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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Texacon on January 09, 2025, 06:52:41 AM
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https://democraticunderground.com/100219887005
I knew this was coming. They simply cannot abide someone talking about Newsom like this. Every other state that has some type of disaster is blamed for what has occurred. ESPECIALLY if the government of that state is Republican. Lesser for those who have Democrat governors, but still some of the blame.
In this case, it is absolutely and without doubt the fault of CA leadership. 100% undeniable. But, DU doesn't see where there could be ANY blame put on the state. It is 100% climate change and nothing could be done to stop it.
Cattledog (6,403 posts)
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 07:13 AM
Right or wrong Gavin Newsom will never live down this tragedy.
Sad but true.
BlueTsunami2018 (4,100 posts)
1. How is this his fault?
How can you assign blame to a single person for a natural disaster?
Walleye (36,656 posts)
2. Hundred mile an hour winds, how can it possibly be the governor's fault?
Walleye (36,656 posts)
7. I really don't have a lot of respect for second-guessing. Anybody could've figured out what should've been done
I think all the immediate second-guessing can really hinder emergency operations. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion.
obamanut2012 (27,935 posts)
9. The response has not been too little too late
What the heck atr you saying??? I'm out here, the response has been excellent.
Wtf
EarthFirst (3,224 posts)
8. Right or wrong; anyone assigning blame ought to get one in the kisser... nt
DeepWinter (643 posts)
10. Posts on Facebook and Instagram
are already slamming him and LA's mayor. People love to assign blame, someone always gets stuck with it, right or wrong.
Sanity Claws (22,071 posts)
12. I can't imagine thinking that at this point
I am concerned about the welfare of the people, animals, etc in the way of the fire. I'm not thinking about a human to blame for the this tragedy.
I refuse to jump on this bandwagon seeking someone to blame rightly or wrongly.
Forest management would have gone a long way in helping this situation, if not stopping it altogether. Having water that could be used at the hydrants would have gone a long way in helping this situation. CA has let the eco terrorists run their state forest management for far too long and until they stand up to the eco bullies (who know very little about how things actually work), things like this are going to continue to happen.
Prayers to ALL who are in the path of these fires and hopefully when the last ember is out, you will have a path forward to put a stop to a lot of these fires.
KC
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https://democraticunderground.com/100219887005
I knew this was coming. They simply cannot abide someone talking about Newsom like this. Every other state that has some type of disaster is blamed for what has occurred. ESPECIALLY if the government of that state is Republican. Lesser for those who have Democrat governors, but still some of the blame.
In this case, it is absolutely and without doubt the fault of CA leadership. 100% undeniable. But, DU doesn't see where there could be ANY blame put on the state. It is 100% climate change and nothing could be done to stop it.
Forest management would have gone a long way in helping this situation, if not stopping it altogether. Having water that could be used at the hydrants would have gone a long way in helping this situation. CA has let the eco terrorists run their state forest management for far too long and until they stand up to the eco bullies (who know very little about how things actually work), things like this are going to continue to happen.
Prayers to ALL who are in the path of these fires and hopefully when the last ember is out, you will have a path forward to put a stop to a lot of these fires.
KC
Clearing underbrush would go a looooooooooooooooooong way toward stopping fires like this.
Of course, the eco-commies would scream that there is a RUMOR the 3 legged, purple bellied, yellow mouthed, non-hopping farkle frog could live there, although no one has ever seen one, and therefore we cannot do away with underbrush and therefore their habitat.
So, they pay the price, then complain even though they got what they wanted.
DUmmies never cease to amaze me.
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Question for the eco-assholes and other DUmmies: do you want the rare frogs (in this example) to adapt, or do you want them to roast all at once?
Likewise: you want to clear your tinder yourself, or have nature clear it for you, along with all your houses, which contain your Emmys and your kiddie porn?
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That thread is full of laughable delusion. They won't leave the bubble so they don't know what all of the social medias are looking like. All of the dem leadership is being eviscerated.
Then we have this:
hunter (39,107 posts)
33. Considering the tragedies yet to come, this will soon be forgotten.
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Los Angeles fire budget cut, hundreds of hydrants stolen for scrap before fires
(The Center Square) – Hundreds of fire hydrants were stolen from the ground for scrap metal in advance of the blazes raging across Los Angeles, highlighting the local government’s challenges in maintaining basic order and infrastructure.
“These fire hydrant thefts are yet another sign of how crime is out of control in Los Angeles County,” said Los Angeles District Attorney Nathan Hochman to The Center Square before his November election. “Thieves know they’ll face little or no consequences if they are caught, so they’re willing to risk the public’s safety for a small profit.”
Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass, who has been away on a taxpayer-funded trip to Africa as a member of a Biden administration delegation, recently cut the fire department’s budget by $17.6 million.
LINK
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Walleye (36,656 posts)
7. I really don't have a lot of respect for second-guessing. Anybody could've figured out what should've been done
I think all the immediate second-guessing can really hinder emergency operations. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I bet this dummy was onboard the 'blame Trump' bandwagon, and did plenty of second guessing all things Trump, particularly during covid.
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The Los Angeles Fire Department is using handbags to collect water to throw on the fires.
https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1877364457111769196?mx=2
Quite the metaphor of the democrat policies that led to this disaster.
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Reality is that Noisome had little to do with the Pacific Palisades fire becoming what it is. He's from SF, so he was not mayor anywhere near The Land of LA, and Federal Enviro-Regs hinder practical measures such as brush clearing. What Noisome could do is deploy state resources and help move/coordinate resources from other counties. Whether Noisome did any of that I have not heard.
I'm not sympathetic to Noisome in the least, just pointing out reality. And the degree to which Noisome is damaged by this, I really don't care, though I doubt he has much credibility in most US states.
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Reality is that Noisome had little to do with the Pacific Palisades fire becoming what it is. He's from SF, so he was not mayor anywhere near The Land of LA, and Federal Enviro-Regs hinder practical measures such as brush clearing. What Noisome could do is deploy state resources and help move/coordinate resources from other counties. Whether Noisome did any of that I have not heard.
I'm not sympathetic to Noisome in the least, just pointing out reality. And the degree to which Noisome is damaged by this, I really don't care, though I doubt he has much credibility in most US states.
What federal regs prevent removing brush? I live between 2 National forests and they do proscribed burns every year. Doesn’t seem to hinder Texas from removing brush.
KC
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What federal regs prevent removing brush? I live between 2 National forests and they do proscribed burns every year. Doesn’t seem to hinder Texas from removing brush.
KC
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. I live right next to a national forest and they have many controlled burns (they haven’t had one they couldn’t get out of control) a year. Weyerhaeuser, International Paper and Georgia Pacific also have enormous tree farms around me that they fifth row, clear and do select cutting year round, which includes removing brush
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What federal regs prevent removing brush? I live between 2 National forests and they do proscribed burns every year. Doesn’t seem to hinder Texas from removing brush.
KC
The Endangered Species Act. Do I really need to explain how? Some Enviro "finds" an "endangered" species and between a cooperative EPA and courts, brush not cleared. Here are a couple of documents from SoCal cities that illustrate how the ESA affects what is or is not allowed:
https://moreno-valley.ca.us/departments/fire/pdf/MV-AbatementStandards.pdf
https://www.cityoffullerton.com/government/departments/fire/prevention/weed-abatement/brush-clearance-standard
Further, US Forest Service Decision to Halt Prescribed Burns in California is History Repeating
https://cepr.net/us-forest-service-decision-to-halt-prescribed-burns-in-california-is-history-repeating/ (https://cepr.net/us-forest-service-decision-to-halt-prescribed-burns-in-california-is-history-repeating/)
Last week, the US Forest Service announced it would stop prescribed burning in California “for the foreseeable future,” stating that the decision was made as a precautionary measure to ensure the availability of staff and equipment in case of potential wildfires. But temps are falling across California, and state, tribal authorities, and prescribed burn associations have commenced with their prescribed burns. If the federal agency doesn’t hold up its end of the work, all that mitigation work can be undone.
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In 2021, the Caldor Fire started in the El Dorado National Forest, and the Forest Service knew this region was at risk. The agency had created a model two decades before the fire predicting the danger and proposed the Trestle Project in 2013 to manage federal land near the town of Grizzly Flats. The project was expected to be completed by 2020. However, an investigation by CapRadio and the California Newsroom discovered only 2,137 acres of the planned 15,000, or 14 percent of the project, had been completed before August 14, 2021. That was the day the Caldor Fire started, and 48 hours later, the fire had leveled Grizzly Flats.
According to NPR, the Trestle Project faced “staffing shortages, pushback from environmental groups, too many days when prescribed burns would be dangerous due to hotter, drier conditions caused by climate change,” and, most importantly, a lack of funding. Unfortunately, the Trestle Project’s setbacks left Grizzly Flats and other El Dorado County communities vulnerable to the scenario the Forest Service had modeled. Tellingly, as the fire moved east toward Lake Tahoe, the community of Kirkwood was spared thanks to an escaped prescribed burn in 2019.
This scenario shows what happens when Congress is less committed than California to tackling forest management. With wildfire management funding constantly tied up in unpredictable budget debates, the current state-federal partnership is fragile and based on the whims of the legislative and executive branches, which can withhold funding based on which political party is currently in power. The Forest Service’s latest decision is the consequence of these issues.
The Pacific Palisades fire started and spread in the Santa Monica Mountains National Recreation Area.
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At the end of this Power Line blogpost is a chart showing the effect of the National Environmental Policy Act on "fuel" (brush, etc.) abatement, https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/01/the-daily-chart-a-saga-of-fire-and-water.php . The delays from initiation of a project to start of treatment is measured in years.
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BlueTsunami2018 (4,100 posts)
1. How is this his fault?
How can you assign blame to a single person for a natural disaster?
If you idiots can blame Bush for Katrina, then we can blame Newsome and Bass for these fires.
Walleye (36,656 posts)
2. Hundred mile an hour winds, how can it possibly be the governor's fault?
Hundred mile an hour winds, how can it possibly be Bush's fault?
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If you idiots can blame Bush for Katrina, then we can blame Newsome and Bass for these fires.
That's (D)ifferent.
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BlueTsunami2018 (4,100 posts)
1. How is this his fault?
How can you assign blame to a single person for a natural disaster?
Now apply that reasoning to Trump and the SARS-CoV-2 virus spreading from China into the US.
I know, that's diffe(R)ent.
:-)
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Right or wrong Gavin Newsom will never live down this tragedy.
And he shouldn’t, he’s the governor of the whole state so it’s all his responsibility. Like the captain of a ship he’s responsible for the entire ship and crew no exceptions.
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If you idiots can blame Bush for Katrina, then we can blame Newsome and Bass for these fires.
Hundred mile an hour winds, how can it possibly be Bush's fault?
Hurricanes are always going to happen. The flooding? That problem lay solely with the democrat leadership of NO. They received funding to upgrade it and squandered it. Sad thing about it is, they vote Democrat TO THIS VERY DAY, so ****'em. Can't keep worrying about people who refuse to learn lessons and change. In California:
Newsome tore down 4 dams (https://apnews.com/article/california-governor-newsom-salmon-dam-removal-18296fb0f8438faa77269cfe015b7fb7)
Biden's Forestry department stopped prescribed burns (https://cepr.net/publications/us-forest-service-decision-to-halt-prescribed-burns-in-california-is-history-repeating/)
This is where a GOOD governor would have raised T-total hell and got this reversed. Newscum's stupid ass is only concerned with collecting a paycheck though.
That idiot lady LA hired azt 750K to manage the water system let a Pacific Palisades reservoir run dry and it was offline (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-in-palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline)
There were countless DEI hires that were COMPLETELY unqualified. This is ALL on Dems.