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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on March 29, 2023, 03:52:22 PM
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GenXer47 (699 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217769518
let's draft all gun owners into the National Guard
Wanna play with guns? Great, we've got a job for you.
Your weapons will be stored at the armory and you'll report for training and service as required.
No age limit. Elderly can pilot drones as well as anyone.
Any infractions will be dealt with in a court of military justice, not the soft civilian justice system we have for civilian gun owners.
I know it sound a bit ridiculous, but ridiculous is where we live!
Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is used to describe two classes within the United States:[8]
Organized militia – consisting of State Defense Forces, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[9][10]
Unorganized militia – comprising the reserve militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the State Defense Forces, National Guard, or Naval Militia.[11]
Since 1933, Congress has organized the National Guard under its power to "raise and support armies" and not its power to "Provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the Militia".[12] Congress chose to do this in the interests of organizing reserve military units which were not limited in deployment by the strictures of its power over the constitutional militia, which can be called forth only "to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_States)
Already most of those are in the unorganized militia by US law, dumbass... But sure- lets get them on the state payroll.
Star Member Irish_Dem (35,819 posts)
3. 40% of adult Americans own guns.
We would have a very large national guard.
GenXer47 (699 posts)
6. they can opt out - by handing over their guns
That's not how shit works in the US, bucko.
Star Member Ocelot II (107,055 posts)
9. I don't have time to explain how unconstitutional that whole idea is,
but it's unconstitutional, as well as ridiculous.
Star Member FalloutShelter (10,150 posts)
2. Absolutely...
Well regulated militia.
I’d go further. When you register your gun
(Mandated by law) You register for military draft.
Lottery system. Recruiting is at the lowest point in decades… we can fix that.
:mental:
Star Member MarineCombatEngineer (9,280 posts)
4. So you would draft this 75 yo into the NG?
Just because I legally own 1, count it,1 handgun?
Well, you're right about one thing in your thread, it is ridiculous.
I paid my dues, no thanks.
MichMan (9,051 posts)
5. National Guard members are all paid for their service
Where will the money to pay them all come from?
Star Member Ocelot II (107,055 posts)
10. The sale of their confiscated guns, of course,
since the guns most people own are not suitable as weapons for the National Guard.
Star Member EarthFirst (2,614 posts)
11. The sale of the firearms to whom? nt
:rotf:
dembotoz (15,811 posts)
21. so give them the training so they actually think they could win in a civil war?
no
I would bet most of the gun owners in the US have some sort of training...
sanatanadharma (2,687 posts)
22. If "nothing can be done!", then ...
... America is done.
Pass laws, demand gun safes, insurance, use zoning, pass anti-gun laws over and over and ignore the Supreme Court. Force the issue upon America. Define arms by law to be those known in 1789. Highlight the preamble of the Constitution. The Constitution is invalid if it fails the words of the preamble.
Force Americans to choose between centuries of fatal tradition or an actual functioning society that treats the idea of kids bleeding out in schools as a sign of mental, moral, social dis-eases. Keep the courts busy with new laws, appeals, public discussion, pressure on judges and everyone else to justify the status quo as good, acceptable, necessary, unchangeable.
Make it clear who is for humanity and who is bestial and favors child sacrifices.
There are those on the right pushing for a constitutional convention. They do not believe that nothing can be done about the Constitution.
Demand justice not 'just us' for for the overarmed few. There is NO well regulated militia if the USA does not have call-up contact information about bearers of arms or the arms and ammunition available.
Stop coddling the gun-lovers and killers.
You should start at Lexington and Concord...
(https://www.nam.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2017-08/132325_slice.jpg)
EX500rider (8,810 posts)
46. Of course all able-bodied men between ages 17 and 45 are all ready in the Reserve Militia
If they know it or not.
Militia Act of 1903
The 1903 act repealed the Militia Acts of 1795 and designated the militia (per Title 10 of the U.S. Code, Section 311) as two classes: the Reserve Militia, which included all able-bodied men between ages 17 and 45, and the Organized Militia, comprising state militia (National Guard) units receiving federal support.
(https://media.tenor.co/images/5ba2e9402035d4e3ca0f29f0423cdf94/raw)
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Pass laws, demand gun safes, insurance, use zoning, pass anti-gun laws over and over and ignore the Supreme Court. Force the issue upon America. Define arms by law to be those known in 1789. Highlight the preamble of the Constitution. The Constitution is invalid if it fails the words of the preamble.
The path you're suggesting is a far greater threat to the preamble than anything gun rights advocates have done.
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sanatanadharma (2,687 posts)
22. If "nothing can be done!", then ...
... America is done.
Pass laws, demand gun safes, insurance, use zoning, pass anti-gun laws over and over and ignore the Supreme Court. Force the issue upon America. Define arms by law to be those known in 1789. Highlight the preamble of the Constitution. The Constitution is invalid if it fails the words of the preamble.
Force Americans to choose between centuries of fatal tradition or an actual functioning society that treats the idea of kids bleeding out in schools as a sign of mental, moral, social dis-eases. Keep the courts busy with new laws, appeals, public discussion, pressure on judges and everyone else to justify the status quo as good, acceptable, necessary, unchangeable.
Make it clear who is for humanity and who is bestial and favors child sacrifices.
There are those on the right pushing for a constitutional convention. They do not believe that nothing can be done about the Constitution.
Demand justice not 'just us' for for the overarmed few. There is NO well regulated militia if the USA does not have call-up contact information about bearers of arms or the arms and ammunition available.
Stop coddling the gun-lovers and killers.
Jim Cramer thinks this is a winning bet! :lmao:
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I have a better idea. How about if we make every welfare leach and SSDI lowlife work 40 hours a week or they don't get any money from hard working Americans?
OR
I am also open to just cutting welfare and SSDI for able bodied people and they can get work to pay for food and shelter themselves.
What do you ****ing useless oxygen stealing DUmbass leaches think of that?
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LexVegas (5,399 posts)
40. The Constitution protects rights you don't like too.
Careful Lex. Youre on thin ice with that kinda talk. Thats practically whacky conservative ideas. :-)
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I have a better idea. How about if we make every welfare leach and SSDI lowlife work 40 hours a week or they don't get any money from hard working Americans?
OR
I am also open to just cutting welfare and SSDI for able bodied people and they can get work to pay for food and shelter themselves.
What do you ****ing useless oxygen stealing DUmbass leaches think of that?
Funny you would post that. Keep in mind, the degenerate known as GenXer47 (699 posts)
is an unemployed 40 something coffee barista who lives with its momma. Constantly complaining about its lack of a love life.
Thats the type of DUmp-grade prog. who would come with this ridiculous idea. Im not surprised.
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How about:
NO. <racks a slide, chambering a round>
Your move lefty.
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How about:
NO. <racks a slide, chambering a round>
Your move lefty.
How many Teflon cop killer rounds do you have in that clip?
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How about:
NO. <racks a slide, chambering a round>
Your move lefty.
I agree but unless children are around, you should have one in the pipe already. There is valuable time lost with racking and what if you are fending off a democrat or a democrat has disabled your off hand. Sure you can rack one handed on your belt or a table/desk (& I recommend practicing that) but why take the chance and lose valuable seconds.
Just my 2 cents.
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How many Teflon cop killer rounds do you have in that clip?
Don't know about that, but I pack loaded for DUm'Rats with "DUmDUm" rounds. :lmao:
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I agree but unless children are around, you should have one in the pipe already. There is valuable time lost with racking and what if you are fending off a democrat or a democrat has disabled your off hand. Sure you can rack one handed on your belt or a table/desk but why take the chance and lose valuable seconds.
Just my 2 cents.
Interesting aside. When getting arms training as a correction officer, one of the reasons we were given to not keep a round chambered in the issued shotgun was that the sound of racking a pump shotgun is one of the most recognized sounds in the world, and in most of the situations we would be in, hearing that sound would likely give the inmates pause and prevent the need to discharge the weapon.
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I would draft all the war mongering politicians and their families first send them straight to the front lines
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Interesting aside. When getting arms training as a correction officer, one of the reasons we were given to not keep a round chambered in the issued shotgun was that the sound of racking a pump shotgun is one of the most recognized sounds in the world, and in most of the situations we would be in, hearing that sound would likely give the inmates pause and prevent the need to discharge the weapon.
I've heard that too but I'm not betting my family's life on that. However, I was specifically speaking of semiautomatic pistols one would carry.