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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on October 30, 2021, 03:06:58 PM
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Star Member Baitball Blogger (39,601 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215994292
So, if Hannah Gutierrez Reed did not put the bullet in the prop gun, how did live ammo get in the gun?
Her lawyer has come up with a statement, contradicting all the info alleging an unsafe set.
This is turning into a Murder she Wrote.
Two things I can be sure of: Alec Baldwin did not put the live round in the gun, but he will ultimately pay the cost for the accident because he was the producer.
I really would hate to see this result in a judgment decided on the circumstantial evidence from testimonials of what people saw that would suggest an unsafe set.
I think it's important to find out who put the live round in the gun to determine if there was something more premeditated that happened. Since Alec Baldwin is a high profile person, supporting Leftie causes, it's important to rule out the possibility that the Right created this situation to destroy him.
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Star Member Sur Zobra (3,337 posts)
31. I don't trust the DA
In this case she and the SF County Sheriff are the lead investigators, but in another case in which she and the SF Police Department were involved, they ignored evidence and tried the wrong guy with murder; the jury saw that that the wrong guy was charged and found him not guilty, fortunately.
Shanti Shanti Shanti (10,815 posts)
88. She says, producers overruled her safety requests
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/10/Hannah-Gutierrez-Reed2.jpg)
Effete Snob (1,234 posts)
4. "the possibility that the Right created this situation to destroy him"
That would be pretty far fetched. Putting a live round into a prop gun in the hope that the gun will be pointed at a person when someone pulls the trigger is banking on pretty slim odds.
Answering the various questions is why we have investigators, courts and juries.
Star Member Kablooie (17,166 posts)
20. The crew could have known what the next shot was.
After lunch they would shoot a scene where Balswin aims the gun at the camera.
The camera was to look down the barrel of the gun.
This could have been in the script so many would know what was next.
During lunch the bullet could have been switched.
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Thomas Hurt (10,776 posts)
7. What I have been hearing from the "experts" such as they are, on cable news...
is that there should been no real live rounds on the set at all. The person responsible for that is this Reed woman.
The experts also talked about how the Asst Director should be allowing anyone on the set a chance to examine the gun.
Did Baldwin take the time to check the gun himself? I don't remember seeing anything about that.
Star Member BlackSkimmer (42,312 posts)
40. Baldwin should have checked the gun too.
Never mind that he shouldn’t have aimed it in the direction of people.
Every experienced armorer, many whose comments have been posted here, say that experienced actors check the gun. And they know not to point it at people.
Star Member orleans (29,352 posts)
103. the early tv reports said people on the set would have target practice and that was why live ammo
was around
it sounded crazy to me; bored, on break, let's go shoot some guns!
Star Member Irish_Dem (17,855 posts)
104. Yes I read that. Only in America would this be encouraged.
Recreational use of prop guns with live ammo.
:whatever: :whatever:
Star Member Roisin Ni Fiachra (1,738 posts)
13. My guess is a wacko TFG worshiping Qnut put it there.
Fits the profile.
::)
Fullduplexxx (5,227 posts)
26. So disgruntled magat who didnt appreciate his impression of the
Twice-impeached one-termer
Star Member sarisataka (12,805 posts)
51. From what I have read
(Which changes multiple times daily) and heard from NPR interviews with people who work in the film industry-
-Hutchins and the director were setting up the shot. During the filming they would move to a station that allows them to work the camera remotely out of the line of fire
-a bullet resistant sheet of plexiglass would be set in front of the camera to protect it from expelled gasses or inadvertent projectiles
-the set would be cleared of people in every direction the firearm will be pointing for that shot.
-it was a rehearsal shot, not a print so NOTHING should have been in the gun.
There are the rules to gun handling but in rare cases there are exceptions. Movie filming is one of the exceptions but other rules are then purpose into place of the standard rules. Those are the rules that were not followed.
This is a very big sandwich with lots of room for many people to take bites. Who gets to eat the majority is still under investigation. At this point I neither condemn nor absolve Baldwin.
Many facts are still unclear and too many "facts" are what someone's-friend's-cousin's-sister-heard-on-TV-from-a-reporter-that-inverviewed-a-person-who-was-once-in-a-play.
Klaralven (6,337 posts)
54. Alec Baldwin was practicing drawing gun when it discharged
Alec Baldwin was practicing drawing his gun across his body and pointing it at the camera when it went off, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, according to an affidavit released on Sunday, Reuters reported.
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/578243-alec-baldwin-was-practicing-drawing-gun-when-it-discharged
It sounds like he was goofing off on his own initiative uncoordinated with the crew.
:yawn:
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Since Alec Baldwin is a high profile person, supporting Leftie causes, it's important to rule out the possibility that the Right created this situation to destroy him.
Russian collusion. Putin arranged it because he was mad at Alec Baldwin for mocking his buddy President Trump on the Saturday Night Live TV show.
They believed that Trump hired Russian hookers to pee on a bed that Obama had slept in, they'll believe anything.
Blue Anon.
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Piecing together what I've read from supposed crew member comments (annoymorous, of course):
* HGR was on just her second movie as Armorer, scant experience;
* Neither guns used as props nor ammo - real and blanks - were properly secured;
* Crew members had been slightly offsite "plinking" with that gun just hours before the rehearsal in which the cinematographer was shot;
* Normal Hollyweird procedure is for the Armorer to load props with blanks or real ammo or nothing, as required for a scene; the First Assistant Director then inspects the gun, and tells the actor using it whether it is "hot" (loaded with something) or "cold"; actors rely on that double control;
* The First Assistant Director told Baldwin the gun was "cold".
In the direct sense, the killing was attributable to the armorer and First Assistant Director not doing their jobs: HGR did not secure guns and ammo properly; HGR did not unload the gun immediately before the fatal rehearsal, but much earlier (my guess); the First Assistant Director did not check the gun, taking the Armorer's word for it that it was not loaded; the First Assistant Director told Baldwin incorrect information.
That does not mean Baldwin is off the hook, except, possibly, criminally. From a civil law POV: he knew HGR was inexperienced; he knew (or should have) that at her previous gig her handling/security had been sloppy; he knew there had been three accidents on the "Rust" set with guns used as props, but did not can HGR; he knew (or should have) that the First Assistant Director had a reputation for sloppiness concerning safety; he knew (or should have) that the crew had been messing around with guns and ammo used as props. Whether that degree of negligence is criminally prosecutable, I won't guess. But on the civil side he should be expending millions of $$ in legal expenses and judgments plus years in court.
Baldwin's Hollyweird career should be over, but I don't trust Hollyweird to give a @#$% about the moronicity of one of its darlings.
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Since Alec Baldwin is a high profile person, supporting Leftie causes, it's important to rule out the possibility that the Right created this situation to destroy him.
And yet, they accuse us us of having far-fetched conspiracy theories. :whatever:
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If it was a setup, it succeeded. so congrats all. F that guy.
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Roisin Ni Fiachra (1,738 posts)
13. My guess is a wacko TFG worshiping Qnut put it there.
Fits the profile.
Based on the established historical record of all that other shit that never happened.
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Has anyone at the DUmp bothered to check where President Trump (aka TFG) was the day of the shooting? Hmmmmmm?
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Has anyone at the DUmp bothered to check where President Trump (aka TFG) was the day of the shooting? Hmmmmmm?
This looks like a job for Steve "Laser" Haas, private prosecuting attorney... :rotf:
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Has anyone at the DUmp bothered to check where President Trump (aka TFG) was the day of the shooting? Hmmmmmm?
As I said on another post on this subject, Trump was on the set hiding in a grassy knoll. It's rather obvious.
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As I said on another post on this subject, Trump was on the set hiding in a grassy knoll. It's rather obvious.
Where is Abraham Zapruder and his trusty Bell and Howell 8mm when you really need him?
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I'm not a conspiracy nut. I think it was just AB being a careless jerk.
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Where is Abraham Zapruder and his trusty Bell and Howell 8mm when you really need him?
Here's the picture that proves it. They just didn't have time to green screen in the book depository and grassy knoll because Alec "jumped the gun".
(https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.pHzPuwwEkbmfjS3hNjUg0gHaEK&pid=Api)