU would love to have you join up.
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Look Forrest ,if your just going to come on here and be a wet between the legs cheerleader for the Russians, I'm certain DU would love to have you join up.
as usual, your comments are insightful and interesting. Let's examine your posts in this thread, shall we? first you said:
"The only t6hing[sic] keeping putins space program going is American Tax dollars. He doesn't have the cash to fund this and his own space prgram[sic] at home. IF there is even so much as a whiff of something amiss the Russians would loose[sic] all that multi billion dollar support for their trips to the ISS and we keep the shuttle fleet going for another 5 - 10 years..
sentence structure and spelling aside, your "insightful" post is simply factually incorrect. Of course, correcting your error would be being a "cheerleader for the Russians", wouldn't it?