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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Texacon on January 09, 2025, 08:43:26 AM
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https://democraticunderground.com/100219887104
Yup, see, not California's fault at all. Nope, just climate change. Yet ... when Texas was hit with some unprecedented extremely cold weather a few years ago and we lost power (mainly because the windmills they were wanting us to use froze!) the DUmmies were ALL OVER Abbott. They walked all over Texas and how stupid we all are.
It sucks to suck. These fires were preventable. They have them every year, just ask Nadin!
hatrack (61,283 posts)
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 08:08 AM
Palisades Has 3 1-Million Gallon Water Towers; After 15 Hours At 4X Demand, They Ran Dry
Ed. - Not a conspiracy, not incompetence, not an evil plot. Water demand at unprecedented levels because of a fire beyond anything the city of Los Angeles has seen before, plus the physics and time of pumping water uphill to fill the water system.
As firefighters battled three wildfires raging across Los Angeles in the early hours of Wednesday morning, the water tanks supplying Pacific Palisades – where the largest of the fires broke out – ran dry. Janisse Quiñones, chief engineer and CEO of the Los Angeles department of water and power, told reporters that by 3am Wednesday, the three 1m-gallon tanks serving the Palisades had been depleted.
“We had a tremendous demand on our system in the Palisades. We pushed the system to the extreme,” Quiñones said during an early Wednesday morning press conference. “Four times the normal demand was seen for 15 hours straight, which lowered our water pressure.”
Although all 114 water tanks serving the city of Los Angeles were completely filled before the fire, water use in the Palisades caused the first of three tanks to run dry at 4.45pm on Tuesday, followed by the second at 8.30pm and the third at 3am Wednesday. As those tanks – located in the high-elevation Palisades – emptied, it became more difficult to refill them from lower-elevation reserves.
Emphasis added.
“Those tanks help with the pressure on the fire hydrants in the hills of Palisades,” Quiñones said. “Because we were pushing so much water in our trunk line, and so much water was being used before it [went] to the tanks, we were not able to fill the tanks fast enough. So the consumption of water was faster than we can provide water in our trunk line.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/08/los-angeles-palisade-fire-water-tanks-empty
pfitz59 (11,037 posts)
1. Physics and mechanics
Laws of nature, not man. MAGA nuts will never get it. They are screaming about 'negligence, incompetence, over regulation'. OK, so tax those mega rich residents and build better water systems. Oops, easier to play the blame game than actually identify and fix the problem.
wcollar (198 posts)
4. Normal Design
I work for a civil engineering firm that specializes in water systems. That is a standard design. It was set up with reserves.that would cover “typical emergencies”. What they faced was not something they could have imagined when the system was designed.
Welcome to a whole new world! With climate change we’re only going to see more of this…
Oh well, figure it out or burn again next year I guess.
KC
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You know what, DUmp'Rat? Most SANE states build dams and store water in reservoirs specifically for the purposes of fighting wildfires.
Too bad your leftist run shithole is riddled with utterly incompetent watermelons in its corrupt little regime of a government... :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :fuelfire: :fuelfire: :fuelfire: :fuelfire: :fuelfire:
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Nobody could've ever predicted this - except for Donald Trump who pointed it out to Newscum back in 2017.
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hatrack (61,283 posts)
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 08:08 AM
Palisades Has 3 1-Million Gallon Water Towers; After 15 Hours At 4X Demand, They Ran Dry
Ed. - Not a conspiracy, not incompetence, not an evil plot. ...
Bzzzzt! Wrong! 3 million gallons of water was clearly insufficient. And while LA County's other fire department water storage had been topped off, LA Country's pumping capacity was insufficient to raise replenishing water the couple thousand feet to Pacific Palisades fast enough. That was definitely incompetence and lack of foresight.
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Nobody could've ever predicted this - except for Donald Trump who pointed it out to Newscum back in 2017.
:cheersmate:
And this passage in the DUmmy diatribe caught my eye:
pfitz59 (11,037 posts)
1. Physics and mechanics
Laws of nature, not man. MAGA nuts will never get it. They are screaming about 'negligence, incompetence, over regulation'. OK, so tax those mega rich residents and build better water systems. Oops, easier to play the blame game than actually identify and fix the problem.
California is by many metrics the highest taxed state, along with NY, NJ, Illinois, and Massachusetts.
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Palisades Has 3 1-Million Gallon Water Towers; After 15 Hours At 4X Demand, They Ran Dry
So the logical conclusion is that they aren’t enough and they need significantly more of them.
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So the logical conclusion is that they aren’t enough and they need significantly more of them.
A 1MM gallon tank isn’t that large. Building tanks is what I do for a living. And I know what it takes to fill them. Most that I build these days are oil, gas, and chemical tanks, but they’re all the same.
KC
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Yes, democrats.
YOU built THAT.
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The fires in Pacific Palisades and Altadena started in Federal lands - a national forest and a national recreation area. Trump needs to clean out the morons in the Department of the Interior as well as in DOJ. Brush rake training time!
(https://climatefeedback.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Postphoto.jpg)
(https://douggoodkindcreativity.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/MAYNARD-G-KREBS-WORK-LIGHT-copy.jpg)
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Yes. California needs to tell the eco morons to sit down, shut up, and hold on! They are literally getting people killed.
It’s time to tell these people to shut up and let the real experts do what they do.
I’m with Trump. Until California straightens out their bullshit they don’t deserve federal dollars.
This wasn’t a tornado. It wasn’t a hurricane. It wasn’t an earthquake. It was fire. Absolutely preventable.
KC
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And then there is this genius move (possibly the result of loose crime prosecutions):
https://www.foxla.com/video/1465546 (ftp://www.foxla.com/video/1465546)
Fire hydrants? Meh, who needs 'em. :thatsright:
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I’m with Trump. Until California straightens out their bullshit they don’t deserve federal dollars.
This wasn’t a tornado. It wasn’t a hurricane. It wasn’t an earthquake. It was fire. Absolutely preventable.
Pacific Palisades and Altadena are adjacent to Federal lands. The failure/refusal to clear brush was by the Federal Department of the Interior (ditto the wildfire several years ago that wiped out the town of Paradise, CA, BTW). California does not lack "bullshit", but these are Federal failures.
Along with the DOJ, Trump needs to clean out the Augean Stables of the Department of the Interior.
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Pacific Palisades and Altadena are adjacent to Federal lands. The failure/refusal to clear brush was by the Federal Department of the Interior (ditto the wildfire several years ago that wiped out the town of Paradise, CA, BTW). California does not lack "bullshit", but these are Federal failures.
Along with the DOJ, Trump needs to clean out the Augean Stables of the Department of the Interior.
Yet other states have the federal land maintained properly and don’t have this problem. Maybe, just maybe the state of California and municipalities has more of this blame than just the feds.
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JUST IN: The Pacific Palisades reservoir was EMPTY AND OFFLINE when the firestorm exploded, per LA Times
This is CRIMINAL.
The reservoir holds 117 million gallons of water, and would’ve given firefighters ample pressure to effectively fight the blaze.
Overpaid Dept. of Water and Power officials have now been forced to admit the reservoir being offline likely contributed to dry fire hydrants and low water pressure.
DEI did this.
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1877774871633264990?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1877774871633264990%7Ctwgr%5Ec8ec54b66b8f2d85f19208b7477baaeabe4af98f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigerdroppings.com%2Frant%2Fpolitics%2Fpacific-palisades-reservoir-was-empty-and-offline-when-the-firestorm-exploded-per-la-times%2F117070035%2F
Uh-Oh! A measly 3 million gallons vs 118 million which was allowed to run dry. Care to comment Hatrack?
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JUST IN: The Pacific Palisades reservoir was EMPTY AND OFFLINE when the firestorm exploded, per LA Times
This is CRIMINAL.
The reservoir holds 117 million gallons of water, and would’ve given firefighters ample pressure to effectively fight the blaze.
Overpaid Dept. of Water and Power officials have now been forced to admit the reservoir being offline likely contributed to dry fire hydrants and low water pressure.
DEI did this.
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1877774871633264990?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1877774871633264990%7Ctwgr%5Ec8ec54b66b8f2d85f19208b7477baaeabe4af98f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigerdroppings.com%2Frant%2Fpolitics%2Fpacific-palisades-reservoir-was-empty-and-offline-when-the-firestorm-exploded-per-la-times%2F117070035%2F
Uh-Oh! A measly 3 million gallons vs 118 million which was allowed to run dry. Care to comment Hatrack?
Beat me to it Rover! once again DUmbass DUchebags are DUmb and proud to DUmbinstrate that fact.
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Just posted an LAT article (no paywall) about that storage reservoir (it isn't on the Santa Ynez River, which is a county or two north of Pacific Palisades). It has a picture showing it empty that is dated September 2022.
:thatsright: :thatsright: IOW, 2 or 3 years ago the County (or City) of Los Angeles took "offline" (= emptied) a water storage reservoir that was ~40X the capacity of the water towers and did not think that might cause a problem. :thatsright: :thatsright:
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Yet other states have the federal land maintained properly and don’t have this problem. Maybe, just maybe the state of California and municipalities has more of this blame than just the feds.
Other states, "don’t have this problem"? Really? Texas A&M Forest Service is lying in this webpage showing that the State of Texas averages on the order of 9,000 or 10,000 wildfires a year, with some years as high as 20,000 or 30,000, https://fire-information-tfsgis.hub.arcgis.com/pages/historical-fire-statistics ? Idaho hasn't had more than 10 wildfires in just the past 3 months, https://inciweb.wildfire.gov/accessible-view ? The State of Florida doesn't have several wildfires a year.
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You know what, DUmp'Rat? Most SANE states build dams and store water in reservoirs specifically for the purposes of fighting wildfires.
Insane states tear down 4 dams, depleting 4 reservoirs. That's what Newscum did.
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hatrack (61,283 posts)
Palisades Has 3 1-Million Gallon Water Towers; After 15 Hours At 4X Demand, They Ran Dry
Ed. - Not a conspiracy, not incompetence, not an evil plot. Water demand at unprecedented levels because of a fire beyond anything the city of Los Angeles has seen before, plus the physics and time of pumping water uphill to fill the water system.
You really are a fkn idiot. 3 million gallons of water? And you don't see that as negligence? How about this, dipshit:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-in-palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline
117 MILLION gallons of water........had it been online and full.
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That storage reservoir was used to provide potable water as well as other purposes. It had a cover to keep stuff out that would make the water unsuitable for drinking, but it was damaged in some way. So, the storage reservoir was drained so as to repair the cover. if the caption for a photo published by the LA Times is correct, it was empty in September 2022, nearly 2 1/2 years ago.
I get that something that large is not repaired or replaced in a few hours or days, but 2 or 3 years (I have not seen a start date for the repair project)? And in those 2 or 3 years no one in LA Fire Department thought, "Oh bleep! That 3 million gallons is way too little for more than a simple 1 or 3 house fire"?!!! And no FD official thought to ask how quickly the water in one of those 1M gallon tanks could be replenished by exiting pumps?
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Other states, "don’t have this problem"? Really? Texas A&M Forest Service is lying in this webpage showing that the State of Texas averages on the order of 9,000 or 10,000 wildfires a year, with some years as high as 20,000 or 30,000, https://fire-information-tfsgis.hub.arcgis.com/pages/historical-fire-statistics ? Idaho hasn't had more than 10 wildfires in just the past 3 months, https://inciweb.wildfire.gov/accessible-view ? The State of Florida doesn't have several wildfires a year.
Never said other states don’t have fires, just saying they don’t have the same problems of the Feds maintaining the forest. All state have forest fires, thanks for pointing that out.
The empty reservoir is criminal and should be prosecuted. Unfortunately all of those accountable for the failures will end up with awards
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Never said other states don’t have fires, just saying they don’t have the same problems of the Feds maintaining the forest. All state have forest fires, thanks for pointing that out.
The empty reservoir is criminal and should be prosecuted. Unfortunately all of those accountable for the failures will end up with awards
Perhaps a Medal of Freedom as a nice parting gift along with a years supply of Rice-a-roni
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I saw that if you look at goolog earth the Santa Ynez reservoir had been shut down and dry since the early 2010s.
Oops, oopsie. Give the donkey DEI government more money and they will fix it they swearsy!
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I just heard that Oregon was sending something like 30 fire trucks to LA to help fight the fires and they were stopped after entering California until all the trucks could get their emissions checked.
Anyone know if this is true?
KC
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I just heard that Oregon was sending something like 30 fire trucks to LA to help fight the fires and they were stopped after entering California until all the trucks could get their emissions checked.
Anyone know if this is true?
KC
Seems they were inspected and repaired to be in top operating condition before deploying. They were not emission or SMOG checked.
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I just heard that Oregon was sending something like 30 fire trucks to LA to help fight the fires and they were stopped after entering California until all the trucks could get their emissions checked.
Anyone know if this is true?
KC
I have seen a report to this effect, that Sacto bureaucrats had to approve their use, though whether it was a smog check or something else I didn't see. Goobernor Noisome didn't have the jurisdiction to force LAFD and LAW&P to have adequate firefighting water in the Palisades, but he most certainly has the authority to light fires under state bureaucrats' overly-substantial @$$es and to send CNG troops to affected areas to hinder (or take out) looters (which he did slowly).
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THIS is the specific problem that other states do not have:
(https://i.postimg.cc/wM7WKHt7/images-2.jpg)
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I just heard it was close to 60 fire trucks. If this is true that’s damn near criminal! I mean seriously, someone is sending help and you’re going to delay it because of emission checks?! I’m guessing the fires have emitted more pollutants than all these trucks combined would produce in a thousand years.
Insane.
Sounds like someone is simply showing they have some power … of some sort.
KC
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I just heard it was close to 60 fire trucks. If this is true that’s damn near criminal! I mean seriously, someone is sending help and you’re going to delay it because of emission checks?! I’m guessing the fires have emitted more pollutants than all these trucks combined would produce in a thousand years.
Insane.
Sounds like someone is simply showing they have some power … of some sort.
KC
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It was not for emissions checks.
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2025/01/oregon-sends-additional-firefighters-to-california-wildfires.html] in a thousand years.
Insane.
Sounds like someone is simply showing they have some power … of some sort.
KC
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It was not for emissions checks.
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2025/01/oregon-sends-additional-firefighters-to-california-wildfires.html
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It was not for emissions checks.
]https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2025/01/oregon-sends-additional-firefighters-to-california-wildfires.html] (https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2025/01/oregon-sends-additional-firefighters-to-california-wildfires.html) in a thousand years.
Insane.
Sounds like someone is simply showing they have some power … of some sort.
KC
It was not for emissions checks.
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2025/01/oregon-sends-additional-firefighters-to-california-wildfires.html (https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2025/01/oregon-sends-additional-firefighters-to-california-wildfires.html)
I can’t see the website. What was it for? Is it true they can’t get in?
KC
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I can’t see the website. What was it for? Is it true they can’t get in?
KC
Safety checks.
By Joanna Wilson
Published: Jan. 11, 2025 at 9:39 PM EST|Updated: 15 hours ago
SALEM Ore. (KPTV) - After Oregon sent 300 firefighters and 75 engines to help fight the Los Angeles fires this week, rumors began circulating that equipment and crews had been stopped for California emissions testing.
According to Oregon and California officials, each truck was given a routine safety check in Sacramento to make sure each engine was equipped, mechanically sound, and able to respond.
The Oregon State Fire Marshal said on Friday that the inspection ensures that the safety of firefighters is the top priority as they fight the massive fires.
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3 - 1 million gallon tanks. That do little more than drinking water.
This is LA's water storage site for use in fighting fires.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gg9H1D3XsAAd_so?format=jpg&name=medium)
This is a 117-million-gallon Santa Ynez Reservoir in Pacific Palisades, a key part of LA's water system, that was EMPTY for "repairs" drained just before the wildfire that destroyed thousands of homes.
Who authorized this? Going into a very dry fire season.
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I can’t see the website. What was it for? Is it true they can’t get in?
KC
It was for a dei check to ensure that enough were gay or transgender. :-) :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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That tiny 117M gallon reservoir was for Pacific Palisades use, not all of LA. There are multiple reservoirs in the LA area, whose capacities are measured in acre-feet, not mere gallons. E.G. Lake Castaic near Magic Mountain theme park, capacity~250,000 acre-feet.
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Safety checks.
This makes more sense. Thanks!
KC
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That tiny 117M gallon reservoir was for Pacific Palisades use, not all of LA. There are multiple reservoirs in the LA area, whose capacities are measured in acre-feet, not mere gallons. E.G. Lake Castaic near Magic Mountain theme park, capacity~250,000 acre-feet.
So the tiny 117M gallons more than they had when the three 1M gallon tanks ran out wouldn’t be helpful since it wasn’t for all of LA? I bet a lot of firemen, home and business owners would have liked having that tiny 117M gallon reservoir in the Pacific Palisades area.
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So the tiny 117M gallons more than they had when the three 1M gallon tanks ran out wouldn’t be helpful since it wasn’t for all of LA? I bet a lot of firemen, home and business owners would have liked having that tiny 117M gallon reservoir in the Pacific Palisades area.
I was pointing out the difference between that tank and actual reservoirs, nothing more. Please don't "answer" what I did not say.
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How many times does California have to burn every year for them to get a damn clue? Maybe this is the last time but i doubt it with all those DUmmies living there.
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How many times does California have to burn every year for them to get a damn clue?
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All of them. All the times. :thatsright:
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Last evening I zoomed in more closely on GoogMaps and saw that Topanga Canyon State Park and Tuna Canyon (state) Park border Pacific Palisades. So it was indeed Goobernor Noisome's California Department of Forestry that failed to clear the brush that fueled the Pacific Palisades fire (despite efforts from LADWP, BTW).
I realize folks have been dumping on Noisome, but I very much dislike false accusations. Also near - and I incorrectly thought, adjoining - Pacific Palisades is a large national recreation area. That would make the US Department of the Interior the ones responsible for brush clearance near Pacific Palisade. That is not the case, BUT, the Eaton Fire (Altadena) and Hurst Fire (Sylmar) started in the Angeles National Forest. So Trump and Noisome both have housecleaning to do: Trump might; Noisome probably won't.
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Having worked as a member of retired National Guard who has helped during natural disasters in uniform and after I retired I find this whole thing in California a disgrace. When I retired from the Guard I became a part of a group of volunteers who would act as a go between for the county and the Guard. When the county resources were either used up or not there they could turn to the National Guard through me or others like me to get help. I have helped with two major floods here in IOWA and both times we had very little in the way of getting anything done that would have required the help of the State itself or from another state. Both times when it flooded the entire western side of Iowa was under water up to the base of the Loess hills which is at least four miles from the river banks normally and those floods lasted all summer.