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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CC27 on October 07, 2024, 07:27:12 AM
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flying_wahini (7,853 posts)
I'm gonna woman'splain something to men here about abortion as health care. Just so you know.
Most women know this stuff but so many men don’t that I’m going to use my nursing background to tell you. I also have had personal experience with a D&C after losing a twin pregnancy at 20 weeks.
Pregnancy 101 starts here.
Apologies in advance if this is too rudimentary for you.
A D&C is a surgical procedure to remove abnormal tissues from the uterine lining. Dilation and curettage (D&C) is a surgical procedure in which the cervix is opened (dilated) and a thin instrument is inserted into the uterus. This instrument is used to remove tissue from the inside of the uterus (curettage).
Statistically, It is safer than having a tooth pulled.
When a woman miscarries several things can go bad. During the first 3 months (first trimester =12 weeks)
a woman’s hormones may dip or fluctuate so much that the pregnancy is unsustainable. Sometimes the fetus is malformed or incomplete and isn’t going to keep growing normally. Maybe a trauma happens;
at any rate the fetus isn’t going to make it. Sometimes women choose to get an abortion for whatever reasons they have. Plan B pills are designed to open and empty the uterus by stimulating a period within a few days of conception. Most of the time these drugs work well and women don’t need to see a Dr at all.
Most women in the first trimester just have a hard period and the uterus is emptied. Miscarriage is fairly common and most women have no complications. BUT sometimes there may be something left behind.
Now the uterus, by design is very vascular, after all we produce the bloody lining for an egg every month.
If something isn’t passed out it can keep bleeding or just stay behind. The body has hormones telling it hey, you’re pregnant and don’t let go. So that is considered an Incomplete abortion or miscarriage.
Point: The uterus is NOT empty and in some cases the hormones didn’t get the message.
Most people don’t know that during the first trimester a women’s blood volume is TRIPLED, so when we mean bleeding we are talking about a LOT of blood. The fetus is not yet an ounce in size at twelve weeks.
Most women have missed a period at 6 weeks. By the way abortion nationwide used to be available until 16 weeks. This was kind of the golden week when the heartbeat first starts up. At 20 weeks a fluttering is felt by the mother.
Around the transition into the second trimester things get tricky. Fetus/placenta is growing larger and with all that blood severe complications happen, and can happen quickly. When things go bad to worse, there are the most common problems.
Whatever is going on these problems mean the pregnancy is over, the fetus is dead or dying.
The point is NOTHING will sustain life.
Problems like:
The amniotic fluid is escaped, thru a tear or spontaneous rupture.
The placenta detached and no blood or nutrients can get to fetus.
The fetus just doesn’t develop as it should. Trauma can be a factor;
a fall or car wreck, the flu, or just a miscarriage happening late.
The problem at this point is if the fetus is dead and the contents are not expelled it festers.
The further along in the pregnancy the worse the complications.
Now Mom needs real HELP. Second trimester from 12- 20 weeks problems are much more serious.
She will need Mifepristone or a like drug to stimulate contractions to expel the remainder
and sometimes followed with a D&C to suction out anything left behind.
This is the SAME drug that is used in labor/delivery to stimulate labor or post partum bleeding.
Also some women will also need a D&C in a timely manner.
These drugs and procedures will save almost anybody. They are fairly simple to perform and effective.
Unless you wait.
A high fatality rate is associated with bleedouts. I am talking a LOT of blood, too. (Remember that blood volume is tripled by now).
NOW Mom needs a transfusion and possibly (in severe bleeds)
surgery to remove the uterus before they bleed to death. QUICKLY too. This is the way we used to do it.
Now with our draconian laws, the Dr thinks she will spontaneously abort on her own and he just has to wait for this. Fever, pain and advancing systemic infection is setting in.
Now, If the contents are still there, the patient may have waited weeks, sometime months the woman is going into sepsis. A systemic infection that goes into every organ . Kidneys shut down, patient can go into shock or a coma. Death is imminent. Surgery and heavy medical support is your only hope.
They will take the whole uterus is it gets this far.
NOW imagine bleeding out in a parking lot with your husband, because the Dr is worried about losing his or her license. Or losing consciousness and waking up without a uterus because YOU waited too long.
Or explaining to her family why she died.
I will add that I saw a statistic that most of the women that have abortions are married with 3 children at home.
Sorry if this went on too long, but I keep seeing erroneous posts about abortion (not here usually)
and had to clear this up.
Thanks for listening to my woman’splaining rant.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219539765
That is some word salad.
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I would rather spend the night in a holiday inn express than read the whole thing. :thatsright:
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I didn't need to go any further than here:
flying_wahini (7,853 posts)
I'm gonna woman'splain something to men here about abortion as health care. Just so you know.
Most women know this stuff but so many men don’t that I’m going to use my nursing background to tell you. I also have had personal experience with a D&C after losing a twin pregnancy at 20 weeks...
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Essentially s/h/it is making the tired old false equivalency of a post-miscarriage D&C to an elective abortion infanticide. Many a DUmp'Rat has attempted to "defend" that hill before, and there will be many more that come after. It is still a false equivalency.
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I would rather spend the night in a holiday inn express than read the whole thing. :thatsright:
I'd rather be sentenced to an eternity in Hotel California...
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1. Pro-Abortion DU-folk need a word-salad info-dump to convince them that abortion is good?
2. If the natural gestation and birthing processes are so dangerous, why are there so many humans on the Earth?
3. Does any DU-member really believe that D & C and other abortion methods are safer than the natural gestation and birthing processes?
4. Does any DU-member really believe that being aborted is better for a baby conceived by, e.g., rape or incest than being given up for adoption?
5. Let me Fact'splain for DU onlurkers what they are so eager to kill:
The baby has a fully human set of chromosomes that are unique, not the mother's. The baby is alive and at the beginning of a continuum of development that only ends with death. An unborn baby is as dependent for feeding and care as is a 1-year-old baby.
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And just like that men can no longer have babies.
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That is some word salad.
I fully concede that the female human body can fail in its adjustment to a fertilized egg, and that medical issues may arise that require surgical attention. Moreover, these may imply or require the death of the fetus that had been growing. The world is an imperfect place, a situation magnified by the imperfections of a human body.
That is not what we are talking about when we abhor abortion, you stupid asshole liberals, and it is certainly not what YOU are talking about.
Speaking for myself, the use of abortion as birth control, the callous and narcissistic destruction of a viable human life so you can resume your lives composed chiefly of meaningless, soulless, random copulation, is what is objectionable. And THAT is what I'm talking about. I, for one, cannot imagine why people view abortion as an acceptable plan, or even a backup plan, for birth control.
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I fully concede that the female human body can fail in its adjustment to a fertilized egg, and that medical issues may arise that require surgical attention. Moreover, these may imply or require the death of the fetus that had been growing. The world is an imperfect place, a situation magnified by the imperfections of a human body.
That is not what we are talking about when we abhor abortion, you stupid asshole liberals, and it is certainly not what YOU are talking about.
Speaking for myself, the use of abortion as birth control, the callous and narcissistic destruction of a viable human life so you can resume your lives composed chiefly of meaningless, soulless, random copulation, is what is objectionable. And THAT is what I'm talking about. I, for one, cannot imagine why people view abortion as an acceptable plan, or even a backup plan, for birth control.
1. :hi5:
2. The laws that DU-folk hate and lie about make a very clear, very specific, exception for when the life of the mother is in danger, e.g. an ectopic pregnancy or when the baby has died.
3. Data is not easy to find, but the % of abortions to preserve the life of the mother or due to rape or incest is very small, less than 10%. The vast majority are last-ditch birth control or are because a baby would be inconvenient (= consequence-free promiscuity).
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I will add that I saw a statistic that most of the women that have abortions are married with 3 children at home.
What DNC proctologist found that statistic?
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1. :hi5:
2. The laws that DU-folk hate and lie about make a very clear, very specific, exception for when the life of the mother is in danger, e.g. an ectopic pregnancy or when the baby has died.
3. Data is not easy to find, but the % of abortions to preserve the life of the mother or due to rape or incest is very small, less than 10%. The vast majority are last-ditch birth control or are because a baby would be inconvenient (= consequence-free promiscuity).
People who tout abortion rights for the health of the mother are like the hippie assholes who demanded weed legalization because of all the uses of hemp fibers.
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People who tout abortion rights for the health of the mother are like the hippie assholes who demanded weed legalization because of all the uses of hemp fibers.
Nice and appropriate analogy.
Every time I read these weepy lib-tards piss and moan about this "sacred right to kill an unborn baby" are laughably silly and occasionally make me quite angry. It isn't a fun topic to discuss without emotions and morality, which is where the left and right always lose the issue. Could type pages, but that's below my paygrade.
Instead I'll sum it up by saying this:
Maybe next time you should keep your unshaven thighs closed next time rather than complain about the agony of killing a child for an unmemorable 5 minutes in the back seat of your Prius.
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Priuses have enough room to ...?
Random off-topic - Last week I saw a Prius pulled an unsafe move in commute traffic and my first thought was, "Who do you think you are? A Tesla?" :rotf:
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Priuses have enough room to ...?
How am I supposed to know? Naturally it was meant in jest while partially based in reality.
I'd take a bench seat in a Chevy Caprice Classis or a Ford Taurus anytime. More room to navigate.
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...3. Data is not easy to find, but the % of abortions to preserve the life of the mother or due to rape or incest is very small, less than 10%. The vast majority are last-ditch birth control or are because a baby would be inconvenient (= consequence-free promiscuity).
This is a few years old, but I can't see the statistic changing that drastically...
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This is a few years old, but I can't see the statistic changing that drastically...
So 98.5% of abortions are because "I wanna ****, and I don't care."
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So 98.5% of abortions are because "I wanna ****, and I don't care."
Pretty much. That's the reason PP, NOW, and other Pro-Abortion groups and advocate avoid mentioning the real-life numbers.
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Reply to the womansplaining - study this blueprint and make yourself useful:
(https://i.postimg.cc/k5H41LBL/gettyimages-165500857-612x612.jpg)
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Sure. Get me a beer first and I like sammich and some chips.
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I fully concede that the female human body can fail in its adjustment to a fertilized egg, and that medical issues may arise that require surgical attention. Moreover, these may imply or require the death of the fetus that had been growing. The world is an imperfect place, a situation magnified by the imperfections of a human body.
That is not what we are talking about when we abhor abortion, you stupid asshole liberals, and it is certainly not what YOU are talking about.
Speaking for myself, the use of abortion as birth control, the callous and narcissistic destruction of a viable human life so you can resume your lives composed chiefly of meaningless, soulless, random copulation, is what is objectionable. And THAT is what I'm talking about. I, for one, cannot imagine why people view abortion as an acceptable plan, or even a backup plan, for birth control.
And that is why I object to it as well. Using it as a form of birth control just because you are not willing to deal with the consequences of a one-night stand is on them.
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Pregnancy interferes with the night life.