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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on February 18, 2022, 06:09:58 PM
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MOMFUDSKI (602 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216369979
Biden is putting Putin's shit right out in the front yard!
He announces that Putin has decided to invade. Calling his bluff big time. I am a poker player from way back and this is great.
:yawn:
Star Member cilla4progress (18,310 posts)
1. Can you please elaborate?
MOMFUDSKI (602 posts)
2. Biden and the world are tired of this charade
and it is time to DO SOMETHING. Letting Putin know just exactly WHO is really in charge. Is that good enuf for you?
Star Member cilla4progress (18,310 posts)
3. How is that calling Putin's bluff?
MOMFUDSKI (602 posts)
4. If putin goes in then Joe told the whole world FIRST.
If he goes home then Biden will have won the battle. Either way, putin is a loser. Use your imagination.
:rotf:
Star Member PJMcK (17,269 posts)
5. I think it's a psychological operation
By announcing that Putin is going to invade, President Biden has erased any tactical surprise from Putin's plans.
Putin has been saying that he wants peace, blah, blah, blah. He's been "negotiating" in bad faith but he's trying to make it look like he's open to diplomacy.
By calling Putin's bluff, President Biden has made it clear that if Russian forces invade the Ukraine, Putin will be exposed as a liar. This puts tremendous pressure on Putin to rethink his war plans because he'll be ostracized by most of the rest of the world if he goes ahead and invades.
I think that's the idea since the U.S. is not going to send troops to defend the Ukraine.
So... telling Russia we know they are going to invade AND telling him we're not sending in troops wins because???
Star Member sarisataka (13,365 posts)
11. So what happens when you are playing poker
And you call a person's bluff then they show 4 aces. Do you still win because you called it?
Star Member PJMcK (17,269 posts)
13. Of course not
But if Putin does invade, the whole world has been put on notice and Russia will be ostracized and sanctioned. Further, Putin will have lost any veneer of respectability.
As a pessimist, I’m expecting that Putin has four aces and a wild card, too.
Star Member sarisataka (13,365 posts)
15. I believe when the vote was taken To condemn his annexation of Crimea 111 nation's abstained. With that kind of ostracizing he may will calculate that he can survive the sanctions.
Also he is a relic of the Soviet Union. They lasted quite a while without any veneer of respectability.
All Putin has to do is turn off the gas to western Europe.
Star Member PJMcK (17,269 posts)
18. Good points
Putin does need international fealty in order to do business. If he can’t sell his stuff, mostly fuels, then he’s lost his leverage.
But as I wrote, I expect the worst.
IF Europe says no to Russia fuel... and electricity... who is going to supply it?
We can't.
qazplm135 (6,772 posts)
14. but he doesn't hold any aces
he has a losing hand.
His best case scenario is Afghanistan on steroids with severe economic sanctions.
How's that win?
... No... that would be NATO and us...
Star Member sarisataka (13,365 posts)
16. Underestimating your opponent is a sure way to defeat
He has a very strong hand. He has been able to array his forces exactly as he wishes.. He can choose the exact time and place to initiate hostilities. He has 3 separate avenues of approach that forces Ukraine to spread their defenses. Most importantly he knows NATO will not interfere militarily.
There is a lot to favor the Russians initially
Star Member uponit7771 (81,576 posts)
21. He can do that for six months maybe, no dollar no economy no trade ... how's that a win?!
:whatever:
Star Member WVreaper (430 posts)
22. Putin got a green light on this
from that twice impeached former president on Biden is having none of that. The poker analogy fits. Biden is calling out all of the cards before Putin can play them.
So, somehow Russia didn't invade til now?
:thatsright:
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Primitives are all out hopping around the fire, waggling their arms, and crowing victory before anything has happened. Not the sign of deep thinkers.
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LPC nooooooooob, sigh ......
Or maybe Putin fed the CIA fake info just to see if Neville Biden would bite.
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Is, "______ is putting ______'s shit right out in the front yard," some sort of regional saying? I've never heard it here in CA, nor in AZ when I lived there.
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Primitives are all out hopping around the fire, waggling their arms, and crowing victory before anything has happened. Not the sign of deep thinkers.
Have they ever been known to be?
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Have they ever been known to be?
They've only ever been intellectual legends in their own minds...
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The truth of the matter is if Putin wants to invade he will and NATO nor the USA will do shit about it. Luckily Putin doesn't want to invade. He'd rather use soft power to get what he want and he already has it. $100/bbl oil, JoePedo making a fool of himself and the USA, putting the EU in their place, and generally laughing at the West.
It is so embarrassing to be an American under the senile old pedophile
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Obama: Putin invades and seizes Crimea
Trump: ...........
Biden: Putin is on the verge of seizing the rest of Ukraine.
Summation: Democrats are pussies.
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Primitives are all out hopping around the fire, waggling their arms, and crowing victory before anything has happened. Not the sign of deep thinkers.
Mission Accomplished! :p
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Every time I read that thread it becomes even more funny. According to DU “logic”, Cap’n Dementia should just say “Sometime in the future there will be conflict in the world”, and by doing so he’s already pointed it out and beaten anyone who ever desires to start a war to the punch, and he wins.
Leftists are so simpleminded.
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I don't think DUmmies understand the definition of "calling his bluff." Predicting your opponent's hand is not calling a bluff, raising the stakes is.
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Everyone remember how ALL OF EUROPE cheated on the Iraq sanctiions? And how Europe complained about the US invasion NOT for humanitarian reasons but for the $ they were owed?
The definition of "millisecond" is length of time between declaring sanctions and backstreet deals starting.
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Star Member PJMcK (17,269 posts)
5. I think it's a psychological operation
By announcing that Putin is going to invade, President Biden has erased any tactical surprise from Putin's plans.
I’ll admit that I’ve never read The Art of War and am not one of the experienced generals who helped Biden clusterf**k the Afghanistan withdrawal but I’m pretty sure that when Putin openly puts 200K troops on the Ukraine border that his military strategy is not based on “tactical surprise.”
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Star Member PJMcK (17,269 posts)
5. I think it's a psychological operation
By announcing that Putin is going to invade, President Biden has erased any tactical surprise from Putin's plans.
When has war Russian style put great emphasis on surprise? War Russian style is largely a mix of overwhelming force and grinding down the opponent, with intimidation beforehand. If Russia tries to bite of part or all of Ukraine, that will be Putin's strategy.
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5. I think it's a psychological operation
By announcing that Putin is going to invade, President Biden has erased any tactical surprise from Putin's plans.
:lmao: :thatsright:
There's no element of surprise when you've amassed so many troops near Ukraine.
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:lmao: :thatsright:
There's no element of surprise when you've amassed so many troops near Ukraine.
Oh, I don't know about that. After all; Comrade Hitler had 680,000 troops massed on the Russian border, and when they crossed into Russia itself, Comrade Stalin was surprised as hell.
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Oh, I don't know about that. After all; Comrade Hitler had 680,000 troops massed on the Russian border, and when they crossed into Russia itself, Comrade Stalin was surprised as hell.
Stalin was an idiot when it came to military issues; he has also liquidated most of his competent senior officers as they presented the only real threat to his tyranny.
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Just going to bump this thread to see if MOMFUDSKI may have any other words of wisdom praising the Brandon admin. :o
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MOMFUDSKI (602 posts)
4. If putin goes in then Joe told the whole world FIRST.
Just going to bump this thread to see if MOMFUDSKI may have any other words of wisdom praising the Brandon admin. :o
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Just going to bump this thread to see if MOMFUDSKI may have any other words of wisdom praising the Brandon admin. :o
Would that a Mole Storm of posts bumping all of DU's Biden is a Genius threads were practical and consistent with long-term moling.
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MOMFUDSKI (602 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216369979
Biden is putting Putin's shit right out in the front yard!
The only place biden puts shit is in his trousers.
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The only place biden puts shit is in his trousers.
Floor of the Vatican as well.
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MOMFUDSKI (602 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216369979
Biden is taking a shit right out in the front yard!
He announces that Putin has decided to invade. I am a poker player from way back and this is great.
FIFY