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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: BamaMoose on April 18, 2022, 02:04:13 AM
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applegrove (106,239 posts)
Several Million Seen Staying Out of Labor Force
Several Million Seen Staying Out of Labor Force
April 16, 2022 at 7:50 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 126 Comments
https://politicalwire.com/2022/04/16/several-million-seen-staying-out-of-labor-force/ (https://politicalwire.com/2022/04/16/several-million-seen-staying-out-of-labor-force/)
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“Several million workers who dropped out of the U.S. workforce during the Covid-19 pandemic plan to stay out indefinitely because of persistent illness fears or physical impairments, potentially exacerbating the labor shortage for years,” the Wall Street Journal reports.
“About three million workforce dropouts say they don’t plan to return to pre-Covid activities—whether that includes going to work, shopping in person or dining out—even after the pandemic ends, according to a monthly survey conducted over the past year by a team of researchers. The workforce dropouts tend to be women, lack a college degree and have worked in low-paying fields.”
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Applegrove: if they are afraid of covid they may be Democratic voters. I hope the Democrats have a direct message to this group in 2022 and 2024 elections.
Three million people are still afraid to leave their protective bubbles and act like normal human beings, potentially for years to come and Applegrove's kneejerk reaction is "they may be Democrats". LOL, of course they're Dems. Being afraid of the outside world is a core Democat value.
Hoyt, of all people, notices that "Dems are lazy, paranoid leeches" might not be a great rallying cry.
Hoyt (53,547 posts)
2. Not sure running on "Democrats are afraid of COVID and going back to work," is our best message.
Of course, that has been the Dem message for the past two years.
bucolic_frolic (30,787 posts)
3. I think many just found it more profitable to work at home on side-gigs
It is an expensive grind going to work. Gas, traffic time, car depreciation, wardrobe, food. Many liked life better without their boss, and while some co-workers are fine, some aren't. Life has possibilities at home.
The other activities are expensive grinds too. Do them less, find some efficiency, the bottom line is close enough.
I don't see any fear of covid except amongst elderly populations. The healthy and vaxxed have had enough of covid for a lifetime.
If by side gig you mean collecting unemployment and not paying your rent, that has been highly profitable for a number of Dems.
MichMan (6,523 posts)
12. Do these "gig jobs" pay into SS & Medicare for people working them?
Star Member jimfields33 (9,220 posts)
13. Yes. They pay entire 15 percent themselves
MichMan (6,523 posts)
15. Good to hear; I believe most people would.
If they are working for cash and under reporting their income, that is going to hurt them when the retire and file for Social Security then.
At least a couple times a month there's a DU thread about paying contractors and repairmen and tipping servers in cash so they can dodge taxes. Just a week or so ago their was a huge thread about the new 1099 reporting requirements for sites like eBay, with many DUmmies upset that they might have to actually pay taxes on their digital market sales. So who, other than a DUmmy, believes all these people with gig jobs are accurately reporting their income and paying all their taxes? MichMan probably also believes that thieves accurately report all their income from robbing people.
former9thward (25,904 posts)
14. Is someone working for cash and not paying taxes going to answer that question
honestly from a person they don't know who is calling them on the phone? I doubt it.
Star Member progree (8,851 posts)
16. Especially if they are getting unemployment benefits or filing for UE benefits :)
A couple of them have a fragment of a clue.
Buckeye_Democrat (13,930 posts)
6. If I could do that, I would.
It would be different if I wasn't typecast as a factory worker after doing it for so long just to survive, but that seems to be my lot in life now. I'll keep trying to find alternatives.
Our "civilized" jobs are downright inhumane to many people. People are told to do some repetitive task for several hours, and they're not even allowed to talk to coworkers while doing it because that might be a distraction from the work.
There's always going to be some repetitive tasks that need done just to survive in this world, but I haven't yet seen so-called "primitive" people being yelled at for talking or singing together as they sit down and pound grains into powder with stones or whatever.
Our more "civilized" world is about increased productivity for the sake of the FEW, not the masses.
The managers at my current workplace have all kinds of free time to attend mostly pointless meetings and to talk amongst themselves. The fact that others don't have that luxury, who they can see every day, still amazes me. They simply don't give a shit.
Whatever more intellectually gratifying job I might find someday, it can NOT involve me being exposed to less fortunate coworkers. The feelings of guilt would be too much. So I can totally understand the appeal of working at home, away from all of that.
Buckeye_Democrat claims to be in his fifties, with a BS double major in math and physics. Yet, he is somehow "typecast" as a factory worker. Definitely must be more to that story. And with 30 years of experience he hasn't risen into some level of management. I have a funny feeling he isn't the best worker on the shop floor. But at least he has big dreams of obtaining a more intellectually gratifying job, like grinding wheat into flour with a rock. I wish him well in that endeavor.
Star Member applegrove (106,239 posts)
9. I agree. CEOs constantly talk about increasing productivity
but to what end?
Also civilization has made drugs like magic mushrooms illegal. For sure you need to be careful on them but they reduce ptsd and depression and increase connectivity of the brain while helping to change narratives. Magic mushrooms exist wherever humans lived, on all continents except for Antarctica. Humans probably used them fir 100,000s of years. Good that they are studying them now.
Um, yeah, now there's a plan. People working on assembly lines putting your car together should be stoned out of their minds while they work to make boring, repetitive tasks more interesting.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216601222 (https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216601222)
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Story lines in about 20-25 years "Several Million workers that stayed out of the workforce during the Great Pandemic 2020-2022 have less than $5,000.00 in their 401Ks". Democrat lawmakers urge passage of "Social Security non-contribution forgiveness".
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^^ Your $5,000 estimate is WAY too high. That's been long gone.
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Story lines in about 20-25 years "Several Million workers that stayed out of the workforce during the Great Pandemic 2020-2022 have less than $5,000.00 in their 401Ks". Democrat lawmakers urge passage of "Social Security non-contribution forgiveness".
Why should they be treated any differently than the illegal aliens? :(
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Applegrove: if they are afraid of covid they may be Democratic voters. I hope the Democrats have a direct message to this group in 2022 and 2024 elections.
The democrats' message is the reason they are so afraid in the first place.
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There is not a "labor shortage." There is a mismatch of job skills and a set of bad incentives as far back as the start of the pandemic. No one with contemporary job skills (be they technical or manual) is sitting on the sidelines. By this I mean there are no plumbers or electricians sitting on their asses, just as there are no .NET or JavaScript coders doing nothing. The people who are sitting on the sidelines have weak, infinitely fungible skills, and many have deluded themselves into believing they can live on gig economy scratch forever.
The bifurcation of the labor market into earners and scrapers is exacerbated by the Dem insistence on importing illegals into the country. All that does is dilute the market for unskilled labor, which describes most working-age DUmmies perfectly. The fact that so many older DUmmies whine incessantly about their hourly-paid jobs tells me that they never had contemporary job skills, or they were too busy smoking dope to keep up with job skills. This implies as well that they probably didn't save or invest, which means they have little to fall back on.
Ordinarily, I'd say, "too bad, so sad," but we have fallen into a weird place where even "Republican" admins think the answer to all problems is to print money and write checks. So all of these poor people that the government/education/entertainment complex created will be taken care of by someone, and that someone is (a) all of us, in the form of inflation, but also (b) anyone who worked and saved rather than putting on a fedora and pretending to be Howlin' Wolf so people on the internet will notice them.
Hard times are coming soon. Very hard. The only good thing about that will be that good people will be created, and they'll help usher in better times later. At which point, of course, those good times will create more effete, guitar-strumming, Cultural Studies, tattooed, tranny, drugged-out, work-avoiding freaks that will restart the cycle of misery we find ourselves in now.
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1. Stop paying them (Covid-boosted) UEI. They are unemployed voluntarily.
2. Since they are not looking for work, these millions are not counted in the unemployment numbers the LIEden MalAdministration tout every month. In other words, the LIEden MalAdministration unemployment numbers are fauxny. applegrove probably didn't think about that.
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Buckeye_Democrat (13,930 posts)
6. If I could do that, I would.
It would be different if I wasn't typecast as a factory worker after doing it for so long just to survive, but that seems to be my lot in life now. I'll keep trying to find alternatives.
Our "civilized" jobs are downright inhumane to many people. People are told to do some repetitive task for several hours, and they're not even allowed to talk to coworkers while doing it because that might be a distraction from the work.
It is a distraction. The rule probably saved you from crushing a body part or putting a hole into one.
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It is a distraction. The rule probably saved you from crushing a body part or putting a hole into one.
He puts the heads on the Barbie dolls. :whatever:
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Our "civilized" jobs are downright inhumane to many people. People are told to do some repetitive task for several hours, and they're not even allowed to talk to coworkers while doing it because that might be a distraction from the work.
At most, this is a vast over-simplification. Whether in the Carter years or today or anytime in between that has never described any of my jobs, not the repetitiveness, not the lack of communication with coworkers. Even entry-level and near-entry-level jobs such as at M or Starchucks where there is some repetitiveness, communication among coworkers is essential.