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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CC27 on December 30, 2024, 08:17:37 AM
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malaise (278,900 posts)
This is the response I received from a family member
When I told him Jimmy Carter died. He is a Jesuit high school graduate, and an avowed atheist who detests American foreign policy.
“Compared with the rest he was a living Saint. By far the greatest President in our lifetime and quite possibly the best ever”.
Food for thought. Damn Jimmy was a good man.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219860408
Delusion is strong. Do you remember 1980???
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How appropriate that this line of bullshit comes from the alcohol-soaked mouth of malaise.
The Irony Fairy couldn't have bettered this with a year in advance to try. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Delusion is strong. Do you remember 1980???
I'm with some of the others here on this topic. Jimmay was the second-worst President in my lifetime (maybe till the worst I dunno), but I consider him to be a good human.
And it should be said, being a good person does not equate to being a good President. As much as I hate to say it, I'd say it's the exact opposite. I don't think you can be an effective President if you aren't at least half asshole. There are too many examples. Just look at Mike Pence. Believe it or not, he's a great guy. Very down to earth and has the best intentions. But he's a terrible leader. He doesn't have the backbone and authoritative presence required to get people to bend. It's a simple fact, if people aren't at least a little bit scared of consequences, they simply aren't motivated enough to negotiate with you in good faith.
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President Carter was ineffective domestically and a foreign policy disaster, giving Iran and the world the Mullahcracy.
Post-Presidency, Carter was decent, wrt Habitat for Humanity. IMO, Carter's defense of Arab-Pali terrorism and condemnations of Israel's very careful self-defense was antisemitic.
IMO, Carter was a very poor President, though I think Clinton, Obama, and Obama were worse. As a human being I think Carter's antisemitism outweighs his work with Habitat.
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I have to give her one thing: this post was good for calibrating the mechanism I use to measure indifference. I thought she caused it to pin at zero, but it turns out I give even less of a shit when she mentions a heretofore unmentioned relative and his alleged opinion.
Also, as an amateur forensics enthusiast, I find it interesting how she needs to qualify his opinion with his life story. Instead of "my brother says he's the greatest ever," we got, "my brother, who is an atheist and went to a jesuit school, liked Carter." Usually when glorifying the opinion of a third party, one points to verifiable or generally accepted bona fides. Example: "my brother is a special ops soldier with several tours under his belt, and he swears by Sig Sauer sidearms," or "my sister is a sous chef in a two-starred restaurant, and she is impressed by All-Clad cookware." The qualifications she provided are comically irrelevant. Almost like she was drunk when she wrote that.
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I'm with some of the others here on this topic. Jimmay was the second-worst President in my lifetime (maybe till the worst I dunno), but I consider him to be a good human.
And it should be said, being a good person does not equate to being a good President. As much as I hate to say it, I'd say it's the exact opposite. I don't think you can be an effective President if you aren't at least half asshole. There are too many examples. Just look at Mike Pence. Believe it or not, he's a great guy. Very down to earth and has the best intentions. But he's a terrible leader. He doesn't have the backbone and authoritative presence required to get people to bend. It's a simple fact, if people aren't at least a little bit scared of consequences, they simply aren't motivated enough to negotiate with you in good faith.
I'm going to make a counter comparison in relation to sports. While Jimmy Carter was a good person, he was a horrible President. No amount of revisionist history will change how miserable his Presidency was (although the legacy media will continue to effort that). On the contrary, Ty Cobb, Tiger Woods, Ted Williams, and O.J. Simpson are examples of incredible athletes but absolutely rotten human beings.
When Joseph Robinette Biden Junior passes, I'm really going to have to search for something kind to say since unlike leftists, I don't urinate on one's grave when they pass.
I guess he was a talented grifter, and both of his wives were rather attractive on the exterior. But Biden is not a smart man, a good man, nor an honorable man. I supposed Beau was OK before he tragically died of cancer, but we'll never know if he might have turned out into a good person.
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I'm going to make a counter comparison in relation to sports. While Jimmy Carter was a good person, he was a horrible President. No amount of revisionist history will change how miserable his Presidency was (although the legacy media will continue to effort that). On the contrary, Ty Cobb, Tiger Woods, Ted Williams, and O.J. Simpson are examples of incredible athletes but absolutely rotten human beings.
When Joseph Robinette Biden Junior passes, I'm really going to have to search for something kind to say since unlike leftists, I don't urinate on one's grave when they pass.
I guess he was a talented grifter, and both of his wives were rather attractive on the exterior. But Biden is not a smart man, a good man, nor an honorable man. I supposed Beau was OK before he tragically died of cancer, but we'll never know if he might have turned out into a good person.
I think Carter was a decent person, for sure, but I am mostly disgusted by the way the left now canonizes their dead icons as beyond reproach. Short list: Carter, RBG, Wellstone, John ****ing Lennon, Guevara, Castro, Woody Guthrie, that asshole Bill Hicks, and so on.
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I’ve told this story before, but I’ll try to briefly mention it again. I try not to discuss politics with clients because, whether they vote blue or red, their money is green, but if they bring something up, I’ll usually participate in the discussion to a degree. Several years back, I had a client mention Jimmy Carter and that he was the greatest president that we’d ever had. I thought he was telling a joke so I stopped to hear the punch line, but there wasn’t one. This guy was being serious which was probably funnier than a joke would have been.
With that said, I don’t celebrate Carter’s passing, and my heart goes out to his family and friends. I also feel for him for being separated from his wife for so long, and I hope they have a wonderfully happy reunion.
If I'm being honest, I do, to a degree, wonder about the comments that he was a good man even though he was a lousy president. Now don’t get me wrong. I’m open to the possibility that I’m in error. It could very well be true that he was in fact a saint of a person who was just a terrible president; however, when I think back to all of the bad things that the democrat party has done through the years, I wonder why he didn't do more to try to pull the party back from the dark side. Granted, he could have been working very hard at that very thing from behind the scenes without success. Or maybe he did have some success and without him the party would be even more evil. Regardless, I hope he now rests in peace in the promised land.
I will, however, give Carter credit for one thing. His presidency did more to convert the south to the GOP than almost any other thing or person.
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I’ve told this story before, but I’ll try to briefly mention it again. I try not to discuss politics with clients because, whether they vote blue or red, their money is green, but if they bring something up, I’ll usually participate in the discussion to a degree. Several years back, I had a client mention Jimmy Carter and that he was the greatest president that we’d ever had. I thought he was telling a joke so I stopped to hear the punch line, but there wasn’t one. This guy was being serious which was probably funnier than a joke would have been.
With that said, I don’t celebrate Carter’s passing, and my heart goes out to his family and friends. I also feel for him for being separated from his wife for so long, and I hope they have a wonderfully happy reunion.
If I'm being honest, I do, to a degree, wonder about the comments that he was a good man even though he was a lousy president. Now don’t get me wrong. I’m open to the possibility that I’m in error. It could very well be true that he was in fact a saint of a person who was just a terrible president; however, when I think back to all of the bad things that the democrat party has done through the years, I wonder why he didn't do more to try to pull the party back from the dark side. Granted, he could have been working very hard at that very thing from behind the scenes without success. Or maybe he did have some success and without him the party would be even more evil. Regardless, I hope he now rests in peace in the promised land.
I will, however, give Carter credit for one thing. His presidency did more to convert the south to the GOP than almost any other thing or person.
He was probably out of his nut by the time the Dems went completely batshit, and in any case I suspect he was warned by the Clinton Death Squad to stand down over 30 years ago.
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Aside from being an awful president he was a fan/supporter of Hugo Chavez.
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Count on Biden botching up the eulogy while checking his watch again for the third time.
Its also likely he will be shaking hands with the ghost of Jimmy Carter then wandering off looking for a nice comfy spot to take a nap before the next vacation.
Quotes to be on the lookout for include, Where are you Jimmy ? Stand up and take a bow. Dear lord don't jump! :popcorn:
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Carter was NOT a good person. Carter was an evil Jew hater, anti American piece of shit. He almost killed the USA and did kill Venezuela. I hope Satan runs a non stop train on him for all of eternity.... sand lube.
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If I'm being honest, I do, to a degree, wonder about the comments that he was a good man even though he was a lousy president. Now don’t get me wrong. I’m open to the possibility that I’m in error. It could very well be true that he was in fact a saint of a person who was just a terrible president; however, when I think back to all of the bad things that the democrat party has done through the years, I wonder why he didn't do more to try to pull the party back from the dark side. Granted, he could have been working very hard at that very thing from behind the scenes without success. Or maybe he did have some success and without him the party would be even more evil. Regardless, I hope he now rests in peace in the promised land.
I will, however, give Carter credit for one thing. His presidency did more to convert the south to the GOP than almost any other thing or person.
I will admit, what I know about Carter is 98% from reading. I only remember the hostage thing and the blunders that ensued because it ruined some of my cartoons with headline interruptions. I also remember it almost costing us the farm because the interest rates were so damned high, mom and dad had to borrow minimal for a few seasons and they barely kept things going... not to mention how many people were out of work because the economy was in such sore condition. That stuff was real for me, even though I was a kid. There is also the time factor and the aging old man facet. I tend to let the bad fade away over the years, and there's always the empathy factor playing against me. I think it's natural for some of us to only want to remember the good things about people. I suppose I go by the real life examples for my counter weights. For example, my dad... tough as nails and could be meaner than a snake if someone did him or the family wrong, but age has mellowed him and shaped his views dramatically. So I reckon those factors play on my opinions a bit as well. Hell, underneath, I actually even feel empathy for that criminal sonofabitch Joe Biden, a man who's never thought of anyone but himself.
So you could be right. And I do forget about his outright hatred of Israel... but he's dead now so I still feel compelled to tip my hat to him for the good deeds at least. Call it a weakness I guess
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Aside from being an awful president he was a fan/supporter of Hugo Chavez.
And of fidel castro and his regime.
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Aside from being an awful president he was a fan/supporter of Hugo Chavez.
And of fidel castro and his regime.
And is directly responsible for Iran becoming an islamofascist "republic", and the thorn in our sides that they've been for nearly 50 years now. The mullahs couldn't have run roughshod over #SpongeBrainShitPants junior varsity team without the abject antisemitism on display from Jimmuh and #MikeRobinsonsLilBitch.
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Carter was NOT a good person. Carter was an evil Jew hater, anti American piece of shit. He almost killed the USA and did kill Venezuela. I hope Satan runs a non stop train on him for all of eternity.... sand lube.
Jukin, my humble apologies as there are a LOT of despicable things that Carter was responsible for. And I sort of knew them but had receded in the important part of my brain.
Here's a decent summation:
Scott Jennings Drops Truth Bomb About the Real Jimmy Carter
CNN’s Scott Jennings minced exactly no words when discussing former President Jimmy Carter, who recently passed away at the age of 100.
During a panel discussion on the president, Jennings criticized Carter’s approach to foreign policy – especially after his stint in the White House. “He was a terrible president,” Jennings said. “That’s why he lost in a landslide after his one term.”
Jennings continued, saying that Carter was an “even worse ex-president because of his meddling in US foreign policy, because of his saddling up to dictators around the world, because off he vehement…anti-Israel views, and more than dabbling in anti-Semitism over the years.”
The commentator further stated that Carter “believed that he was uniquely positioned” to intervene in foreign policy even after leaving the White House.
One of the other guests acknowledged that Carter “was meddlesome to his successors” and “forgot sometimes that he still wasn’t president.”
However, he insisted that this “shouldn’t mar the record of global humanitarian good that he did.”
Jennings stuck to his guns, using the Persian Gulf War as an example of Carter’s meddlesome tendencies. “He wrote letters to all of our allies and to Arab states, asking them to abandon their cooperation and coalition with the United States of America.”
He added: “If it’s not treasonous, it’s borderline treasonous”
Jennings concluded his remarks by noting that Carter’s conduct “showed that he cared more about his own legacy than he did about the country, and I think that is wrong.”
Jennings is right. While the copy of Carter’s letter has not been publicized, reports suggest that the president did urge U.S. allies not to vote in favor of a resolution against Iraq if it continued threatening Kuwait.
He undid much good will with Jews in the United States, however, with his 2006 book, Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid. It compared Israel's treatment of Arabs in the West Bank to South Africa's system of racial segregation, which was brought down in 1994. While promoting the book, Carter said U.S. Mideast policy is influenced too much by lobbying by American Jewish groups, leading some to accuse him of anti-Semitism.
Controversy erupted anew in June, when Carter labeled Israel's 2-year-old blockade of Gaza an "atrocity" and said people there were being treated like animals.
Carter also received criticism for his role in Venezuela’s 2004 recall election, which saw authoritarian socialist leader Hugo Chavez retain power. The former president was invited to observe the process of recalling Chavez. The outcome saw Chavez receiving about 59 percent of the vote, with the Carter Center endorsing the results despite claims of voter fraud.
Yes, Carter did fight in favor of human rights. But this does not mean he does not have skeletons in his closet, a fact that folks on the left would rather not discuss. Despite his ineptitude as president and his meddling after leaving office, he has largely escaped criticism. But now, it appears more information is coming out that went largely ignored in the past.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/jeff-charles/2024/12/31/scott-jennings-rips-jimmy-carter-n2649819