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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on September 16, 2008, 06:26:21 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4004927
Oh my.
flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 12:51 PM
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Off limits my butt.
Sorry but I can't contain myself anymore. We hold sports celebrities out a role models. A President was impeached because of his "moral failings" and the example he set for our children.
So here we have a Vice Presidential candidate whose teen aged daughter gets knocked up and we're supposed to believe its a blessing and leave it off limits for comment?
Bullshit! It's a scandal and it deserves to be out in the open and seen for what it is; a moral failing of the parents. What sort of example does this set for girls and young women? Go ahead, have unprotected sex, get married at 17 to the high school drop out dad and we'll call it a blessing. Yeah, everybody join it! No repercussions, no responsibility. Instead we reward the parent with the second highest office in the land.
There, I feel better now.
It's a medium-sized bonfire, but only the primitives of prominence:
grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 01:16 PM
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2. and while we're at it.......where is that baby?
Who is taking care of that baby? Yes, it's true that a father can nurture a child, but I believe the father is also on the campaign trail. Who is bonding with that wee thing? I'm feeling very sad for that child.
Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
17. You should be.
Sounds like she made some good decisions and was guided by loving parents.
Don't listen to the trolls.
magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #9
19. It's the hypocrisy re Family Values
The Repubs are all about them, want everyone to live by them, and take every opportunity to find complaint with Dems no matter how well or poorly off they are...but when they themselves fail to live up to their own standards, scores of apologists pop up for them.
If the Repubs want to force everyone to live by their "values" then they shouldn't expect to be let off the hook when their own families turn out to be as normal as anyone else's. They're hypocrites, and there's nothing wrong with point that out.
magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-16-08 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #26
32. Hm, I'm not so sure about that
I think any mother would be distressed to some degree on learning her 17-year old unwed daughter had gotten herself pregnant, no matter what her politics. Now, how she handled it with her daughter might be colored by her world view -- the options she might discuss and how open she was to them -- but in the end mothers are pretty much the same on wanting the best for their children, and pregnancy at such a young age does have real world ramifications on a young woman's future. (And the young man's, if he's cowed into a marriage he wasn't prepared for. That, by the way, I feel is wrong, forcing two young people to marry in a situation like this. The Repubs carry "personal responsibility" too far IMO...when it applies to others. Everyone must pay the ultimate price for their particular transgression...Wow.)
I agree with the points made by the OP and asdjrocky, the Repubs are too inconsistent when it comes to applying their precious values. The truth they won't acknowledge is that we all have them, and we all smash them once in a while.
The pollen primitive, the primitive who doesn't like small town folk:
RGBolen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 06:16 PM
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11. Because they believe that is what a woman is supposed to do get out and birth her man some babies. And by woman I mean anything that can carry a man's baby for him. If she complains about not getting an education and having a career they'll just tell her "your a mother nothing else you could do will ever be that important," and hopefully not leave her alone around guns.
There's some entanglements with moles at this bonfire.
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11. Because they believe that is what a woman is supposed to do get out and birth her man some babies.
If I were a DUmmy I would have to point out that this sounds like a parody of black lingo and therefore the poster is a racist.
Since I am not a DUmmy I will just call the poster what he is.....ignorant.
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11. Because they believe that is what a woman is supposed to do get out and birth her man some babies.
If I were a DUmmy I would have to point out that this sounds like a parody of black lingo and therefore the poster is a racist.
Since I am not a DUmmy I will just call the poster what he is.....ignorant.
The pollen primitive does bear a grudge against "rustics."
I think it's an inferiority complex on the part of the pollen primitive; he's not as good as they are, and so he cranks up his Hate Machine when he comments about them.
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I see the problem, she's 17, doesn't have 4 kids by 4 different men, they're not all supported by the government and the "BIG ONE", she ain't gonna vote democrat.
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Lest the DUmmie forgets that they may not want to go there, that the anointed one osamabama was conceived out of wedlock to a girl who at the time was either 16 or 17.
And if the DUmmie really wants to push it, they could check out a post from a few days back that I made or just watch the "non safe kids" video (http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html).
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I'm sure Flamin Lib is utterly skanktastic, so I am fine with her posterior being off-limits (even more so if I'm mistaken and the little shrieker is actually a dude that just writes like a girl).
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11. Because they believe that is what a woman is supposed to do get out and birth her man some babies.
If I were a DUmmy I would have to point out that this sounds like a parody of black lingo and therefore the poster is a racist.
Since I am not a DUmmy I will just call the poster what he is.....ignorant.
Well played sir, well played.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 01:16 PM
Response to Original message
2. and while we're at it.......where is that baby?
Who is taking care of that baby? Yes, it's true that a father can nurture a child, but I believe the father is also on the campaign trail. Who is bonding with that wee thing? I'm feeling very sad for that child.
I don't know how many times I've seen Trig Palin right on the stage with mom being held by a family member/friend while he sleeps peacefully.
Cindie
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Lest the DUmmie forgets that they may not want to go there, that the anointed one osamabama was conceived out of wedlock to a girl who at the time was either 16 or 17.
So....based on the DUmp's assessment of the Palin girl's situation, their messiah should have been subjected to a "mandatory abortion".
And....based on a position taken by their messiah himself, if he had survived that abortion, the abortionist should have been free to kill him.
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They will never get that Clinton was impeached because he lied under oath. His sex life was relevant because it pertained to a rape/sexual harassment case which HE was being accused in. It was germain and he chose to lie about current involvements that would have brought relevance to the accusations UNDER OATH! One involved the legal system and had relevance because the case involved someone's sexual misconduct, the other is a personal matter with no ties to any ongoing or forthcoming cases. One person held the highest public office in the land when they lied, and the other was running for the 2nd highest office, has been forthright about her family, and has not lied in an ongoing investigation. Apples and oranges, DUmmies, apples and oranges.
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 12:51 PM
Original message
Off limits my butt.
Sorry but I can't contain myself anymore. We hold sports celebrities out a role models. A President was impeached because of his "moral failings" and the example he set for our children.
So here we have a Vice Presidential candidate whose teen aged daughter gets knocked up and we're supposed to believe its a blessing and leave it off limits for comment?
Bullshit! It's a scandal and it deserves to be out in the open and seen for what it is; a moral failing of the parents. What sort of example does this set for girls and young women? Go ahead, have unprotected sex, get married at 17 to the high school drop out dad and we'll call it a blessing. Yeah, everybody join it! No repercussions, no responsibility. Instead we reward the parent with the second highest office in the land.
There, I feel better now.
Bubba was impeached because of something that he did, and that was lying to Congress while under oath. His BJ was irrelevant.
The DUmmy's want to hold Gov. Palin responsible for the actions of someone else. They can't grasp the difference. :mental:
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #9
19. It's the hypocrisy re Family Values
The Repubs are all about them, want everyone to live by them, and take every opportunity to find complaint with Dems no matter how well or poorly off they are...but when they themselves fail to live up to their own standards, scores of apologists pop up for them.
If the Repubs want to force everyone to live by their "values" then they shouldn't expect to be let off the hook when their own families turn out to be as normal as anyone else's. They're hypocrites, and there's nothing wrong with point that out.
Magellan, you blithering idiot...this IS family values. Family values don't mean "being perfect" and having "perfect" kids. You give your children a set of moral values and live them yourself (realizing ALL of us will fall short because we're human). At the crux of all value systems (because conservatives aren't monolithic) is taking responsibility for your actions. When someone does make a mistake then "family values" means you damn well help them take responsibility and give them all the love and support you can. But I know it's pretty impossible for someone with the moral values of a rabid gorilla and the brains of a slug to adjust your worldview beyond your stereotypes so I know not to expect much more than indignant flailing about things you don't understand.
Cindie
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Lurking_Argyle (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 02:09 PM
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4. Theo-con hypocritcal SOP
the standard "do as I say, not as I do" line of lying bullshit. Add to that the screaming double standard if a minority teen were in the same situation, I'm sure they wouldn't call it "a blessing". Theo-cons don't even live according to their own rules. Now they want to make those personal/private rules into public policy. I have a problem with that.
In a fair world, if the best the resluglicans can do is lame old maver-rick-roll McClone and theo-con Caribou Barbie (who should be home with the kids, anyway, 'cause that's what theo-con women are supposed to do), this election shouldn't be close, but...
if a minority teen were in the same situation, I'm sure they wouldn't call it "a blessing" - Not only are all children blessings, we would even do our best to make sure the blessing survived to be born and the mother had everything she needed to care for blessing or the resources to find blessing an adoptive home.
theo-con Caribou Barbie (who should be home with the kids, anyway, 'cause that's what theo-con women are supposed to do - From the educated and enlightened party.