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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Texacon on April 21, 2021, 05:40:45 AM
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215358693
Some people will never believe that a cop killing a black person can ever be justified.
StarfishSaver (14,535 posts)
In Columbus, a cop shot a 15-year-old girl 10 SECONDS after he arrived on the scene
He gets out of the car at 6:42 - he fires FIVE SHOTS at 6:52.
The people he fired at obviously posed no threat to him. They were fighting with each other. Several other people were standing nearby watching and did not seem to feel that they were in any danger.
No - he does not get the benefit of the doubt. No - this was not the girl's fault. No - the cop was not at any risk, much less under any threat. He shot that child in cold blood for absolutely no reason.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Fpnibt9RQ2U
Huge, long thread and thankfully, there is some pushback. From what it appears in the video, the cop saved the girl in pinks life.
Hoyt (48,452 posts)
2. Seems clear to me policeman saved life of other girl, from what I just saw.
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/officer-involved-shooting-reported-in-east-columbus/
TheProle (37 posts)
4. That is exactly right.
He fired within 10 seconds because in the 11th either she was going to be shot or the young lady in pink was going to be gutted.
StarfishSaver (14,535 posts)
10. "The young lady in pink was going to be gutted"
Bullshit. "The young lady in pink" was on her feet, very mobile and could easily have gotten away from the other girl. The cop made absolutely no effort to deescalate or even assess the situation.
I am sick and tired of people looking at black people being mowed down in the street by trigger-happy cops and having the temerity to insist that it was the right thing to do.
This has got to stop.
I'll tell you what needs to stop and it's a few things. The first of which is stop jumping to conclusions and burning cities down before you know what actually happened and who it happened to (other than the color of their skin), and the second would be to stop excusing this type of behavior! It damn sure looks like the girl is about to stab another girl. She's 15! What she's about to stab someone over becomes irrelevant when the cops are there. Their job is to protect all people, not just some people and not just themselves.
There's a ton at the link.
KC
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Clearly the LEO should have called for a social worker and then observed the on-going circumstances until they could decide what was going on and who needs to get a stern talking to.
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The Magistrate (90,643 posts)
30. I Watched It, Sir, And Am Not Impressed
He came up on the middle of something.
He had no idea who was who and what was going on, nor does he seem to have made any effort to find out.
He resorted to a gun, quickly enough that he appears to have had no idea what to do besides shoot.
It seems he made a mistake, as the person he shot was the person who had called for assistance against several others.
He is unfit for the profession.
This kind of crap needs to stop.
To put it bluntly, I have reached a point where my first reaction to news of a police officer being shot is that the officer probably had it coming, and if he or she didn't, someone else in the department did, and people in uniform are interchangeable --- that's the whole point of a uniform.
By now, any officer is responsible for any other officer's misconduct.
The Magistrate, just as hateful and ignorant as ever.
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Remember DUmbasses: Once the police are gone, it's just you and us.
Let's do this.
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Video of the shooting:
https://twitter.com/shanermurph/status/1384703331877130241
Cop arrives and shouts for people to calm down.
Girl in pink retreats away from the fight past the cop.
Other girl with knife charges girl in pink, pinning girl in pink against POV. That was an offensive action, not an act of defense by the girl with the knife.
Cop shoots in defense of the girl in pink - who happens to be black.
If the cops just wanted dead black people, he could have just let the girl with the knife do it for him.
Also of note: a black officer is on scene.
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The Magistrate primitive has said a lot of stupid things over the years, but this one tops the cake. Yeah sure, if one LEO does something then it automatically falls on every other officer as though they did it. Let's hold that same standard across the board in the game of life then, TM primitive. You want me to treat you that way, son?
Some observations: This looks like a fairly good middle class neighborhood, which automatically tells me reparations wouldn't work. Giving crazy people money wouldn't delete the crazy. I can find dozens of videos of black people acting this way, but can't find hardly any of other races. Personally I don't get it as people are people; we're all the same blood. So what's going on to cause this? Because by viewing the video, it's not poverty and it's not lack of groceries.
This aggressive female is trying to stab this other female who falls to the ground, then turns to stab a different female, while the girl on the ground gets kicked by some man. And then the man complains about the LEO shooting the aggressive female. These dolts are looneytunes!
Also, the dog in the video has a look of "Could someone adopt me out of this crazy neighborhood, please?"
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This looks like a fairly good middle class neighborhood, which automatically tells me reparations wouldn't work.
FWIW, someone on the DU thread said the girls were residents of a "group home." If that's true, it just goes to show, doesn't matter WHERE you locate the problem, it's still a problem.
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The Magistrate (90,643 posts)
30. I Watched It, Sir, And Am Not Impressed
He came up on the middle of something.
He had no idea who was who and what was going on, nor does he seem to have made any effort to find out.
He resorted to a gun, quickly enough that he appears to have had no idea what to do besides shoot.
It seems he made a mistake, as the person he shot was the person who had called for assistance against several others.
He is unfit for the profession.
This kind of crap needs to stop.
To put it bluntly, I have reached a point where my first reaction to news of a police officer being shot is that the officer probably had it coming, and if he or she didn't, someone else in the department did, and people in uniform are interchangeable --- that's the whole point of a uniform.
By now, any officer is responsible for any other officer's misconduct.
Just because you and your fellow moonbats want to be a collective hive mind with no individuality or individual thought, doesn't mean the rest of us do, or that you get to put that mindset onto others. As USA4ME said while I'm typing, use it across the board or don't use it at all. All cops are responsible for other cops actions? Ok, all blacks are responsible for the Asians that a few blacks are beating up. All bronies are responsible for the FedEx shooting. All communists are responsible for the one million who died in Pol Pot's killing fields. All Muslims are responsible for 9/11. No one with two functioning brain cells would accept those any of those last sentences, but that is how the proggies want their useful idiots to think about cops, and many of those useful idiots are following the bouncing ball.
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Is DU-member Hoyt one of DU's occasionally sane members? Whether or no, it took a little bit of honesty and courage to speak truth to a leader of DU's Cop-Hating Pack. Of course, had StarfishSaver been the girl under the knife she would have been screaming, "Shoot her! Shoot her!"
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Is DU-member Hoyt one of DU's occasionally sane members? Whether or no, it took a little bit of honesty and courage to speak truth to a leader of DU's Cop-Hating Pack. Of course, had StarfishSaver been the girl under the knife she would have been screaming, "Shoot her! Shoot her!"
Hoyt is a (former?) burglar. Self admitted. He's rabidly anti-gun and would applaud forcibly disarming civilians. He insists you can defend yourself with a can of beans.
No. I'm not joking.
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The Magistrate (90,643 posts)
30. I Watched It, Sir, And Am Not Impressed
He came up on the middle of something.
He had no idea who was who and what was going on, nor does he seem to have made any effort to find out.
He resorted to a gun, quickly enough that he appears to have had no idea what to do besides shoot.
It seems he made a mistake, as the person he shot was the person who had called for assistance against several others.
He is unfit for the profession.
This kind of crap needs to stop.
To put it bluntly, I have reached a point where my first reaction to news of a police officer being shot is that the officer probably had it coming, and if he or she didn't, someone else in the department did, and people in uniform are interchangeable --- that's the whole point of a uniform.
By now, any officer is responsible for any other officer's misconduct.
Oh geez. :thatsright: :mental:
That's the problem. Police do not and cannot know everything that precipitated what they witness when they arrive. What they know is what they see, and what this officer saw was someone trying to stab someone else. Duh.
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forgive my whiteness, but is this a tribal or cultural thing with these people? I can't fathom getting into a kerfuffle as was shown in the video, let alone not back down once Law Enforcement arrived on the scene and called for peace and calm.
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The Magistrate (90,643 posts)
30. I Watched It, Sir, And Am Not Impressed
He came up on the middle of something.
He had no idea who was who and what was going on, nor does he seem to have made any effort to find out.
He resorted to a gun, quickly enough that he appears to have had no idea what to do besides shoot.
If someone is a second away from being stabbed, why should a police officer know how it came to be that way? SOMEONE IS ABOUT TO BE KILLED!
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If someone is a second away from being stabbed, why should a police officer know how it came to be that way? SOMEONE IS ABOUT TO BE KILLED!
If he didn't react the way he did and the girl in pick was gutted, then we would hear non stop about how Law Enforcement did nothing to protect a young black girl from being murdered in cold blood in front of them.
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forgive my whiteness, but is this a tribal or cultural thing with these people? I can't fathom getting into a kerfuffle as was shown in the video, let alone not back down once Law Enforcement arrived on the scene and called for peace and calm.
It's cultural. I grew up in poor white communities that were just as violent.
However, it looks like a damn nice neighborhood. If what we read up-thread is true, some of people involved in the fight were from a group home in the neighborhood.
That means the problem was imported. I'll bet the residents aren't happy with that.
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I know we can only take so much of the maggoty one, even in small doses, but he is over there suggesting that possibly the girl in pink was the aggressor, and the knife-wielding fat one was just defending herself. Could have been a victim of bullying. This is why we hate him so.
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It's cultural. I grew up in poor white communities that were just as violent.
Interesting, but not totally surprising.
I know when I was growing up in FL, and even in the State now, there is a lot of tension between certain Latino groups. For example, the Mexicans stick together, the Puerto Ricans stick together, the Cubans stick together, etc... And usually these groups are fighting each other. That’s why I find it so funny when libs speak of Latinos as if they’re all on the same page.
Makes me wonder if the black community would subdivide if they had some type of more specific regional connection (i.e. Liberians vs. Guineas vs. Ghana ancestors) and that connection held some meaning to them. It’s seems now to be more gang related. The Dems social programs have definitely messed with the traditional family that’s so necessary to help children learn responsibility and a sense of something more important than self.
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Interesting, but not totally surprising.
I know when I was growing up in FL, and even in the State now, there is a lot of tension between certain Latino groups. For example, the Mexicans stick together, the Puerto Ricans stick together, the Cubans stick together, etc... And usually these groups are fighting each other. That’s why I find it so funny when libs speak of Latinos as if they’re all on the same page.
Makes me wonder if the black community would subdivide if they had some type of more specific regional connection (i.e. Liberians vs. Guineas vs. Ghana ancestors) and that connection held some meaning to them. It’s seems now to be more gang related. The Dems social programs have definitely messed with the traditional family that’s so necessary to help children learn responsibility and a sense of something more important than self.
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I'm part Hispanic myself. I had a fellow Puerto Rican once tell me that Mexicans were "living proof that Cubans **** monkeys."
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/JollyShowyAegeancat-small.gif)
I'm pretty sure he was only half joking.
Still, you have to admire a good twofer.
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215358693#post221
Jirel (1,361 posts)
221. I am APPALLED at DUers defending the cop here.
Apparently they have lost their damned minds.
1) No attempt at deescalation or finding out what's going on, when coming into a fight. Gun already drawn, looking for action. Apparently those things are just for white brawls.
2) The girl in pink was in little danger from Ma'Khia. As she had called for help, she felt she needed to defend herself. Whatever had happened at that moment, she had the knife in her hand and was swinging wildly, if at all. I've trained with knives for years. The first thing you learn - the first thing this kkkop should have learned - about people with knives, is that (a) the target is likely to get cut no matter how well they might defend, but (b) the likelihood of serious damage (hitting something vital versus needing stitches) from a knife wielded by someone just swinging it around is low, especially if the target has a chance to put distance between them. You put space between combatants if you're trying to deescalate.
3) The kkkop was putting the girl in pink in a hell of a lot more danger than Ma'Khia was. Ma'Khia might have put a few cuts on her, at the very worst. The kkkop was emptying his entire *******ed clip into Ma'Khia as she was partly between him and the girl in pink, and they were inches away, even touching, at the time. One slight miss, and she also would be dead or in surgery for a major bullet wound. Oh, and apparently he did miss - poor Ma'Khia was hit 4 times in the chest, and at least 1 bullet went elsewhere.
4) There is this thing called proportional use of force. A taser? Maybe reasonable. Emptying a clip into the chest of a youngster? That's pretty automatically a kill. One shot? Especially when the other girl was right behind her and possibly even in significant contact with Ma'Khia? Still grossly out of line. You don't try to "save" someone by putting them in much greater danger. That kkkop was out to kill Ma'Khia, not to help the girl in pink.
Well, I've watched the video a couple of times, and Ma'Khia wasn't in any kind of defensive position. At the moment she was shot, she was definitely the aggressor, and Jirel can THINK she may have only "put a few cuts on her," OR she may have severed her jugular, or her aorta. If the choice of benefit of the doubt is between Ma'Khia and the cop. I think I'll give it to the cop. (BTW, Jirel loses all credibility by spelling cop with three "k"s.
Also, I had no idea H2OMan was such a badass.
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from a knife wielded by someone just swinging it around is low, especially if the target has a chance to put distance between them. You put space between combatants if you're trying to deescalate.
The fat one with the knife had the defenseless one penned against the car when the cop did what had to be done. The bitch with the knife may have called police, but she was a deadly threat and was neutralized.
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215358693#post221Well, I've watched the video a couple of times, and Ma'Khia wasn't in any kind of defensive position. At the moment she was shot, she was definitely the aggressor, and Jirel can THINK she may have only "put a few cuts on her," OR she may have severed her jugular, or her aorta. If the choice of benefit of the doubt is between Ma'Khia and the cop. I think I'll give it to the cop. (BTW, Jirel loses all credibility by spelling cop with three "k"s.
Also, I had no idea H2OMan was such a badass.
I think DUmmy jirel needs to go thru a live fire simulator and then revisit his comments
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215358693#post221Well, I've watched the video a couple of times, and Ma'Khia wasn't in any kind of defensive position. At the moment she was shot, she was definitely the aggressor, and Jirel can THINK she may have only "put a few cuts on her," OR she may have severed her jugular, or her aorta. If the choice of benefit of the doubt is between Ma'Khia and the cop. I think I'll give it to the cop. (BTW, Jirel loses all credibility by spelling cop with three "k"s.
Also, I had no idea H2OMan was such a badass.
A knife is a deadly weapon. Use of Force dictates 'equal plus' for LEOs. At 21 feet your reaction time is too slow to stop an attack, and the girls were right on top of each other- the attacker moving to stab a defenseless girl. The police responded with force to save a life.
period
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I think this shooting will cause a lot of butthurt within DU... maybe even cause some to leave.
Shooting was obviously justified; and yes... it is tragic that a 16 year old lost her life.
At the same time, I am experiencing some schadenfreude from watching (I am guessing) black DUmmies argue with the (again guessing) white DUmmies about Black Lives Mattering..... while wholly ignoring the Black Life of the girl/woman in pink.
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Just from the initial information I think it’s hard to see how the cop was NOT justified. The statement above by Jirel about the cop already having the gun in his hand is wholly false. You can see him draw his weapon in the body cam footage. The rest of it it’s just gobbledygook after that.
Some over there are definitely letting their anti cop, anti white, bias show. It doesn’t seem to be going over very well with a whole lot more than I thought there would be.
KC
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I also saw the girl’s aunt giving an interview where she repeatedly claimed her niece didn’t even have a knife in her hand. Each time she said it some black man off screen said “tell the truth, don’t lie”, or something along those lines. He wasn’t about standing there watching her whip up the crowd into a frenzy over a lie.
KC
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:rofl: :lmao:
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32. He could have "saved life of other girl" without the gun.
Poorly trained and ill-equipped cops are a scourge. A taser or a skillfully tossed baton would have worked here. Lethal force wasn't necessary.
Ahahahaha!! For real?! THIS is why you can’t talk to these people.
KC
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If the police officer wanted dead black people he would have let the girl with the knife kill the girl in pink before shooting the girl with the knife.
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If the police officer wanted dead black people he would have let the girl with the knife kill the girl in pink before shooting the girl with the knife.
You’re using logic. That’s against DU rules.
KC
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Anyone want to claim they're surprised that the racist LeBron James tweeted a threat to the LEO?
https://trendingpolitics.com/youre-next-lebron-threatens-cop-who-saved-woman-from-being-stabbed-then-deletes-tweet/?utm_source=economics
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I think DUmmy jirel needs to go thru a live fire simulator and then revisit his comments
You mean, a white supremacy trainer!</DUmode>
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32. He could have "saved life of other girl" without the gun.
Poorly trained and ill-equipped cops are a scourge. A taser or a skillfully tossed baton would have worked here. Lethal force wasn't necessary.
:rofl: :lmao:
Ahahahaha!! For real?! THIS is why you can’t talk to these people.
KC
Why not water balloons, a big net, a slingshot, or a water noodle while we're at it? Got any sorcery freeze spells?
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... Got any sorcery freeze spells?
Big Pig and his fellow Wiccans (or whatever they call themselves) don't have to burn sage against Trump anymore, so maybe they have some spare time.
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:rofl: :lmao:
Ahahahaha!! For real?! THIS is why you can’t talk to these people.
KC
Why not water balloons, a big net, a slingshot, or a water noodle while we're at it? Got any sorcery freeze spells?
I can’t figure out if these people have watched too many Roadrunner vs Coyote cartoons, or taken too many super hero comic books as true documentaries.
KC
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #180)Wed Apr 21, 2021, 08:27 AM
Star Member StarfishSaver (14,597 posts)
184. So he needed to shoot her 5 times?
Police are trained to deescalate and prevent these situations - even someone trying to stab someone - without the use of lethal force. But lethal force all too often seems the first resort when dealing with people of color.
I am more than certain that if these were white kids tussling in a driveway in an affluent white neighborhood - even if one of them had a knife - the cop would not have started shooting within seconds of arriving.
Tussling in a driveway.
Nobody would have been shot if they had been merely tussling in a driveway.
I lost a shitload of IQ points reading through all of StarfishSaver's stupid posts in that painfully long thread
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Tussling in a driveway.
Nobody would have been shot if they had been merely tussling in a driveway.
I lost a shitload of IQ points reading through all of StarfishSaver's stupid posts in that painfully long thread
That individual is absolutely hell bent on accepting nothing but MURDER MURDER MURDER..
How dare we believe what we saw happen on video
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I think DUmmy jirel needs to go thru a live fire simulator and then revisit his comments
Not simulated, real live fire. :naughty:
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Black lives only matter when white people are involved. Blacks killing blacks is supposed to be ignored.
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That individual is absolutely hell bent on accepting nothing but MURDER MURDER MURDER..
How dare we believe what we saw happen on video
Starfish Saver was all over the Toledo threads talking about how wrong it was the cop chased him then shot him, yet here she is defending someone for chasing someone and stabbing them. She kept telling people it was never right to chase someone when they are fleeing then injure them and that is what proved the cops guilt. Once Toledo started running he was no longer a threat!
She is showing just how much of a racist she is. I hope her employer knows how racist she is. If a white person was saying the things she is, they would be hunted down by the leftist mob and their boss would be notified, while their family was harassed.
This also demonstrates how hateful DU as a whole is. She should have been banned long ago over her racism.
KC
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32. He could have "saved life of other girl" without the gun.
Poorly trained and ill-equipped cops are a scourge. A taser or a skillfully tossed baton would have worked here. Lethal force wasn't necessary.
Clearly watched too many TJ Hooker type TV fantasy shows. :banghead:
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32. He could have "saved life of other girl" without the gun.
Poorly trained and ill-equipped cops are a scourge. A taser 1 or a skillfully tossed baton 2 would have worked here. Lethal force wasn't necessary.
1 Too slow, too easy to miss, and may be ineffective, depending on drug intake or clothing. The girl who was the murderer-wannabe's target almost certainly would be seriously injured or dead had the officer tried a Taser.
2 :rotf: In what :stoner: -fantasy world would this accomplish anything?! :stoner: IRL, the girl who was the murderer-wannabe's target would be seriously injured or dead, and the officer would have thrown away one of his short-of-lethal-force weapons!
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32. He could have "saved life of other girl" without the gun.
Poorly trained and ill-equipped cops are a scourge. A taser or a skillfully tossed baton would have worked here. Lethal force wasn't necessary.
What do you think happens when they are defunded, dipstick? Lack of cash for equipment and training and salaries to keep good people who want to be good cops, but need to be paid enough to deal with certain groups painting all cops as evil, violent racists who are enemies of the people that need to be targeted on and off the job. And like Pete said, throwing an assailant another weapon is just mindblowingly stupid.
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What do you think happens when they are defunded, dipstick? Lack of cash for equipment and training and salaries to keep good people who want to be good cops, but need to be paid enough to deal with certain groups painting all cops as evil, violent racists who are enemies of the people that need to be targeted on and off the job. And like Pete said, throwing an assailant another weapon is just mindblowingly stupid.
I want the police to be defunded.
Then it will be just us and the lefties.
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I want the police to be defunded.
Then it will be just us and the lefties.
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Love that movie.
KC