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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on February 26, 2022, 09:00:20 AM
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fightforfreedom (601 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216402914
How about supplying road side bombs to the military, people, of Ukraine?
We Americans know what a nightmare road side bombs can be too troops.
IEDs were Improvised Explosive Devices. They made them out of various scrap shit laying around, like artillery shells with the fuses replaced with C4, a detonator and usually a remote detonation device. You don't buy them at the local Military Discount shop, DUmbass.
(https://amrel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/IED_Baghdad_from_munitions.jpg)
Star Member vlyons (8,102 posts)
1. How you going to get them to the Ukrainians?
Air space is closed, so no air drops. Neither NATO nor American troop are going in to deliver anything.
...wait for it...
fightforfreedom (601 posts)
2. Smuggle them across the border.
It can be done.
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fightforfreedom (601 posts)
5. This about it.
We are talking artillery shells. They are not mines. Supply them with artillery shells and the Military, people of Ukraine can make their own cell phone detonators.
Oh, someone looked up IED on the interwebs...
Star Member FSogol (42,090 posts)
6. Sorry to disappoint, but the war crimes are being committed by Russia, not Ukraine
And NATO.
fightforfreedom (601 posts)
8. Don't you remember Iraq?
The people of Iraq kicked the shit out us with road side bombs.You take an artillery shell, bury it on the side of the road, When a Russian military vehicle drives by you set it off with a cell phone. It is almost impossible to defend against.
No, not really. You jam the transmissions. Then they change to command detonated devices, then you change your counter, then they change the method of engagement...
They didn't kick our asses with IEDs. They made life unpleasent. We killed more of them than they did us, btw.
( [this guy] Had his 1025 hit 17 times with IEDs in Iraq in 2005... still being an asshole on the intewebs...)
fightforfreedom (601 posts)
9. War crimes?
Right now this is the Russian military vs the Ukraine military. Soon the Russia military will defeat the Ukraine military. Then it becomes guerrilla warfare. There are no rules in guerrilla warfare. You blow up bridges, roads, railroad tracks, buildings, whatever it takes.
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Star Member Chainfire (7,618 posts)
17. Waging aggressive war is also a crime.
IEDs don't just go off by magic, they are triggered remotely by some hero, who is observing the bomb, and is probably going to give his life for the honor. They want to sell their lives as dearly as possible, and that is not by taking out granny and the kids on the way to a picnic.
War is the dissolution law. I support the means of the Ukrainians to defend themselves from the invaders by any means at their disposal. That would include waging a partisan war against "soft targets" inside of Russia until the Russian troops return to their own damn country. The Russian people are responsible for the actions of their government. Let them know that there is a price for continuing support for leadership that starts war in a lust for power, fame and fortune.
Russians know that in war, civilians die. They came anyway.
Star Member Chainfire (7,618 posts)
14. They don't call roadside bombs "Improvised" explosive devices (IED) for nothing.
I am sure that the Ukrainians will improvise as needed. You can bet that, all over Ukraine, today, there are future partisans burying explosives in secret caches, just in case. The Russians may well win the war, but lose the peace.
Putin will face the same problem that we faced in Viet Nam and Afghanistan. The only sure way to secure the "peace" would have been to kill every native in the country.
Why not just send them 10,000 anti-tank missiles?
Star Member honest.abe (5,982 posts)
16. RPG's would be more effective.
Small lightweight powerful. Easy to ship to Ukraine by truck or rail from the West.
RPGs are not effective against tanks with reactive plated armor.
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Why not just bring up the Union 12 pounders? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAHK0WTSJa8
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Star Member vlyons (8,102 posts)
1. How you going to get them to the Ukrainians?
Air space is closed, so no air drops. Neither NATO nor American troop are going in to deliver anything.
Order up the IED kits from Amazon and use their air delivery drones.
Do I have to do all your thinking for you DUmmies?
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Order up the IED kits from Amazon and use their air delivery drones.
Do I have to do all your thinking for you DUmmies?
Ikea would be quicker but there may be some assembly required.
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I assume that both sides have their versions of claymores.