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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: FaC on November 07, 2021, 08:21:06 AM
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216026787
Star Member Tomconroy (2,169 posts)
Biden Backs Payments to Families Separated at the Border!
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-backs-payment-families-separated-161727420.html
Our President has more courage than some.
Cheers for Brandon - he supports payments...
1) Poking the hive...
forthemiddle (1,118 posts)
2. I don't see this as a winning campaign issue
Even if the payments are less than $450,000, how do we convince the American public that paying someone for crossing our borders illegally is a good thing?
It already created backlash right here on DU when it was introduced last week. I don’t think we gain anything by trying to blame it on TFG, the voters just won’t buy it. I hope I’m proven wrong.
Germany weighs in...
DFW (44,557 posts)
3. They would not be paying people for having crossed the border illegally
They would be compensating them for illegal, cruel and inhumane treatment after they were apprehended, which should not be encouraged at all, either at our borders, or anywhere within our borders.
forthemiddle is making sense...
forthemiddle (1,118 posts)
4. That's my point
Do you really believe the average voter is going to see that nuance?
No they are going to see the ads saying “Cross the border illegally, and the President (who happens to be a Democrat) will pay you $450,000.”
I’ve already seen the talking points, and if we can actually turn the narrative, great, but I don’t see how it happens.
Right or wrong, they were treated inhumanly because they crossed the border illegally in the first place.
We can never forget that in 2016 , one of the biggest election issues, was the border. We all remember how that turned out.
Star Member Devil Child (2,468 posts)
13. I was happier the other week when Biden opposed payouts
2) But reparations...
jimfields33 (7,778 posts)
6. 450,000 per person is not a good strategy
African Americans were treated disgraceful and have gotten nothing.
Star Member OnDoutside (18,172 posts)
11. So never compensate ?
UncleTomsEvilBrother (870 posts)
17. Sure...
...along with African Americans.
bikernks (3 posts)
21. and Native Americans
and Asian Americans...
UncleTomsEvilBrother (870 posts)
18. This decision will siphon...
...votes from the base - African Americans, who are becoming more and more galvanized regarding reparations.
3) Brandon flip flops...
Star Member SergeStorms (13,086 posts)
9. Didn't Biden deny this at a press conference...
earlier in the week? I saw it with my own eyes.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but just be consistent with what you're telling the American people. The media will be branding Joe as a liar. Of course he'll never be in TFG's class when it comes to that. If TFG opened his mouth you could safely wager a lie was about to emerge.
Brandon demonstrates that he is on top of his game.
MichMan (5,572 posts)
14. President Biden is on tape calling it garbage after being asked about it
Looks like no one in the administration told him anything about it.
They tried to walk back his statement the next day by saying he supports it, but only meant that the amount won't be $450k.
The RW is claiming then that it therefore could be $440k or even $475k , since neither is $450k.
MichMan (5,572 posts)
16. Administration looked like fools on this issue
DOJ (or someone) leaks a news story about separated migrant parents & children given very large cash payments of $450k each. A few days later when asked about it, President Biden calls it garbage and states on TV that it absolutely isn't true.
ACLU releases a statement that it is indeed being worked on.
Next day, the administration releases their statement that they really are considering implementing that very same thing, but with the actual amount given being still unknown.
Makes President Biden look like he isn't even aware of what is going on, or that he just lied about it, which only feeds the RW agitators. Why the hell nobody briefed him about it is inept IMO.
Now the RW has video of the President calling something garbage that the administration now says they are planning on doing. They are going to have a field day with that clip.
The DUmmies are twisting themselves into pretzels (nothing new, just another example)...
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16. Administration looked like fools on this issue
Just on this issue?
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There was a thread over there where they were praising Biden for putting that dumb ass Peter Doocy in his place. It was a BIG deal! They were so proud of Brandon!
KC
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)Sun Nov 7, 2021, 07:24 AM
Star Member OnDoutside (18,172 posts)
1. And that's the right thing to do, BUT
Democrats need to be laying the groundwork NOW to paint the picture of what Trump and the Republicans did was close to genocide. Otherwise, they'll do it to the democrats
They try selling the idea that 1/6 was a deadly armed insurrection and Trump administration border policies amounted to kidnap, torture, and now genocide. Leftists are not to be taken seriously.
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forthemiddle (1,118 posts)
2. I don't see this as a winning campaign issue
Even if the payments are less than $450,000, how do we convince the American public that paying someone for crossing our borders illegally is a good thing?
It already created backlash right here on DU when it was introduced last week. I don’t think we gain anything by trying to blame it on TFG, the voters just won’t buy it. I hope I’m proven wrong.
MIRT Alert! MIRT Alert!! MIRT Alert!!!
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Response to MichMan (Reply #10)
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 08:23 AM
Star Member DFW (44,557 posts)
19. They won't hear that except from Republicans
They sure won't be hearing it from large numbers of their contemporaries, because they will have a hard time locating people who got $450,000. They will be rather difficult to locate, I suspect. They are far more likely to encounter their neighbor who sold his last possessions to try to cross the border and returned home penniless and in debt to the coyotes who unsuccessfully tried to get them across the first time.
Marc you are a ****ing idiot.
These people are already convinced that they will be welcomed in with open arms at the border.
They are not aware of reality.
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A Mexican entrepreneur will take their million dollar payout and finance a couple dozen border crossers as long as they agree to a 70%-30% split on future ‘earned’ revenue.
KC
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so basically the main complaint is that the government separated families when the adults (maybe parents or maybe adults posing as the parents of the children) in the family were caught breaking the law (illegally crossing the border).
How is this different from a parent who is driving under the influence with a child in the car, is pulled over by Law Enforcement and arrested for DUI. The parent is separated from the child at that point and sent to jail. Why are there no cries for big payouts for the "pain and suffering" caused when Law Enforcement separates a parent who is arrested for committing a crime from their children?
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so basically the main complaint is that the government separated families when the adults (maybe parents or maybe adults posing as the parents of the children) in the family were caught breaking the law (illegally crossing the border).
How is this different from a parent who is driving under the influence with a child in the car, is pulled over by Law Enforcement and arrested for DUI. The parent is separated from the child at that point and sent to jail. Why are there no cries for big payouts for the "pain and suffering" caused when Law Enforcement separates a parent who is arrested for committing a crime from their children?
Stay tuned. That's coming as well.
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When US citizens are detained or arrested for doing something illegal they don't get to take their kids to jail/detention with them. If there's no relatives to take the kids then CPS takes them.
Shouldn't these parents also be compensated?
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A Mexican entrepreneur will take their million dollar payout and finance a couple dozen border crossers as long as they agree to a 70%-30% split on future ‘earned’ revenue.
KC
Just think of what they have planned when they need to prove that 'abuse' happened. Some Mexican kids are going to get beaten to death. Sad that liberals are too stupid to see this.
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Are all the children and parents who were separated during the Obama years exempted from receiving payouts?
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Star Member LenaBaby61 (5,055 posts)
35. He may have more courage, but let this issue fool around and LOSE him the black vote.
I'm seeing African-Americans on social media so angry, that they're saying "IF he gives them all that money, let them vote for him."
The GQP will be running with this, and tell African-American's "Look at that your president's doing to you. he loves illegal aliens more than you." Yeah, like they can talk with their racist selves who won't vote for a voting rights bill at this very moment. I'll never fall for GQP US Taliban Party tricks, but the whole optics of this is horrible. Many African-Americans are screaming for reparations, and as many have said, what about Native Americans who are still on reservations and who are being kept from voting ONLY because they have P.O Box numbers, and No home addresses. What the hell .... Youngkin's kid tried to vote 2 times, which means he knew what the hell he was doing--he's white of course, so he can do whatever he wants to--yet Native Americans can't vote period because the have PO Boxes and no home address?
This is great. Campaign spots will just write themselves:
1) Brandon is flip flopping like a fish out of water.
2) Brandon is out of touch and has no idea what is going on in the executive branch
3) Brandon has just started the next push northward to the border
4) Brandon is ignoring the African Americans and the Native Americans to favor illegal aliens
More speaking truth to DUmmies:
Star Member SMC22307 (7,731 posts)
38. This will ****ing kill us in the midterms.
Doesn't matter how many lovely new roads are put down or bridges repaired, this will kill us.
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Star Member SMC22307 (7,731 posts)
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Doesn't matter how many lovely new roads are put down or bridges repaired, this will kill us.
::) In what perpendicular universe will that happen? ::)
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DFW (44,557 posts)
3. They would not be paying people for having crossed the border illegally
They would be compensating them for illegal, cruel and inhumane treatment after they were apprehended, which should not be encouraged at all, either at our borders, or anywhere within our borders.
When US citizens are detained or arrested for doing something illegal they don't get to take their kids to jail/detention with them. If there's no relatives to take the kids then CPS takes them.
Shouldn't these parents also be compensated?
So what about the families of the Jan 6th protesters? The ones that haven't seen their loved ones in months?