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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: BannedFromDU on April 17, 2025, 01:48:14 PM
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Mr.WeRP (768 posts) Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:36 PM
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Martial Law is coming. Here is a likely playbook of what happens next
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/trump-insurrection-act-april-20-20269810.php
On Jan. 20, Trump issued an executive order tasking the secretaries of the Department of Defense and Department of Homeland Security to submit a joint report, within 90 days, recommending “whether to invoke the Insurrection Act.” The deadline for that report is April 20.
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He also replaced the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs with a CPAC-darling who endeared himself to Trump by wearing a MAGA hat. And he fired the Judge Advocate Generals for the Army, Navy and Air Force — the top uniformed lawyers responsible for reviewing the orders from the commander-in-chief and defense secretary to determine whether they’re legal. Trump’s defense secretary explained this action was taken preemptively to prevent the JAGs from blocking “orders that are given by a commander in chief.” Clearing the way, among other things, for the White House to begin consolidating federal law enforcement under military leadership. The Secretary of the Army, for example, in a move consistent with preparing for martial law, was just placed in charge of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), with surprisingly little push back.
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Let’s be clear what this adds up to: The man who promised to “declare martial law on day one” has wasted no time taking actions designed to subvert the military to meet this end.
Yet despite Trump’s fondness for blasting through norms, there is one norm upon which his apparent plan, and political survival, depends: the military recognizing him as their commander-in-chief and obeying his orders.
That norm is no more carved in stone than any other.
More at the link but essentially, once Trump issues an order to use the military against the civilian population or any other illegal order, the military, as coded into military law, can remove any executive, including the President, who would violate the Constitution. Ultimately, declaring Martial Law may backfire on Trump. Our only hope, if he does, is that the Military removes him.
I'd prefer they just put the DUmmies in a big camp, with the best and most reliable internet service possible so we can bask in their impotent rage (https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220246723)
Tickle (3,989 posts)
1. It is supposed to be this Sunday 4/20 NT
Wrong 420, mannnnnnnnnn.
If you read the replies, which I don't care to bring over, they are clearly PRAYING for martial law to be implemented. As I always say, liberals absolutely demand that they live in the most consequential times in human history. Their egos require nothing less.
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Please, please, please let some clueless DU-Denizen bump this DU-thread Monday with, "What happened? Why no Marshal Law?"
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Please, please, please let some clueless DU-Denizen bump this DU-thread Monday with, "What happened? Why no Marshal Law?"
"it was us, shining a light on it on DU. No WAY they're pull the trigger with us keeping an eye on them, the bastards."
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One has to wonder if these people ever leave the confines of their homes. And if they do, do they leave a two block area?
KC
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One has to wonder if these people ever leave the confines of their homes. And if they do, do they leave a two block area?
KC
Depends on the distance to the nearest :stoner: dispensary. :rimshot: :-)
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Trey Parker and Matt Stone really need to make a cartoon series about DU that's like South Park. Or at least have Eric Cartman extend his hatred of hippies to DUmbies.
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When it doesn't happen, they'll no doubt either go silent, or scramble to think of reasons why it didn't happen (probably trying to glorify themselves in the process).
What they will not do is question their underlying assumptions about the Trump administration.
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He should just declare martial law in the big blue cities that have turned into hellholes.
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Trey Parker and Matt Stone really need to make a cartoon series about DU that's like South Park. Or at least have Eric Cartman extend his hatred of hippies to DUmbies.
OH MY GOD! They killed PCintern!
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OH MY GOD! They killed PCintern!
Sadly, he comes back to life for the next episode..
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OH MY GOD! They killed PCintern!
You Bastards!!
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Sadly, he comes back to life for the next episode..
So did Kenny for the longest time.
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Should I reg on DU and post "Marshall Law" in that thread Monday morning? :-)
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OH MY GOD! They killed PCintern!
Or "OH MY GOD! They didn't kill Steve Dawes!" Have we reached the 10-year anniversary of his announcement that he only had months to live yet?
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They already have the badges ready for the DU Disappearing Division.
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When it doesn't happen, they'll no doubt either go silent, or scramble to think of reasons why it didn't happen (probably trying to glorify themselves in the process).
What they will not do is question their underlying assumptions about the Trump administration.
no no no man, you just read it wrong. they meant 4 BUSINESS Sundays
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He'll declare a state of martial law on Easter Sunday?
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He'll declare a state of martial law on Easter Sunday?
That's when everybody least expects it!
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That's when everybody least expects it!
And after that, we give the DUmp'Rats to the MAGA inquisition for sifting... :bwah:
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Happy martial law day! Oh, and happy Easter!
KC
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Happy Easter!
This Marshall law thing is a lot more laid back than I thought. Honestly, I can't tell any difference around here.
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Tick, tock... :whatever:
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I finally decided to actually visit that thread. Wow.
LudwigPastorius (12,200 posts)
2. "...the military...can remove any executive, including the President, who would violate the Constitution."
Exactly what law says that the military can remove a president who violates the Constitution?
A fair question deserves a ridiculous answer...
Mr.WeRP (770 posts)
5. Read the article?
Here let me snip it for you:
The applicable authority is in Army Regulation 600-20, which addresses command function, and the command that focuses on causes for removal. Sufficient cause should be evident,
No, honey. Congress did not write regulations that allow the military to remove its commander in chief according to its own determinations.
LudwigPastorius (12,200 posts)
6. The Commander in Chief is not a member of the military and is not bound by military law.
Besides, Regulation 600-20, 2-18 "Relief for cause" concerns superior officers removing a subordinate. Trump, as CIC, is not subordinate to anyone in the chain of command.
Fair. So...
Mr.WeRP (770 posts)
12. Under Martial Law there is no Civilian commander
This playbook is written by a Military scholar and is a former Marine officer.
"Under Martial Law there is no Civilian commander"? In what universe. When does Trump suddenly become an officer?
The author is a raving looney. A couple of battalion commanders resign in California and that's all that's needed for the Provost Marshall in DC to affect the arrest of the president. They just drive up to the White House and it's done.
RJ-MacReady (366 posts)
7. I have said before
This is why blue states need to replace all national gaurd commanders who would obey trump, now.
Here's something you may not know: Governors are free to appoint their own officers, but unless they are federally recognized, they are not considered real officers. The federal government also pays for the overwhelming majority Guard expenses, especially equipment and salaries. It's all meant to streamline matters when NG troops are federalized, but it became ironclad since we spent 2 decades federalizing NG troops for the GWOT.
I don't like the federal dependency because I'm a small-R republican, but this is the contemporary operating environment and anything that fails to plan accordingly fails.
TommyT139 (1,235 posts)
30. No - just call up the guards first
This excellent article, although slightly optimistic, because it was written prior to inauguration) holds that governors should call up their guards before Trump does, because then he can't.
https://wagingnonviolence.org/2025/04/what-to-do-if-the-insurrection-act-is-invoked/
And pay them, how? What about the fact these Soldiers have jobs, business, and college classes? Don't forget the full-time Title 10 missions. Those are "pre-federalized."
After an attempt to talk sense:
Mr.WeRP (770 posts)
15. You are way off base bud.
The author is a known military scholar and former marine.
I also served my country in the Army. I’ll take the author’s authority on this matter over some dude on the Internet.
I retired from the Army. The author is a loon.
There's another point I wanted to make, but this guy brings it up:
Buckeyeblue (5,867 posts)
24. Our military isn't big enough to manage our population
If Trump declared martial law--and I don't think he will--I think it would cause a national revolt. I also think congress would impeach and convict him in the face of such a national revolt.
And yet, we're told by the left that the 2nd Amendment is obsolete.
WiVoter (1,251 posts)
31. April 20, Hitler's Birthday
Yeah, this ****er will try it.
OMGWTF (4,664 posts)
53. It's also Easter Sunday which is a BFD in the Xitian cult.
lark (24,882 posts)
35. Military will 100% back tsf's orders.
Everyone who wouldn't has already been fired and replaced with reich wing sycophants - WATCH.
moonshinegnomie (3,308 posts)
64. i went out a bought a firearm today
and a lot of ammo
And just like that, the 2nd Amendment worked.
Arazi (7,717 posts)
78. GOP is going to be surprised at how many Dems own firearms
We won't be surprised. We already know. It's called Chicago.
We aren't going to face your guns, we're going to cut off your pysch meds and transition hormones.
Historic NY (38,838 posts)
60. A peoples militia should be constituted
Those are bad until they aren't. Besides, you already have BLM and Antifa.
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Marshall! Marshall! Marshall!
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Almost Midnight here and nothing yet. Yet another Dummy fantasy down the drain.
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Due to lack of interest martial law has been cancelled until further notice. This includes marshall law as well. :-)
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Have you seen this man?:
https://eng.tekkenpedia.com/wiki/Marshall/
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Help! I'm being oppressed under Marshall Law!! Oh wait...
Don't these assholes ever get embarrassed?
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Help! I'm being oppressed under Marshall Law!! Oh wait...
Don't these assholes ever get embarrassed?
Nope
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Help! I'm being oppressed under Marshall Law!! Oh wait...
Don't these assholes ever get embarrassed?
A certain mole hiding in plain sight asked if ML was supposed to be declared, and why it hadn't yet. A reply was made that no, only the report that recommended it was due.
You know, the report that was due. I mean, all despots of the Trump kind (Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, and so forth) had to wait for official reports before killing millions, rolling across Europe, etc, was allowed.
Imagine the mentality of a liberal sitting at home in sheer terror, hoping to God that this report (which, like chocolate bunnies, was due on Easter) did not recommend that LITERALLY HITLER declare martial law.
That is right up there with the DUmp claim that GWB, bloodthirsty dictator, would have mowed people down in the streets with impunity if it was legal.
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Look all you smarty pants people that live in reality, Marshall law is coming in 48 business hours. It's the law. Marshall law!!
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Visited a medical mosquito this AM and then commuted to work. Didn't see any Humvees or Bradleys. I did see that a neighbor had bought a new Tesla very recently (no permanent license plate yet).
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Help! I'm being oppressed under Marshall Law!!
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