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Title: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on August 29, 2008, 06:07:32 PM
 The video of Sarah Palin (McCains VP pick) shooting the machine gun had me sold on her in 3 seconds,and find me any file footage of Romney,Kaye bailey Hutchinson,Liebermann,Bob Doles wife or any other reasonable potential McCain VP PICK shooting a machine gun ? :cheersmate: 
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: dutch508 on August 29, 2008, 07:50:47 PM
While she was in Iraq the troops showed her how to use an M4 with a CCO.

Her Dad took her hunting when she was a girl, and she still hunts, AND belongs tot eh NRA.


Oh...HELL YEAH!
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Airwolf on August 29, 2008, 08:05:34 PM
Any woman that hunted in Alaska two hours before school started is probably alot smarter then 99% of the Democratic Party and might kick their collective asses too.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: tuolumnejim on August 30, 2008, 12:55:23 AM
While she was in Iraq the troops showed her how to use an M4 with a CCO.

Her Dad took her hunting when she was a girl, and she still hunts, AND belongs tot eh NRA.


Oh...HELL YEAH!
She needs to give me a call, I'm peddling Killflashes for those at the moment.  :-)
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Rebel on August 30, 2008, 01:25:11 AM
Don, I hate to break it to you, but an M-4 isn't a "Machine Gun".  :whatever:
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on August 30, 2008, 12:58:48 PM
Don, I hate to break it to you, but an M-4 isn't a "Machine Gun".  :whatever:
It's Selective fire and it shoots a Rifle round (So that puts it out of the Machine Pistol category) and if the Marines use them in Iraq and Afghanistan it's Machine Gun enough for me)
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Rebel on August 30, 2008, 01:21:02 PM
Don, I hate to break it to you, but an M-4 isn't a "Machine Gun".  :whatever:
It's Selective fire and it shoots a Rifle round (So that puts it out of the Machine Pistol category) and if the Marines use them in Iraq and Afghanistan it's Machine Gun enough for me)



...and you would be wrong. A .50 Cal is a machine gun. An M-240 is a machine gun. An M-4 or M-16 is not.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on August 30, 2008, 01:28:18 PM
 So Beat on me and say Sh*t about me and my Mother like HotAirwolf and his little hinchmen ... (It's an Automatic carbine in your books then ? (If you get caught with an M4 the News will say you had a machine gun) as will the Leos 
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Rebel on August 30, 2008, 01:42:16 PM
So Beat on me and say Sh*t about me and my Mother like HotAirwolf and his little hinchmen ... (It's an Automatic carbine in your books then ? (If you get caught with an M4 the News will say you had a machine gun) as will the Leos 

Because the news is comprised of a bunch of dumbasses. Also, you can't squeeze the trigger of an M-4 and burn off a mag, as opposed to, say, an M-60 with a belt. You could fire an M-60 until the barrel turned red. It's why you had another soldier on your team with a bag that contained an extra barrel.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on August 30, 2008, 02:31:09 PM
Only Sarah Palin can save us from the
coming zombie apacolypse!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/MrSnuggleBunny/mcgowan.jpg)
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Ptarmigan on August 31, 2008, 04:24:49 PM
Hopefully she didn't hunt ptarmigans.  :o
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Atomic Lib Smasher on August 31, 2008, 04:45:36 PM
Hopefully she didn't hunt ptarmigans.  :o


Nope. I think it was moose and deer and that sort of thing......... and rabbits. lol
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Ptarmigan on August 31, 2008, 06:08:04 PM


Nope. I think it was moose and deer and that sort of thing......... and rabbits. lol

She would be good for ptarmigans than. Anyways, many hunters I know say they are not interested in hunting ptarmigans to begin with. Most rather hunt for moose and elk because you get more meat than 20 ptarmigans. They don't understand why hunt a beautiful and cute bird. 
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: JohnMatrix on August 31, 2008, 08:33:44 PM
So Beat on me and say Sh*t about me and my Mother like HotAirwolf and his little hinchmen ... (It's an Automatic carbine in your books then ? (If you get caught with an M4 the News will say you had a machine gun) as will the Leos 

Because the news is comprised of a bunch of dumbasses. Also, you can't squeeze the trigger of an M-4 and burn off a mag, as opposed to, say, an M-60 with a belt. You could fire an M-60 until the barrel turned red. It's why you had another soldier on your team with a bag that contained an extra barrel.

what are you talking about?  the m4, like most assault weapons, is designed to be spray-fired from the hip.






/sarcasm
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: dutch508 on August 31, 2008, 09:06:34 PM
The video of Sarah Palin (McCains VP pick) shooting the machine gun had me sold on her in 3 seconds,and find me any file footage of Romney,Kaye bailey Hutchinson,Liebermann,Bob Doles wife or any other reasonable potential McCain VP PICK shooting a machine gun ? :cheersmate: 

Machine gun?

M4?

 :rotf:
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on August 31, 2008, 09:09:23 PM
The video of Sarah Palin (McCains VP pick) shooting the machine gun had me sold on her in 3 seconds,and find me any file footage of Romney,Kaye bailey Hutchinson,Liebermann,Bob Doles wife or any other reasonable potential McCain VP PICK shooting a machine gun ? :cheersmate: 

Machine gun?

M4?

 :rotf:     
Put it on FA and empty a 30 rounder and get back to me on if it's an MG ... :rotf:
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: rich_t on August 31, 2008, 09:11:28 PM
The M4 is not a machine gun Don.

It is a select fire assault rifle capable of firing a 3 round burst.  You ain't gonna burn up a 30 rounder with a single trigger pull.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: dutch508 on August 31, 2008, 09:13:21 PM
The video of Sarah Palin (McCains VP pick) shooting the machine gun had me sold on her in 3 seconds,and find me any file footage of Romney,Kaye bailey Hutchinson,Liebermann,Bob Doles wife or any other reasonable potential McCain VP PICK shooting a machine gun ? :cheersmate: 

Machine gun?

M4?

 :rotf:     
Put it on FA and empty a 30 rounder and get back to me on if it's an MG ... :rotf:

Hey, retard...carried one for 18 months in my last rotation to Iraq. It's not a machine gun.

Now stop being a ****ing idiot and go back to storm front.

Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on August 31, 2008, 09:15:54 PM
The video of Sarah Palin (McCains VP pick) shooting the machine gun had me sold on her in 3 seconds,and find me any file footage of Romney,Kaye bailey Hutchinson,Liebermann,Bob Doles wife or any other reasonable potential McCain VP PICK shooting a machine gun ? :cheersmate: 

Machine gun?

M4?
   
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: rich_t on August 31, 2008, 09:18:03 PM
The video of Sarah Palin (McCains VP pick) shooting the machine gun had me sold on her in 3 seconds,and find me any file footage of Romney,Kaye bailey Hutchinson,Liebermann,Bob Doles wife or any other reasonable potential McCain VP PICK shooting a machine gun ? :cheersmate: 

Machine gun?

M4?
    They let 5ft 6 148 lb. guys go to the Sand box  (They must be Desperate) Whats next Active Gang Bangers from central America via Akron Ohio ?  
Put it on FA and empty a 30 rounder and get back to me on if it's an MG ... :rotf:

Hey, retard...carried one for 18 months in my last rotation to Iraq. It's not a machine gun.

Now stop being a ******* idiot and go back to storm front.



Psssttt.....  They even let shorter and lighter women go to Iraq.

Why don't you just admit that you are wrong about the M4 being a MG and move on?
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on August 31, 2008, 09:19:11 PM
The video of Sarah Palin (McCains VP pick) shooting the machine gun had me sold on her in 3 seconds,and find me any file footage of Romney,Kaye bailey Hutchinson,Liebermann,Bob Doles wife or any other reasonable potential McCain VP PICK shooting a machine gun ? :cheersmate: 

Machine gun?

M4?

 :rotf:     
Put it on FA and empty a 30 rounder and get back to me on if it's an MG ... :rotf:

Hey, retard...carried one for 18 months in my last rotation to Iraq. It's not a machine gun.

Now stop being a ******* idiot and go back to storm front.


They would not let you use a SAW  then (Hmmmm 5FT.6 144 LB GUYS  get M4's in your Sand box adventure there Scooter ?
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: dutch508 on August 31, 2008, 09:22:03 PM
You know...I am gonna let that go because you don't know me.

I will highly recommend you stop that line of stupidity.

http://maciraq.blogspot.com/2006/01/two-and-wake-up.html
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on August 31, 2008, 10:26:14 PM
You know...I am gonna let that go because you don't know me.

I will highly recommend you stop that line of stupidity.

http://maciraq.blogspot.com/2006/01/two-and-wake-up.html
Dont let it go ,Chew on it and swallow it there Hero ...
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: rich_t on August 31, 2008, 10:27:34 PM
Don,

Why don't you just admit that you are wrong about the M4 being a MG and move on?
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on August 31, 2008, 10:29:08 PM
Don,

Why don't you just admit that you are wrong about the M4 being a MG and move on?
Because I'm not sure it's an M4 ... LOL...
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: rich_t on August 31, 2008, 10:33:39 PM
Don,

Why don't you just admit that you are wrong about the M4 being a MG and move on?
Because I'm not sure it's an M4 ... LOL...

Then you shouldn't have used M4 (machinegun) in the title when you started this thread.  :-)

If you find a link to the video, post it and we will be able to tell you very quickly if it was an M4 or not.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: rich_t on August 31, 2008, 10:38:21 PM
If this is the video to which you refer, it appears to be an M4 simulator.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7UzxXv8p4[/youtube]
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on August 31, 2008, 10:41:58 PM
 You sure it's not a reworked XM 177E2 modded to use in the simulater because M4's are and their newer cousins are needed elsewhere   
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: rich_t on August 31, 2008, 10:56:33 PM
You sure it's not a reworked XM 177E2 modded to use in the simulater because M4's are and their newer cousins are needed elsewhere   

Dude...  It's a simulator.. not a real M-4.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: dutch508 on September 01, 2008, 10:05:28 AM
It's called an EST-2000.

It can be used to simulate all wepaons systems from M9s to MK-19s.

You are ****ing pathetic.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Airwolf on September 01, 2008, 12:52:09 PM
You sure it's not a reworked XM 177E2 modded to use in the simulater because M4's are and their newer cousins are needed elsewhere   

Dude...  It's a simulator.. not a real M-4.

FFS the military hasn't used or had XM 177E2s in the inventory for over 20 years. It's an M-4. The barrel alone is the giveaway. An XM-177E2 had an 11 Inch barrel the M-4 has a 14 inch barrel and the profile for it is completly different.

XM-177E2

(http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/imgs/coltcommando.jpg)

M-4

(http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7867/bcwa1f16m4my5.jpg)

Not to mention the upper recievers are different.

Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: NHSparky on September 01, 2008, 12:57:42 PM
Dayum...I'm Navy and even I knew that.  Lay down, Don...just stay down.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 01, 2008, 02:04:26 PM
Dayum...I'm Navy and even I knew that.  Lay down, Don...just stay down.
  Two Classroom days ,a Dry fire day and one or two days with a .22 conversion at the range and you knew that ? (I'm really impressed)
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Airwolf on September 01, 2008, 03:13:17 PM
Dayum...I'm Navy and even I knew that.  Lay down, Don...just stay down.

It's impossible. Teh stupid has a death grip on what's left of the two brain cells he shares with the cat next door.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: dutch508 on September 01, 2008, 06:14:38 PM
He's an idiot.
He insults soldiers.
He's tip-toe'd around numerous threads spouting hate rants.


Why is he still here?
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Rebel on September 01, 2008, 06:17:59 PM
He's an idiot.
He insults soldiers.
He's tip-toe'd around numerous threads spouting hate rants.


Why is he still here?

I haven't seen him insult soldiers, Major. :confused:
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: dutch508 on September 01, 2008, 09:02:39 PM
He's an idiot.
He insults soldiers.
He's tip-toe'd around numerous threads spouting hate rants.


Why is he still here?

I haven't seen him insult soldiers, Major. :confused:

Then you are blind.

Quote
They let 5ft 6 148 lb. guys go to the Sand box  (They must be Desperate) Whats next Active Gang Bangers from central America via Akron Ohio ?

 Two Classroom days ,a Dry fire day and one or two days with a .22 conversion at the range and you knew that ? (I'm really impressed)

Dont let it go ,Chew on it and swallow it there Hero ...
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: TheSarge on September 01, 2008, 09:40:23 PM
Ahhh yes...it's finally happening.

Don's is letting his inner ****-tard loose on CC.


Watch your inbox folks...next he'll start threatening you like he did VetWife at TOS.


Dipshit owes Schade an apology...
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 01, 2008, 10:00:15 PM
Ahhh yes...it's finally happening.

Don's is letting his inner ****-tard loose on CC.


Watch your inbox folks...next he'll start threatening you like he did VetWife at TOS.


Dipshit owes Schade an apology...
She warned me about you guys  and Vetwife can get F****D  It's always know it all macho men who BECOME Snarky and angry when other posters get stoopid ... and it's the Internet so if someone thinks a Percieved hero status insulates them from Retorts they need to think about it more often ?
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: rich_t on September 01, 2008, 10:16:14 PM
Ahhh yes...it's finally happening.

Don's is letting his inner ****-tard loose on CC.


Watch your inbox folks...next he'll start threatening you like he did VetWife at TOS.


Dipshit owes Schade an apology...
She warned me about you guys  and Vetwife can get F****D  It's always know it all macho men who BECOME Snarky and angry when other posters get stoopid ... and it's the Internet so if someone thinks a Percieved hero status insulates them from Retorts they need to think about it more often ?

We've already established that you don't know jack shit about the M-4 not being a MG, or at least lack the integrity to admit it when you are wrong at a minimum. 

Don't get pissed off when you get corrected by folks that know more about an issue than you do.

It shows a lack of maturity when you do.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: NHSparky on September 02, 2008, 06:43:12 AM
Dayum...I'm Navy and even I knew that.  Lay down, Don...just stay down.
  Two Classroom days ,a Dry fire day and one or two days with a .22 conversion at the range and you knew that ? (I'm really impressed)

That was Boot Camp, Scooter.  Try going to Shipboard Defensive School sometime.  Hell, the TM's on my first boat managed to get a thump gun for the Small Arms Locker.

And FWIW, we had mostly M16A2's, .45's/9mm's, and 12-gauges, but we got to play with other stuff too.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: TheSarge on September 02, 2008, 09:13:52 AM


 She warned me about you guys  and Vetwife can get F****D  It's always know it all macho men who BECOME Snarky and angry when other posters get stoopid ... and it's the Internet so if someone thinks a Percieved hero status insulates them from Retorts they need to think about it more often ?

We already knew about you jackass.

Check the screen name.  Somewhere in your drug addled mind does it ring a bell from ConservativeUnderground?

You threatened a very nice lady you ****stick.  Insinuated you were gonna SHOOT HER.

You're lucky someone didn't take that crap to the cops.

We decided to give you the benefit of the doubt about your past troll behavior.

And true to form you proved us right.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on September 02, 2008, 09:27:08 AM
Don, I hate to break it to you, but an M-4 isn't a "Machine Gun".  :whatever:
It's Selective fire and it shoots a Rifle round (So that puts it out of the Machine Pistol category) and if the Marines use them in Iraq and Afghanistan it's Machine Gun enough for me)



...and you would be wrong. A .50 Cal is a machine gun. An M-240 is a machine gun. An M-4 or M-16 is not.

Yeah, get caught holding one with no machinegun paperwork at your home, and then try that argument with the ATFE.  Let me know how it works for ya.

 :mental:
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 09:54:25 AM


 She warned me about you guys  and Vetwife can get F****D  It's always know it all macho men who BECOME Snarky and angry when other posters get stoopid ... and it's the Internet so if someone thinks a Percieved hero status insulates them from Retorts they need to think about it more often ?

We already knew about you jackass.

Check the screen name.  Somewhere in your drug addled mind does it ring a bell from ConservativeUnderground?

You threatened a very nice lady you ****stick.  Insinuated you were gonna SHOOT HER.

You're lucky someone didn't take that crap to the cops.

We decided to give you the benefit of the doubt about your past troll behavior.

And true to form you proved us right.
I did not threaten to shoot her it was her Husband !(She could not fight her own interwebz battle so she got her husband all in a Rile and he said he was catching a Plane to Chico and driving up to Oak Run to "Get Me" so naturally I said"Come  on in"  my door will be open,  if you know what that means I dont' threaten to shoot women ,just their Husbands who come off as "Real Killers" .... Post the transcript Troll 
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Rebel on September 02, 2008, 10:05:34 AM
Yeah, get caught holding one with no machinegun paperwork at your home, and then try that argument with the ATFE.  Let me know how it works for ya.

 :mental:

It's not illegal to own a Carb 15 or an AR-15 SP1. Or was this directed at me?
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 10:09:59 AM
 A selective fire M4 WILL GET ANYONE WITHOUT NFA up to date permit and current liscense fees paid up a Felony (And in Ca. an AR 15 with PG & Detachable mags withot Ca. AW PAPERWORK WILL GET YOU A Misdomeaner and confiscation... 
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 10:13:11 AM
Yeah, get caught holding one with no machinegun paperwork at your home, and then try that argument with the ATFE.  Let me know how it works for ya.

 :mental:

It's not illegal to own a Carb 15 or an AR-15 SP1. Or was this directed at me?
Carb 15 ? I drank one of those in a Chicago health food store once !
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Rebel on September 02, 2008, 10:20:57 AM
A selective fire M4 WILL GET ANYONE WITHOUT NFA up to date permit and current liscense fees paid up a Felony (And in Ca. an AR 15 with PG & Detachable mags withot Ca. AW PAPERWORK WILL GET YOU A Misdomeaner and confiscation... 

Well, a CARB 15, I.e.,

http://www.impactguns.com/store/855756001012.html

is perfectly legal in MISSISSIPPI and GEORGIA. Don't really give a rat's ass what it is in Communist United States. I'll never live there anyway.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 10:30:35 AM
 THE NFA applies to all States & territories (Including the Confederacy) :rotf:
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on September 02, 2008, 10:57:29 AM
Yeah, get caught holding one with no machinegun paperwork at your home, and then try that argument with the ATFE.  Let me know how it works for ya.

 :mental:

It's not illegal to own a Carb 15 or an AR-15 SP1. Or was this directed at me?

Rebel, it was directed at your comment about the M4 and M16 not being machineguns, which was in the quote box in my post, and which made no referense whatsoever to AR 15 variants or the other toys discussed down the thread.  The military nomenclature doesn't really mean Jack if they are defined as machineguns by law and you get caught with one that has no papers, the Federal District Judge is going to focus on whether it quacks like a duck, not whether it answers to "Duck" for a name.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 11:06:42 AM
Yeah, get caught holding one with no machinegun paperwork at your home, and then try that argument with the ATFE.  Let me know how it works for ya.

 :mental:

It's not illegal to own a Carb 15 or an AR-15 SP1. Or was this directed at me?

Rebel, it was directed at your comment about the M4 and M16 not being machineguns, which was in the quote box in my post, and which made no referense whatsoever to AR 15 variants or the other toys discussed down the thread.  The military nomenclature doesn't really mean Jack if they are defined as machineguns by law and you get caught with one that has no papers, the Federal District Judge is going to focus on whether it quacks like a duck, not whether it answers to "Duck" for a name.
Ditto !
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Rebel on September 02, 2008, 11:21:36 AM
THE NFA applies to all States & territories (Including the Confederacy) :rotf:

Well, I bought a Carb 15 about 10 years ago from an off-duty cop at a gun show. Guess they're not that illegal. Not to mention, they're on sale all day long at many pawn shops and other firearms dealers. Same with AR-15's.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 11:23:54 AM
THE NFA applies to all States & territories (Including the Confederacy) :rotf:

Well, I bought a Carb 15 about 10 years ago from an off-duty cop at a gun show. Guess they're not that illegal. Not to mention, they're on sale all day long at many pawn shops and other firearms dealers. Same with AR-15's.
What part of "Selective Fire" did you miss ?
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Rebel on September 02, 2008, 11:32:14 AM
Rebel, it was directed at your comment about the M4 and M16 not being machineguns, which was in the quote box in my post, and which made no referense whatsoever to AR 15 variants or the other toys discussed down the thread.  The military nomenclature doesn't really mean Jack if they are defined as machineguns by law and you get caught with one that has no papers, the Federal District Judge is going to focus on whether it quacks like a duck, not whether it answers to "Duck" for a name.

Well sir, maybe someone needs to head to Benning, Jackson, Knox, Leonard Wood, and pretty much everywhere in the country with a range and tell them that an M-16 is now a "machine gun". I could care less about what the "law" says, as it wasn't my point.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 11:37:40 AM
Rebel, it was directed at your comment about the M4 and M16 not being machineguns, which was in the quote box in my post, and which made no referense whatsoever to AR 15 variants or the other toys discussed down the thread.  The military nomenclature doesn't really mean Jack if they are defined as machineguns by law and you get caught with one that has no papers, the Federal District Judge is going to focus on whether it quacks like a duck, not whether it answers to "Duck" for a name.

Well sir, maybe someone needs to head to Benning, Jackson, Knox, Leonard Wood, and pretty much everywhere in the country with a range and tell them that an M-16 is now a "machine gun". I could care less about what the "law" says, as it wasn't my point.
at any range you will find Semi-Auto AR15's and their Clones but a Selective Fire/3 Round burst/FA M 16variant will get you arrested (If your not leagaly in posestion of said Full auto weapon) and by leagle 9I do not mean I bought it off a Bikers shoulder at a Gun show 10 years ago (And they wanted me to  Lay down in this thread SHEESH ....)   
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: TheSarge on September 02, 2008, 11:41:29 AM
Ok for the slow blinkers and head trauma patients this is a quick reminder:



Assault Rifle:
(http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7867/bcwa1f16m4my5.jpg)




Machine Gun:

(http://rjraimo.com/files/m240b-3.jpg)


(http://www.fnmfg.com/products/m249fam/M249%20SAW%20949x451.jpg)

Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Rebel on September 02, 2008, 11:42:40 AM
Is she around the military in that photo? Or on the block in Alaska? Around the military? Ok, now go ask the military if an M-4 is a "machine gun".
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 11:44:38 AM
 Any Court in USA (selective FIRE M4/ MODDED AR VARIANT/ M16 Clone / Baby Armalite/ M16 Pistol creation... is a Machine Gun ) the Judge wins
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: TheSarge on September 02, 2008, 11:45:10 AM
Is she around the military in that photo? Or on the block in Alaska? Around the military? Ok, now go ask the military if an M-4 is a "machine gun".

Ooooh ooooh picke me PICKE ME!

I'm an active duty Staff Sergeant.

I can answer that question. :-)
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 11:48:02 AM
Is she around the military in that photo? Or on the block in Alaska? Around the military? Ok, now go ask the military if an M-4 is a "machine gun".

Ooooh ooooh picke me PICKE ME!

I'm an active duty Staff Sergeant.

I can answer that question. :-)  You should know about Civilian DA's & Judges (Especially Anti-2A ones and how they consider full auto or selective Rate of fire  AW's
Machine guns ...
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: TheSarge on September 02, 2008, 11:48:33 AM
Any Court in USA (selective FIRE M4/ MODDED AR VARIANT/ M16 Clone / Baby Armalite/ M16 Pistol creation... is a Machine Gun ) the Judge wins

Sorry dipshit.  you lose.

Any of the AR-15's sold to civilians are assault rifles NOT machine guns.


The M4 Carbine....M-16A2,3,4 are NOT machine guns.


The M240B....M249 and M2 ad their variants ARE however classified as machineguns.

Quit now before you get embarrassed any further.


Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Rebel on September 02, 2008, 11:49:04 AM
Any Court in USA (selective FIRE M4/ MODDED AR VARIANT/ M16 Clone / Baby Armalite/ M16 Pistol creation... is a Machine Gun ) the Judge wins

Have you seen some of the firearms classified as "assault weapons" by the law? The law is full of a buncha ****ing morons and sorry, I tend to go by the US Military's definition over some paper-pushing attorneys.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: TheSarge on September 02, 2008, 11:50:13 AM


Have you seen some of the firearms classified as "assault weapons" by the law? The law is full of a buncha ******* morons and sorry, I tend to go by the experts definition over some paper-pushing attorneys.

Fixed
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 11:50:43 AM
Any Court in USA (selective FIRE M4/ MODDED AR VARIANT/ M16 Clone / Baby Armalite/ M16 Pistol creation... is a Machine Gun ) the Judge wins

Have you seen some of the firearms classified as "assault weapons" by the law? The law is full of a buncha ******* morons and sorry, I tend to go by the US Military's definition over some paper-pushing attorneys.
But we have to face Judges & DA's so use Civilian lingo with us ...
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: TheSarge on September 02, 2008, 11:57:36 AM
Definition of Machine Gun:

A machine gun is a fully-automatic mounted or portable firearm, usually designed to fire rifle cartridges in quick succession from an ammunition belt or large-capacity magazine, typically at a rate of several hundred rounds per minute. The first machine guns were manually operated, for example, by turning a hand crank.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_gun


Definition of Assault Rifle:

An assault rifle is a selective fire rifle or carbine (not to be confused with a semi-automatic only replica) firing ammunition with muzzle energies intermediate between those typical of pistol and high-powered rifle ammunition. Assault rifles are the standard small arms in most modern armies, having largely replaced or supplemented larger, more powerful battle rifles, such as the World War II-era M1 Garand and SVT-40. Examples of assault rifles include the AK-47, the M16 rifle, the FAMAS and the Steyr AUG. Semi-automatic rifles, including commercial versions of the AR-15, and "automatic" rifles limited to single fire only, even though incorrectly classified in the United States as assault rifles by the now defunct 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, are not assault rifles as they are not selective fire. Belt-fed weapons or rifles with fixed magazines are also generally not considered assault rifles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle



Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on September 02, 2008, 11:58:21 AM
Rebel, it was directed at your comment about the M4 and M16 not being machineguns, which was in the quote box in my post, and which made no referense whatsoever to AR 15 variants or the other toys discussed down the thread.  The military nomenclature doesn't really mean Jack if they are defined as machineguns by law and you get caught with one that has no papers, the Federal District Judge is going to focus on whether it quacks like a duck, not whether it answers to "Duck" for a name.

Well sir, maybe someone needs to head to Benning, Jackson, Knox, Leonard Wood, and pretty much everywhere in the country with a range and tell them that an M-16 is now a "machine gun". I could care less about what the "law" says, as it wasn't my point.

You can call it a Kazowie, it only makes you right in your own frame of reference.  Is it doctrinally a machinegun in military terms?  No.  Is it legally a machinegun?  Yes.  Are you behaving like a brain-damaged asshole yourself to call someone wrong in some cosmic sense for referring to it as a machinegun on a discussion board?  Unquestionably. 
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Rebel on September 02, 2008, 12:21:14 PM
You can call it a Kazowie, it only makes you right in your own frame of reference.  Is it doctrinally a machinegun in military terms?  No.  Is it legally a machinegun?  Yes.  Are you behaving like a brain-damaged asshole yourself to call someone wrong in some cosmic sense for referring to it as a machinegun on a discussion board?  Unquestionably. 

Funny how you're basically doing the same damn thing. Also funny how the law calls them "Assault Weapons", not machine guns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/faqs/?page=awb

BTW, from the Brady Campaign's website:

Quote
Q: What is the difference between an automatic and a semi-automatic weapon?

A: An automatic weapon (machine gun) will continue to fire as long as the trigger is depressed (or until the ammunition magazine is emptied). A semi-automatic weapon will fire one round and instantly load the next round with each pull of the trigger. Semi-automatic firearms fire as rapidly as you can twitch your finger. This means that a semi-automatic fires a little more slowly than an automatic, but not much more slowly. When San Jose, California police test-fired an UZI, a 30-round magazine was emptied in slightly less than two seconds on full automatic while the same magazine was emptied in just five seconds on semi-automatic.

Ownership of machine guns has been tightly controlled since passage of the National Firearms Act of 1934, and their manufacture for the civilian market was halted in 1986. However, semi-automatic versions of those same guns were still being produced until the federal assault weapons ban was enacted.

Thanks for playing.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 12:41:38 PM
To the Liberal Judges and News Media ASSUALT Weapons are Machine Guns ... You sure do livein a Conservative cave
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: dutch508 on September 02, 2008, 12:42:42 PM
You are using the Brady campaign to defend a weapon's issue?  :bs:


back to the point.

The image shown with Palin holding a weapon is a simulator. The weapon simulated is an M4. You can spend all day calling it a vibrator if you wish, no one in the military will agree with you.

The key to the definition of Machine Gun in the military comes down to crew served weapons. A Machine Gun is a crew served weapon. Even the M249, The Squad Automatic Weapon, is not called a Machine Gun, just as the BAR, Browning Automatic Weapon, was not called one.

The M249 is issued to an individual, not a crew. A M240 is a crew served weapon. The M2, The Browning .50 cal Heavy Machine Gun is a crew served weapon.

You could attempt to call the M4 a sub-machine gun, but then again, the definitions do not back your statement.
A SMG uses a pistol cartridge, rather than a rifle cartridge.

BUT- from your own arguement:

An automatic weapon (machine gun) will continue to fire as long as the trigger is depressed (or until the ammunition magazine is emptied).

The M4 fires from semi-automatic to three round burst. It will not continue to fire as long as the tigger is depressed, and so fails to fall under your own arguement.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Rebel on September 02, 2008, 12:44:30 PM
To the Liberal Judges and News Media ASSUALT Weapons are Machine Guns ... You sure do livein a Conservative cave

Now you're backtracking. You said by law they're "machine guns". I just showed you where the law calls them "assault weapons". Now you're saying the media and liberal judges.

Per the United States military and the United States Code, weapons with a 3-round burst, LIKE the M-4, LIKE the A2, are considered "assault weapons", not "machine guns". Doesn't matter what a judge nor the media calls them. They would be wrong to suggest they're machine guns.  
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Rebel on September 02, 2008, 12:45:42 PM
You are using the Bady campaign to defend a weapon's issue?

No, I'm using the law prove that an M-4, with a 3-round burst, isn't a machine gun. It's an assault weapon.

BTW, it was the Brady campaign that go that POS legislation entered into law, was it not?
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 12:47:37 PM
To the Liberal Judges and News Media ASSUALT Weapons are Machine Guns ... You sure do livein a Conservative cave

Now you're backtracking. You said by law they're "machine guns". I just showed you where the law calls them "assault weapons". Now you're saying the media and liberal judges.

Per the United States military and the United States Code, weapons with a 3-round burst, LIKE the M-4, LIKE the A2, are considered "assault weapons", not "machine guns". Doesn't matter what a judge nor the media calls them. They would be wrong to suggest they're machine guns.  
It's a Felony and the local Media, Leo's and Judge would still say Machine gun  Reguardless of how your lawyer says it was only an Assualt weapon ...
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Rebel on September 02, 2008, 12:52:59 PM
It's a Felony and the local Media, Leo's and Judge would still say Machine gun  Regardless of how your lawyer says it was only an Assault weapon ...

The National Firearms Act in 1934 prohibits me from owning a machine gun that fires over 300 rounds per minute; these are considered machine guns. Show me a damn M-4 that can fire 300 rounds per minute.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 12:59:05 PM
 BATF can do it lickety split , or they could just hire Jerry Miculek or his brother to shoot the weapon or have 50 round mags made up for the test ...
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: dutch508 on September 02, 2008, 01:02:33 PM
To the Liberal Judges and News Media ASSUALT Weapons are Machine Guns ... You sure do livein a Conservative cave

Now you're backtracking. You said by law they're "machine guns". I just showed you where the law calls them "assault weapons". Now you're saying the media and liberal judges.

Per the United States military and the United States Code, weapons with a 3-round burst, LIKE the M-4, LIKE the A2, are considered "assault weapons", not "machine guns". Doesn't matter what a judge nor the media calls them. They would be wrong to suggest they're machine guns.  
It's a Felony and the local Media, Leo's and Judge would still say Machine gun  Reguardless of how your lawyer says it was only an Assualt weapon ...

Doesn't matter. That was not your point in the arguement. Not even sure what your point is...other than to be an ass.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 01:04:32 PM
To the Liberal Judges and News Media ASSUALT Weapons are Machine Guns ... You sure do livein a Conservative cave

Now you're backtracking. You said by law they're "machine guns". I just showed you where the law calls them "assault weapons". Now you're saying the media and liberal judges.

Per the United States military and the United States Code, weapons with a 3-round burst, LIKE the M-4, LIKE the A2, are considered "assault weapons", not "machine guns". Doesn't matter what a judge nor the media calls them. They would be wrong to suggest they're machine guns.  
It's a Felony and the local Media, Leo's and Judge would still say Machine gun  Reguardless of how your lawyer says it was only an Assualt weapon ...

Doesn't matter. That was not your point in the arguement. Not even sure what your point is...other than to be an ass.
Thanx  for toning it back ,I thought you were really mad at me ,I will do the same ...
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on September 02, 2008, 01:57:29 PM
You can call it a Kazowie, it only makes you right in your own frame of reference.  Is it doctrinally a machinegun in military terms?  No.  Is it legally a machinegun?  Yes.  Are you behaving like a brain-damaged asshole yourself to call someone wrong in some cosmic sense for referring to it as a machinegun on a discussion board?  Unquestionably. 

Funny how you're basically doing the same damn thing. Also funny how the law calls them "Assault Weapons", not machine guns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/faqs/?page=awb

BTW, from the Brady Campaign's website:

Quote
Q: What is the difference between an automatic and a semi-automatic weapon?

A: An automatic weapon (machine gun) will continue to fire as long as the trigger is depressed (or until the ammunition magazine is emptied). A semi-automatic weapon will fire one round and instantly load the next round with each pull of the trigger. Semi-automatic firearms fire as rapidly as you can twitch your finger. This means that a semi-automatic fires a little more slowly than an automatic, but not much more slowly. When San Jose, California police test-fired an UZI, a 30-round magazine was emptied in slightly less than two seconds on full automatic while the same magazine was emptied in just five seconds on semi-automatic.

Ownership of machine guns has been tightly controlled since passage of the National Firearms Act of 1934, and their manufacture for the civilian market was halted in 1986. However, semi-automatic versions of those same guns were still being produced until the federal assault weapons ban was enacted.

Thanks for playing.

I'm not sure what your point is with the Brady quote, since it looks like it would support just about any usage, everything is a 'machine gun' to those guys except semi-autos, and it appears they aren't too sure about them.  It's a triviality anyway, and I shouldn't have said that 'acting like a brain-damaged asshole' part, sorry.

Tons of State laws, and Federal laws passed prior to 93, make them machineguns for staying-out-of-jail purposes, the three-round burst on the M16A2 and later variants is a twist, but still is legally a machinegun in any state codes that don't directly incorporate the Fed AWB lingo (all the States with which I'm familiar make up their own definition, a few out there somewhere probably have some have some catch-all "or prohibited by Federal law" clause at the end, I suppose).

FWIW, prior to adoption of the SAW and M240B, the infantry squad's automatic weapon support consisted of an automatic rifleman and an M60.  The automatic rifleman was armed with the same M16/M16A1 as the rest of the squad, so whether it was a "Rifle" or an "Automatic Rifle" depended on who was carrying it, not the capabilities of the weapon.  The SAW (which unlike the 240 variants doesn't actually have "machinegun" in its name, though it definitely is one by any definition) replaced the 'automatic rifle' role, not the M60's role. 

Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Airwolf on September 02, 2008, 09:19:54 PM
Ahhh yes...it's finally happening.

Don's is letting his inner ****-tard loose on CC.


Watch your inbox folks...next he'll start threatening you like he did VetWife at TOS.


Dipshit owes Schade an apology...

I dare his ass to try.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin & the M4 (machine gun)
Post by: Donpeyote on September 02, 2008, 11:43:11 PM


 She warned me about you guys  and Vetwife can get F****D  It's always know it all macho men who BECOME Snarky and angry when other posters get stoopid ... and it's the Internet so if someone thinks a Percieved hero status insulates them from Retorts they need to think about it more often ?

We already knew about you jackass.

Check the screen name.  Somewhere in your drug addled mind does it ring a bell from ConservativeUnderground?

You threatened a very nice lady you ****stick.  Insinuated you were gonna SHOOT HER.

You're lucky someone didn't take that crap to the cops.

We decided to give you the benefit of the doubt about your past troll behavior.

And true to form you proved us right.
I did not threaten to shoot her it was her Husband !(She could not fight her own interwebz battle so she got her husband all in a Rile and he said he was catching a Plane to Chico and driving up to Oak Run to "Get Me" so naturally I said"Come  on in"  my door will be open,  if you know what that means I dont' threaten to shoot women ,just their Husbands who come off as "Real Killers" .... Post the transcript Troll 
I'm Easy to find Airwolfy and my doors are open for you to come in also ...