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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on January 14, 2022, 03:34:15 PM
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Grins (4,524 posts)
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Quick question!!! "When was the last time you recited the Pledge of Allegiance?"
I'd like to know. Esp. after yesterday when a state Rep in Iowa proposed a bill to go after teachers if they showed any disrespect towards the Pledge.
From late June 1965 when I got out of high school, to my 4-years in college, to my 6-years in the U.S. Army, I NEVER once said the Pledge of Allegiance. No employer had me or my fellow employees do that, nor had any meetings where it was done.
If I thought really hard I might come up with a couple of instances where the Pledge was recited; if, say, at a banquet where the colors were presented by a color guard. In the last 25-years? ZERO!
Is it just me, but do Republicans have an authoritarian fetish about the Pledge?
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Journeyman (14,312 posts)
2. I pledged allegiance to the Constitution when I was inducted into the military in the early '70s...
I haven't repeated the pledge since, and I've no intention of ever repeating it.
The way I figure it, once you pledge yourself to something, if you truly mean it, you need never do it again. In fact, to do so -- to engage in a "doctrine of continual reaffirmation" -- makes a mockery of the original vow, as only a meaningless pledge needs constant updating. I affirmed my commitment to the Constitution as a young man. If I ever change my mind, I'll renounce my pledge. Until then, I consider it my word, freely given. Any attempt to make me renew it simply insults me and casts aspersions on my honor.
As for those who insist it should be recited on multiple occasions, who would prefer to see it rendered meaningless through reduction to nothing more than a rote recitation, I often wonder, if they can't trust me to keep a pledge quietly, what's my mumbling it going to mean?
Perhaps we should just reduce it to a “Reader’s Digest” version: “I pledge allegiance to liberty and justice for all.” Short and to the point, non-controversial, useful for all peoples on the planet.
Star Member BlueTsunami2018 (2,060 posts)
5. No idea.
I’m part of a club that has annual award banquets and they do it there but I never participate. It seems juvenile and ridiculous to me.
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Star Member frogmarch (11,294 posts)
7. 1954, when "under God" was added.
I was in the 4th grade and a budding atheist. To avoid getting slapped around by my teacher, I stood for the Pledge and hand over heart, recited all but "under God."
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LoisB (2,108 posts)
8. I haven't said it since I realized that line about "with liberty and justice for all" did not apply
to me. So maybe since I was about 12.
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Star Member Mr.Bill (15,117 posts)
9. I like to ask people who insist on saying it at meetings, etc.
if they say their marriage vows every morning when they wake up with their wife, or was once enough.
When I was in high school in the 60s, people refused to say it and it went all the way to the courts. A judge decided they can force you to stand, but they can't force you to say it. If I ever do say it I leave out the words "under god". The courts in California stopped saying "so help me god" When swearing you in decades ago.
Star Member Jilly_in_VA (4,200 posts)
11. It was done
sometime after 9/11 at some function where I was. I did not participate. I also do not participate a whole lot in the National Anthem. Oh, I stand, basically because I have to, but I do not put my hand over my heart or anything. Sometimes I bow my head. I would kneel at basketball games if I thought I could but being a blue dot in a big red ocean I am a little afraid to and spousal unit has cautioned me about making waves. I noticed that some of the players on the women's team also bow their heads. Most (not all) are Black. It will be interesting next year to see what the Russian player does.
Star Member musette_sf (9,505 posts)
15. During the Vietnam Conflict
many of us in my high school did not stand for the pledge.
Star Member 3catwoman3 (18,714 posts)
17. "Do Republicans have an authoritarian fetish about the Pledge?"
What don’t Republicans have an authoritarian fetish about?
And, how many Republicans do you think know that Francis Bellamy, the author of the Pledge, described himself as a Christian socialist.
While we’re at it, how many know that the words “under God” weren’t added until 1954?
I don’t know how long it has been since I last recited it. A long time, most likely. I finished high school in 1969, and once you are out of school, there are not that many situations that require it. Probably a few instance during the 4 years I was on active duty in the Air Force nurse corps from 1976-1980. Most recent opportunity might have been a meeting of my county’s Democratic Party, and I haven’t been to one of those since COVID.
I leave out the under god part.
Star Member DFW (45,327 posts)
19. Would I be allowed to recite this version of the pledge?
I pledge no credence to the bag
Of lies Fox tells to America
And to the injustice, for which it stands,
One station, shunned by God, indefensible,
With Hannity, disgusting for all.
:whatever:
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Calvin is a seven year old first grader, and also a comic strip character. What is DU's excuse?
BTW lurkers, I get to recite it every day I go to work. Go Texas schools.
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They don’t want to say the pledge of allegiance but they can quote whole passages of The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kamph word for word.
Leftists are so special!
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Is it just me, but do Republicans have an authoritarian fetish about the Pledge?
You morons are in no position to talk about an authoritarian fetish when you are looking to restrict interstate travel and medical attention to anyone who has not gotten their jab of allegiance to the almighty brandon administration.
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Calvin is a seven year old first grader, and also a comic strip character. What is DU's excuse?
BTW lurkers, I get to recite it every day I go to work. Go Texas schools.
yes, Calvin is a first grade cartoon.
What is this moron who happens to be a Los Angeles city councilman's excuse:
https://nypost.com/2021/01/27/la-councilman-flubs-pledge-of-allegiance-gets-roasted/ (https://nypost.com/2021/01/27/la-councilman-flubs-pledge-of-allegiance-gets-roasted/)
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Star Member frogmarch (11,294 posts)
7. 1954, when "under God" was added.
I was in the 4th grade and a budding atheist. To avoid getting slapped around by my teacher, I stood for the Pledge and hand over heart, recited all but "under God."
uh huh... a 4th grader contemplating and rejecting God... you know, stuff that is on the mind of all 4th graders.
These people are all so full of s***, it makes me sick sometimes just listening to their signalling
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It's probably on the order of 5 decades. OTOT, I never sang the "Star Spangled Banner" in high school, even though I went to every home football game ... :-) ... it's hard to sing and play the flute at the same time. The most recent time I sang the "Star Spangled Banner" was, IIRC, last October, at the Belmont Water Dog Run where I did the 10K distance.
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Last night.
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uh huh... a 4th grader contemplating and rejecting God... you know, stuff that is on the mind of all 4th graders.
These people are all so full of s***, it makes me sick sometimes just listening to their signalling
I had a similar thought with this one...
LoisB (2,108 posts)
8. I haven't said it since I realized that line about "with liberty and justice for all" did not apply
to me. So maybe since I was about 12.
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They don’t want to say the pledge of allegiance but they can quote whole passages of The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kamph word for word.
Leftists are so special!
Leftists are so special!
Yes indeed they are. In fact I have a feeling that there is even a *special* place reserved for most of them in hell as well!
~ ABC
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2. I pledged allegiance to the Constitution when I was inducted into the military in the early '70s...
I haven't repeated the pledge since, and I've no intention of ever repeating it.
The way I figure it, once you pledge yourself to something, if you truly mean it, you need never do it again. In fact, to do so -- to engage in a "doctrine of continual reaffirmation" -- makes a mockery of the original vow, as only a meaningless pledge needs constant updating.
A few weeks ago at Mass there was a couple who had just reached their golden wedding anniversary - at the end they came up, renewed their wedding vows and got a blessing from the Priest. I guess that they were just 'making a mockery' of the life that they've lived together for the past half century...