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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on October 16, 2025, 01:03:49 PM
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LogDog75 (920 posts)
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 10:42 PM
Hegseth want to mistreat military basic trainees
Macho man Hegseth wants to go "Old School" on military trainees in basic training. I think he's seen too many old movies and read too many Beetle Bailey cartoons about Sgt. Snorkle.
“We’re empowering drill sergeants to instill healthy fear in new recruits, ensuring that future warfighters are forged,” he said. “They can toss bunks, they can swear, and yes, they can put their hands on recruits. This does not mean they can be reckless or violate the law, but they can use tried and true methods to motivate new recruits, to make them the warriors they need to be.”
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/hegseth-wants-basic-to-go-old-school-what-policies-must-change-first/
The old idea of tossing bunks, swearing, and putting their hands on recruits is one way to persuade young men and women not to enlist in the military. If this is allowed in basic training then once the trainees graduate they'll expect that to the standard when they arrive at technical school and their subsequent assignments. Once they become supervisors/leaders, they'll treat their troops the way their basic training instructors treated them during basic. Why would anyone want to make the military a career knowing they'll be treated like second class citizens.
I enlisted in the AF on January31, 1975 and attend basic training at Lackland AFB. Not once during my basic training did the instructor swear, toss bunks, put their hands on anyone, or intimidate any of his recruits. He was a professional with the way he treated us and with the exception of maybe two people who washed out he molded us into Airmen. He was firm but fair with us and he did what a leader does; make us want to work as a team and accomplish our objective whether it was on the firing range, marching, or learning about the Air Force and what it is about.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220723990
flying rabbit (4,898 posts)
1. The Russian military uses hazing, intimidation, rape and beatings.
Hows that working out for them?
Apart from your drug-addled imagination, who said anything about rapes and beatings?
yorkster (3,434 posts)
2. What a repulsive, dangerous fool.
patphil (8,353 posts)
3. Health fear?
Reply to LogDog75 (Original post)
Wed Oct 15, 2025, 10:55 PM
There's no such thing.
This isn't going to result in recruits respecting their leaders. It's essentially creates a culture of violence. The resulting soldiers aren't warriors, they're thugs.
Discipline doesn't come from fear, it comes from respect, and respect comes from acknowledgement of true leadership.
True leaders earn the respect of those who follow them.
I went through basic training in the summer of 1969, and know of what I speak.
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Our first night in the squad bay after reception, the Drill Sergeant had us sitting around him in a horseshow as he explained how things were going to work. He told this one trainee to get him some paper towels from the latrine. The kid got up and sauntered off. The DS went silence as his eyes locked on the kid. That silence and that stare made the rest of us turn around to look.
As the kid came back, paper towels in hand, the DS bolted from our midst. He must have covered 20 feet in 3 strides. He grabbed the kid by the lapels of his uniform and hoisted him off the ground, slamming him - loudly - into the wall lockers. Holding the kid off the ground, the DS growled - and I swear this has stuck with me, lo these many decades - "You wanna pimp walk in front of me? Pimps sell women! My mother is a woman! My wife is a woman! My daughter is a woman! Do you want to sell them?"
"N-no, drill sergeant."
"Then, don't ever let me catch you walking like a pimp in front of me."
The DS dropped the kid back to the ground and returned to the center of the horseshow to resume his talk.
At graduation, we all remarked how ramrod straight that kid still stood. I myself often received comments on my posture from civilians. I never pimp-walked and I never got hoisted, but the lesson sunk in to me as well.
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The old idea of tossing bunks, swearing, and putting their hands on recruits
That’s what turns teenagers into men. I was in the Navy and they did that stuff to us. Some how we all survived and were better for the experience.
The left tried turning the military into a social experiment. We gaze transvestites and a kinder, gentle or military. It’s bullshit. The military‘s job is to go to Warzone kill everybody destroy everything and then come home winner. :thatsright:
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“We’re empowering drill sergeants to instill healthy fear in new recruits, ensuring that future warfighters are forged,” he said. “They can toss bunks, they can swear, and yes, they can put their hands on recruits. This does not mean they can be reckless or violate the law, but they can use tried and true methods to motivate new recruits, to make them the warriors they need to be.”
Ralphie sees zero problem with that. If you want to make our military tough and potential warfighters, it is fully within bounds to train them hard. The potential enemy certainly won't be treating our military with kid gloves and kumbaya enlightening moments.
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Even worse to Proper Progs, the same fitness requirements will apply to women as to men.
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"Then, don't ever let me catch you walking like a pimp in front of me."
Walk. With. Purpose.
Serious people do not meander.
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I went through basic training like that in 1980. So, what is the problem? It's not like what you see in "Full Metal Jacket that he is talking about. the Dummies whining about this have probably never served in any branch of the Armed Forces. When I failed to meet the standards, I fully expected my leadership to do their jobs and make the proper corrections and i did it myself.
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:rotf:
Each platoon in Basic had 2 drill sergeants and a drill corporal. None of them gave a damn what we thought about them. The Black Hats at Airborne school were merciless.
It’s time to get back to the basics and quit pandering. It’s not going to kill you, it’s going to mold you and help you grow.
KC
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:rotf:
Each platoon in Basic had 2 drill sergeants and a drill corporal. None of them gave a damn what we thought about them. The Black Hats at Airborne school were merciless...
If you thought the Drill Sergeants, Cadre and the Airborne school instructors were merciless, you should pause and think on how merciless THE ENEMY is going to be if you allow yourself to fall into HIS clutches...
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If you thought the Drill Sergeants, Cadre and the Airborne school instructors were merciless, you should pause and think on how merciless THE ENEMY is going to be if you allow yourself to fall into HIS clutches...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZvuH3IaAAAbk-x.jpg)
Interesting Fact: I learned from a visiting Jordanian pilot that in one such incident involved a captured Jordanian pilot. The king was so incensed, he personally piloted one of the aircraft in the retaliatory strikes.
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Interesting Fact: I learned from a visiting Jordanian pilot that in one such incident involved a captured Jordanian pilot. The king was so incensed, he personally piloted one of the aircraft in the retaliatory strikes.
That’s a cool story!
KC
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The reason this DUcgebag wasn't "mistreated" in basic training was because he enlisted in the Chair Force. :wink: