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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Mary Ann on March 07, 2022, 05:22:15 PM
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216454551
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:12 PM
Star Member RussBLib (5,521 posts)
we may HAVE to go to war
The world has had enough of Putin. Enough of the bullies. Enough of the kleptocratic thugs. Enough of this ****ed-up cyber warfare BS.
We cannot just let a democracy like Ukraine burn under relentless Russian bombardment.
And after we kick Russia's ass, perhaps we should remove them from the UN Security Council. Seize and crush their remaining military. Seize their nuclear weapons. Seize their oil and gas, or at the minimum, confiscate the money generated from oil and gas and give it to Ukraine for rebuilding.
Russia needs to learn to get along with its neighbors.
Will I get trashed for this? I don't think Ukraine is worth going to nuclear war. If letting Putin have Ukraine, or the rest of the former Eastern bloc, is the price we have to pay to live without all the fallout, nuclear and otherwise, then let him have it. I'm also not so sure, at this point, that we could kick Putin's ass. We have military leadership that is more concerned about not "misgendering" the he/shes, and making sure that there is a proportionate number of [name your underrepresented group] than actually fighting wars. If you can honestly tell me I'm wrong, please do so.
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216454551
Will I get trashed for this? I don't think Ukraine is worth going to nuclear war. If letting Putin have Ukraine, or the rest of the former Eastern bloc, is the price we have to pay to live without all the fallout, nuclear and otherwise, then let him have it. I'm also not so sure, at this point, that we could kick Putin's ass. We have military leadership that is more concerned about not "misgendering" the he/shes, and making sure that there is a proportionate number of [name your underrepresented group] than actually fighting wars. If you can honestly tell me I'm wrong, please do so.
You aren't wrong at all. Nuclear war is not in our interests, despite the atrocities being committed by that jag-off Putin.
This Ukraine invasion is a primer or road map for when China does the same to Taiwan in the coming months. That one could be far more interesting and revealing on the reactions of different factions of America.
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You aren't wrong at all. Nuclear war is not in our interests, despite the atrocities being committed by that jag-off Putin.
This Ukraine invasion is a primer or road map for when China does the same to Taiwan in the coming months. That one could be far more interesting and revealing on the reactions of different factions of America.
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Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:12 PM
Star Member RussBLib (5,521 posts)
we may HAVE to go to war...
What's all this "we" shit, Kimosabe?
Between the probability of at least one felony conviction a piece, the utter inability to piss clean long enough to even get inducted, and the general disdain for anything resembling honest, hard work, I'll guarantee there aren't any recruiters cursing their misfortunes at not getting your sorry asses under contract. Add to that the fact that there ain't a one of you ass clowns under the age of thirty, and that most of you put fifty to your rear view mirror a long damned time ago, and that probability is as near to unity as anything gets. It ain't going to be YOUR tender pink ass on the two-way firing range, and therefore the whole "we're all in this together" mantra rings just as hollow now as it did when y'all were religiously narc'ing out resisters to lock-downs and mask mandates for the jack-booted treatment.
So in short, DUmbass; what you're saying is that you are -once again- willing to shed OTHER PEOPLE'S blood and treasure so that you can have the luxury of assuaging your feelings by saying the dementia-addled pedophile in the Oval Orifice "did something" about that eee-vil Putin, and since you voted for the Incompetent One (probably early and often, like a good little Dim'Rat, but I digress) by extension YOU did something about Putin as well.
Charming...
:jerkit: :foff:
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216454551
Will I get trashed for this? I don't think Ukraine is worth going to nuclear war. If letting Putin have Ukraine, or the rest of the former Eastern bloc, is the price we have to pay to live without all the fallout, nuclear and otherwise, then let him have it. I'm also not so sure, at this point, that we could kick Putin's ass. We have military leadership that is more concerned about not "misgendering" the he/shes, and making sure that there is a proportionate number of [name your underrepresented group] than actually fighting wars. If you can honestly tell me I'm wrong, please do so.
Hell no you won't get trashed. This is the only sane way to go.
Ukraine is not going to conventional war with Russia.
Ukraine is not worth the corruption that both the donkey party and the republicans are making it out to be.
I know this because the DUmp is so gung ho to have war with Russia.
I'd rather fight out domestic enemies here in the USA than Russia over the Ukraine.
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yeah, the OP is a 65 year old burnout, so dumb he thinks a nuclear war with Russia is going to stimulate the American economy, ::)
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yeah, the OP is a 65 year old burnout, so dumb he thinks a nuclear war with Russia is going to stimulate the American economy, ::)
It would have the virtue of burning out predominantly blue shit holes.
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They have no idea if Russia uses nukes against the USA, so will China. Democrats are playing a dangerous game.
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" We haven't received any pay. We don't have any money. " said a captured Russian soldier yesterday.
Let sinking morale take its course. I thought the Left was big into samurai-wisdom 'n shit.
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To be fully honest, I object to the USA going to war when any Dem/leftist is commander-in-chief. Dems are incompetent. I see no reason for good Americans to risk their lives when the head honcho is incompetent.
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Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:12 PM
Star Member RussBLib (5,521 posts)
we may HAVE to go to war
The world has had enough of Putin. Enough of the bullies. Enough of the kleptocratic thugs. Enough of this ****ed-up cyber warfare BS.
We cannot just let a democracy like Ukraine burn under relentless Russian bombardment.
And after we kick Russia's ass, perhaps we should remove them from the UN Security Council. Seize and crush their remaining military. Seize their nuclear weapons. Seize their oil and gas, or at the minimum, confiscate the money generated from oil and gas and give it to Ukraine for rebuilding.
Russia needs to learn to get along with its neighbors.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/58132200/do-you-want-nuclear-war-because-thats-how-you-get-nuclear-war.jpg)
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" We haven't received any pay. We don't have any money. " said a captured Russian soldier yesterday.
Let sinking morale take its course. I thought the Left was big into samurai-wisdom 'n shit.
And maybe that’s true, but who knows. Maybe the Russians were told if they get captured to claim they thought it was just going to be a military exercise, or they were told they’d be welcomed as heroes, or that they haven’t got paid. Maybe the Ukrainians told them to say that. Who can say what is accurate and what isn’t?
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You aren't wrong at all. Nuclear war is not in our interests, despite the atrocities being committed by that jag-off Putin.
This Ukraine invasion is a primer or road map for when China does the same to Taiwan in the coming months. That one could be far more interesting and revealing on the reactions of different factions of America.
I have very mixed feelings about this. I want to avoid a war that might end up in a nuclear exchange but then again I see the whole appease Hitler thing playing itself out again. Many times I have asked myself why the world allowed Hitler to get away with what he did but now I begin to understand that to stand on principles might come with a very hefty cost.
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I have very mixed feelings about this. I want to avoid a war that might end up in a nuclear exchange but then again I see the whole appease Hitler thing playing itself out again. Many times I have asked myself why the world allowed Hitler to get away with what he did but now I begin to understand that to stand on principles might come with a very hefty cost.
The difference between now and then is nukes. In retrospect, shutting down Hitler early on seems like a no-brainer. Add nuclear weapons into the equation--and it's a whole lot different.
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The difference between now and then is nukes. In retrospect, shutting down Hitler early on seems like a no-brainer. Add nuclear weapons into the equation--and it's a whole lot different.
The other difference is that the Russian military is proving inept at logistics and coordination, which is required to make good use of their advanced weapons. There is no doubt that they
have some devastating non-nuclear capabilities, but they're already somewhat winded just trying to take down Ukraine. Unless other incursions are about 10x friendlier than Ukraine, I don't
see how they hold it while expanding elsewhere. I also suspect that China, which is run by far more intelligent people, has probably warned Russia that it forbids use of nukes. China wants to
be rich and influential, and nuclear war would ruin that worldview. At the same time, I suspect Russia doesn't want to get too close to China, as Putin views himself as the world's top dog.
China's economy dwarfs Russia's, so Putin would be second fiddle in any imagined alliance.
But what do I know. Let me not suffer the fate of the DUmmy and believe my opinion has validity.
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The difference between now and then is nukes. In retrospect, shutting down Hitler early on seems like a no-brainer. Add nuclear weapons into the equation--and it's a whole lot different.
I believe that Putin is of the mind to use the nukes anyways if things don't go his way or he feels that the whole world is ganging upon him. The fact that he has no compulsion not to slaughter civilians leads me to believe he really doesn't care about the level of carnage he causes.
Regardless of his ability to start firing off ICBMs at what point does his actions negate that threat? Technically, if he moves on a NATO country we have to respond in spite of his nuclear arsenal.
These are the questions I've asked myself lately. Where do we set the line and when is enough, enough.
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The last thing this country needs is another war.
We have no leader, the military is now a social experiment, we depend on foreign countries for to many of our manufactured goods and specially drugs.
We are no longer energy independent which is a major impediment to being successful in a war.
Our country is a mess right now, the left has done so much damage to our country and society it may never recover.
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The last thing this country needs is another war.
We have no leader, the military is now a social experiment, we depend on foreign countries for to many of our manufactured goods and specially drugs.
We are no longer energy independent which is a major impediment to being successful in a war.
Our country is a mess right now, the left has done so much damage to our country and society it may never recover.
Spot on. Hi 5.
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Our country is a mess right now, the left has done so much damage to our country and society it may never recover.
All in under 14 months of POTATUS Senile Pedophile and his junta. Only 34 more months of destruction to go and yes I think it is already too late to recover. Destruction is easy, even a senile old corrupt pedophile can do it. Construction is hard few can do it.
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Do you want to know what scares me? What would Putin do if Russia turned against him? Would he opt for a scorched-earth operation? What better way to implement something like that than by letting the nukes fly?
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216454551
Will I get trashed for this? I don't think Ukraine is worth going to nuclear war. If letting Putin have Ukraine, or the rest of the former Eastern bloc, is the price we have to pay to live without all the fallout, nuclear and otherwise, then let him have it. I'm also not so sure, at this point, that we could kick Putin's ass. We have military leadership that is more concerned about not "misgendering" the he/shes, and making sure that there is a proportionate number of [name your underrepresented group] than actually fighting wars. If you can honestly tell me I'm wrong, please do so.
A war with Russia is a bad idea.
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To be fully honest, I object to the USA going to war when any Dem/leftist is commander-in-chief. Dems are incompetent. I see no reason for good Americans to risk their lives when the head honcho is incompetent.
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Think this is the first time we've had a democrat SecDef in decades. Even past democrats nominated Republicans.
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I've been kicking around this idea: Russia being the next biggest threat in Asia, China decides to support their ukraining excursion. They watch Russia pound itself against the wall economically while also expending their military resources. China sees this as an opportunity for a hostile takeover of Russian energy sources and a big step forward in world economic gain with little military threat.
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Many/most of Russia's energy resources are far from China, and the ______stan's are between China and the Caucasus oilfields (let's not even try to figure how far the Arctic Circle region is from China). In addition, logistics through Gansu, Qinghai, and Xinjiang Provinces would be a nightmare. China could go for eastern Siberia, but why?
BTW, since I haven't said it outright, I oppose sending US forces into Ukraine. I've seen the map and have some understanding of logistics, supply and tactical.
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Think this is the first time we've had a democrat SecDef in decades. Even past democrats nominated Republicans.
Another affirmative action hire. He proved that is the only way he got the job with the Afghanistan pullout debacle.
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Many/most of Russia's energy resources are far from China, and the ______stan's are between China and the Caucasus oilfields (let's not even try to figure how far the Arctic Circle region is from China). In addition, logistics through Gansu, Qinghai, and Xinjiang Provinces would be a nightmare. China could go for eastern Siberia, but why?
BTW, since I haven't said it outright, I oppose sending US forces into Ukraine. I've seen the map and have some understanding of logistics, supply and tactical.
Siberia is oil heavy too from what I recall, just wildly under developed