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Title: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Wretched Excess on August 27, 2008, 12:56:30 PM

I honestly don't know a great deal about her, but her voting record (http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Kay_Bailey_Hutchison.htm) isn't bad.

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Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder

CRAWFORD — Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison's long-shot prospect for vice president is getting a push from conservative and other pundits in the lead-up to next week's Republican National Convention.

The latest flurry of speculation online and on cable television constitutes at least a third or fourth wave of chatter about Hutchison, whose name surfaces occasionally as a possible Republican vice-presidential candidate.

Hutchison, a delegate to next week's convention, will address the gathering in Minneapolis-St. Paul on the subject of energy independence on Sept. 3, her office announced Tuesday.

The speaker slot would seem to douse the veep-talk, but no one would say for sure. A spokesman for Hutchison declined to comment, and the McCain campaign did not return a call about McCain's colleague from Texas.

"She is female, which addresses the novelty of the opposition; she is smart and well-respected; she is knowledgeable on key issues, especially domestic policy," said Bruce Buchanan, a University of Texas at Austin government professor. "I still think it's going to be Mitt Romney."

More (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/5967502.html)
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Miss Mia on August 27, 2008, 12:59:30 PM
So much speculation.  :)
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Wretched Excess on August 27, 2008, 01:03:33 PM
So much speculation.  :)

yep.  and some of it will be proven correct :wink:

Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Lord Undies on August 27, 2008, 01:10:03 PM
I like Kay and I'm glad she's my senator....BUT....if I remember correctly, Kay is neutral on legal baby murdering.
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Wretched Excess on August 27, 2008, 01:12:13 PM
I like Kay and I'm glad she's my senator....BUT....if I remember correctly, Kay is neutral on legal baby murdering.

she could certainly be stronger on the right to life . . .

I linked to her record on all of the major issues:

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    *  Voted YES on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
    * Voted YES on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
    * Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
    * Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
    * Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
    * Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
    * Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
    * Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
    * Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
    * Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
    * Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
    * Rated 7% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
    * Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)
    * Rated 75% by the NRLC, indicating a mixed record on abortion. (Dec 2006)
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Sadie on August 27, 2008, 01:20:54 PM
A woman on the McCain ticket would just cook Obie's goose for sure. Aside from abortion issues she would be an excellent candidate.
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Lord Undies on August 27, 2008, 01:21:58 PM
A woman on the McCain ticket would just cook Obie's goose for sure. Aside from abortion issues she would be an excellent candidate.

Oh, dear.  Your avatar made me pee a little.   :lmao:
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Wretched Excess on August 27, 2008, 01:28:03 PM
A woman on the McCain ticket would just cook Obie's goose for sure. Aside from abortion issues she would be an excellent candidate.

mccain's pretty strong on that issue, though.  this will seem odd to say, but perhaps she is conservative enough to please the base as his running mate on other issues,  and he can make up for her mixed record on right to life.

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National Right to Life PAC strongly supports Senator John McCain for President of the United States and we have supported him in all of his U.S. Senate races.

Senator John McCain has an exemplary voting record against abortion. He has cast 31 pro-life votes since 1997. This includes voting for a bill that would prevent minor daughters from being taken across state lines for secret abortions without parental notice or consent, voting against taxpayer funding for abortion, and voting for a ban on the brutal partial-birth abortion procedure. He voted to confirm Justices Alito and Roberts. He has also voted against endorsing Roe v. Wade and believes it should be overturned. National Right to Life is very grateful for Senator McCain's pro-life votes.

NRL PAC link (http://www.mccainprolife.org/)


Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Flame on August 27, 2008, 01:33:33 PM
I like Kay and I'm glad she's my senator....BUT....if I remember correctly, Kay is neutral on legal baby murdering.

she could certainly be stronger on the right to life . . .

I linked to her record on all of the major issues:

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    *  Voted YES on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
    * Voted YES on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
    * Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
    * Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
    * Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
    * Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
    * Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
    * Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
    * Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
    * Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
    * Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
    * Rated 7% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
    * Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)
    * Rated 75% by the NRLC, indicating a mixed record on abortion. (Dec 2006)

Doesn't look like she has a horrible voting record...
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Wretched Excess on August 27, 2008, 01:36:50 PM
I like Kay and I'm glad she's my senator....BUT....if I remember correctly, Kay is neutral on legal baby murdering.

she could certainly be stronger on the right to life . . .

I linked to her record on all of the major issues:

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    *  Voted YES on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
    * Voted YES on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
    * Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
    * Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
    * Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
    * Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
    * Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
    * Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
    * Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
    * Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
    * Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
    * Rated 7% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
    * Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)
    * Rated 75% by the NRLC, indicating a mixed record on abortion. (Dec 2006)

Doesn't look like she has a horrible voting record...

I am trying to track down why the NRLC gave her a "lukewarm" 75%  . . .

Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Tess Anderson on August 27, 2008, 09:13:15 PM
I am trying to track down why the NRLC gave her a "lukewarm" 75%  . . .

I don't think she's be the VP nominee, but this kind of vote is probably why she has that score:

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* Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)

McCain has made similar ESCR votes. Still beats the likes of Obama/Biden.

Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: asdf2231 on August 27, 2008, 09:19:03 PM
I like the lady a lot and would be more than happy with her.
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: jendf on August 27, 2008, 09:23:05 PM
Her camp is denying it, of course. From a New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/us/politics/28repubs.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) article:

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Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas, was also mentioned as a possibility on Wednesday, but veteran Republicans quickly discounted her because of what is described as her cool relationship with Mr. McCain.

“It’s meshugeneh,” said Kenneth M. Duberstein, who was President Ronald Reagan’s last chief of staff, using the Yiddish word for crazy.

According to Drudge, based on this article, McCain has made his pick and it comes down to Romney, Pawlenty, or Lieberman. It will be announced at 11 a.m. on Friday.
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Rebel on August 27, 2008, 09:41:55 PM
Yeah, two Southwesterners? Not gonna happen. Sorry.
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Wretched Excess on August 27, 2008, 09:46:46 PM
Her camp is denying it, of course. From a New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/us/politics/28repubs.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) article:

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Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas, was also mentioned as a possibility on Wednesday, but veteran Republicans quickly discounted her because of what is described as her cool relationship with Mr. McCain.

“It’s meshugeneh,” said Kenneth M. Duberstein, who was President Ronald Reagan’s last chief of staff, using the Yiddish word for crazy.

According to Drudge, based on this article, McCain has made his pick and it comes down to Romney, Pawlenty, or Lieberman. It will be announced at 11 a.m. on Friday.


there is no way, not a single chance in hell, that it's lieberman.

Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Wretched Excess on August 27, 2008, 09:47:37 PM
Yeah, two Southwesterners? Not gonna happen. Sorry.

she's from east texas, though, I think. :-)
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Duke Nukum on August 27, 2008, 09:53:41 PM
Her camp is denying it, of course. From a New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/us/politics/28repubs.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) article:

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Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas, was also mentioned as a possibility on Wednesday, but veteran Republicans quickly discounted her because of what is described as her cool relationship with Mr. McCain.

“It’s meshugeneh,” said Kenneth M. Duberstein, who was President Ronald Reagan’s last chief of staff, using the Yiddish word for crazy.

According to Drudge, based on this article, McCain has made his pick and it comes down to Romney, Pawlenty, or Lieberman. It will be announced at 11 a.m. on Friday.


there is no way, not a single chance in hell, that it's lieberman.


God love 'im, McCainez just isn't that bright and his first instinct is to always enrage the base, so I'm not so sure.  He's been doing a little better for a while now but it isn't easy for a leopard to change its stripes.
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Schadenfreude on August 27, 2008, 10:17:10 PM
He needs a governator on the ticket. Romney.
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Chris_ on August 27, 2008, 10:18:39 PM
He needs a governator on the ticket. Romney.

That's where my money is.

But Hutchison would be a great candidate.

Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Schadenfreude on August 27, 2008, 10:22:58 PM
He needs a governator on the ticket. Romney.

That's where my money is.

But Hutchison would be a great candidate.



Elizabeth Dole would have been classy as well. If I weren't so free with my panty pics, it coulda been me.  :naughty:
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Strider on August 27, 2008, 10:28:31 PM
He needs a governator on the ticket. Romney.
Yup...he does....
I like Kay but choosing her is too transparent...an atempt to move female dems across the line.
Romney is the only choice. With economy and energy in the fore front,Romney would give him the voter confidence and momentum to push past his weak economic policy...
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Chris_ on August 27, 2008, 10:36:37 PM
He needs a governator on the ticket. Romney.

That's where my money is.

But Hutchison would be a great candidate.



Elizabeth Dole would have been classy as well. If I weren't so free with my panty pics, it coulda been me.  :naughty:

You know you have my vote!  But, sadly, in today's political climate beauty and brains are a losing combination.  You can have one but not the other.
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Strider on August 27, 2008, 10:41:18 PM
He needs a governator on the ticket. Romney.

That's where my money is.

But Hutchison would be a great candidate.



Elizabeth Dole would have been classy as well. If I weren't so free with my panty pics, it coulda been me.  :naughty:
I thought that was WHY you were considered..... :bow:
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: GOBUCKS on August 27, 2008, 10:54:55 PM
I would go with Hutchison or Dole. Romney would be best for the country, but might not survive all the magical underwear stories.
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: rich_t on August 27, 2008, 11:10:37 PM
Her camp is denying it, of course. From a New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/us/politics/28repubs.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) article:

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Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas, was also mentioned as a possibility on Wednesday, but veteran Republicans quickly discounted her because of what is described as her cool relationship with Mr. McCain.

“It’s meshugeneh,” said Kenneth M. Duberstein, who was President Ronald Reagan’s last chief of staff, using the Yiddish word for crazy.

According to Drudge, based on this article, McCain has made his pick and it comes down to Romney, Pawlenty, or Lieberman. It will be announced at 11 a.m. on Friday.


there is no way, not a single chance in hell, that it's lieberman.



That would be a sure fire way for him to lose the election IMO.
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Thor on August 27, 2008, 11:18:35 PM
Birds of a feather flock together..........

In that vein, I'm going to say McPain will pick Pawlenty. They're BOTH RINOs, so...... They'd be a good pair. Pawlenty is pretty ball-less. I still remember the "No additional taxes" meme he touted in the MN elections. So, in order to garner the state of MN a cool $17 MILLION/ month, he allowed a dollar a pack "health impact fee" on cigarettes in MN.  However, he DID sign the MN Personal Protection Act, which made the state a "shall issue" state for Permits to Carry a Handgun. So, I'm mixed on Pawlenty.

Schadie, did he allow the 10 cents per gallon gas tax to be passed ?? I haven't bothered to keep up with that since I left MN.
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Thor on August 27, 2008, 11:23:04 PM
Kay Bailey Hutchinson's record on opposing gun control initiatives is pretty good. I doubt that her and McPain would see eye to eye on the gun control issues.

From what I've just read about Kay Bailey Hutchinson makes me believe that she's a REAL Republican (The Eisenhower type, NOT a Reagan "Republican") I would like her, so, it won't happen

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Kay_Bailey_Hutchison.htm
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Wretched Excess on August 27, 2008, 11:27:41 PM
Her camp is denying it, of course. From a New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/us/politics/28repubs.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) article:

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Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas, was also mentioned as a possibility on Wednesday, but veteran Republicans quickly discounted her because of what is described as her cool relationship with Mr. McCain.

“It’s meshugeneh,” said Kenneth M. Duberstein, who was President Ronald Reagan’s last chief of staff, using the Yiddish word for crazy.

According to Drudge, based on this article, McCain has made his pick and it comes down to Romney, Pawlenty, or Lieberman. It will be announced at 11 a.m. on Friday.


there is no way, not a single chance in hell, that it's lieberman.



That would be a sure fire way for him to lose the election IMO.

surely he knows better . . . the base would go over the wall. 
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: rich_t on August 27, 2008, 11:35:27 PM
Her camp is denying it, of course. From a New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/us/politics/28repubs.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) article:

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Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas, was also mentioned as a possibility on Wednesday, but veteran Republicans quickly discounted her because of what is described as her cool relationship with Mr. McCain.

“It’s meshugeneh,” said Kenneth M. Duberstein, who was President Ronald Reagan’s last chief of staff, using the Yiddish word for crazy.

According to Drudge, based on this article, McCain has made his pick and it comes down to Romney, Pawlenty, or Lieberman. It will be announced at 11 a.m. on Friday.


there is no way, not a single chance in hell, that it's lieberman.



That would be a sure fire way for him to lose the election IMO.

surely he knows better . . . the base would go over the wall. 

He has shown in the past that he doesn't mind ignoring the base.  Hopefully he will pay attention to it this time.
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: GOBUCKS on August 27, 2008, 11:56:44 PM
Kay Bailey Hutchinson's record on opposing gun control initiatives is pretty good. I doubt that her and McPain would see eye to eye on the gun control issues.

From what I've just read about Kay Bailey Hutchinson makes me believe that she's a REAL Republican (The Eisenhower type, NOT a Reagan "Republican") I would like her, so, it won't happen

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Kay_Bailey_Hutchison.htm
I dunno. In my view, Ronald Reagan is possibly the greatest American in the history of the republic, and I don't see anything in Kay Bailey Hutchison's record that isn't consistent with Reaganism. So, I revere Reagan, you apparerntly dislike him, and we're both okay with Hutchison. That makes her a pretty solid choice. (I would prefer her, a Reagan, OR an Eisenhower to McCain, but I wasn't consulted.)
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Donpeyote on August 28, 2008, 12:30:43 AM
 Bob Doles wife has the cred !
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Schadenfreude on August 28, 2008, 06:17:40 AM
I would go with Hutchison or Dole. Romney would be best for the country, but might not survive all the magical underwear stories.

Ok... magical underwear stories is gonna stick.  :-)
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Schadenfreude on August 28, 2008, 06:29:50 AM
Birds of a feather flock together..........

In that vein, I'm going to say McPain will pick Pawlenty. They're BOTH RINOs, so...... They'd be a good pair. Pawlenty is pretty ball-less. I still remember the "No additional taxes" meme he touted in the MN elections. So, in order to garner the state of MN a cool $17 MILLION/ month, he allowed a dollar a pack "health impact fee" on cigarettes in MN.  However, he DID sign the MN Personal Protection Act, which made the state a "shall issue" state for Permits to Carry a Handgun. So, I'm mixed on Pawlenty.

Schadie, did he allow the 10 cents per gallon gas tax to be passed ?? I haven't bothered to keep up with that since I left MN.

He vetoed it, but the dem legislators and 6 republicans who sold their soul to the devil overrode his veto.
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Schadenfreude on August 28, 2008, 06:32:09 AM
Her camp is denying it, of course. From a New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/us/politics/28repubs.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) article:

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Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas, was also mentioned as a possibility on Wednesday, but veteran Republicans quickly discounted her because of what is described as her cool relationship with Mr. McCain.

“It’s meshugeneh,” said Kenneth M. Duberstein, who was President Ronald Reagan’s last chief of staff, using the Yiddish word for crazy.

According to Drudge, based on this article, McCain has made his pick and it comes down to Romney, Pawlenty, or Lieberman. It will be announced at 11 a.m. on Friday.


there is no way, not a single chance in hell, that it's lieberman.



That would be a sure fire way for him to lose the election IMO.

surely he knows better . . . the base would go over the wall. 

He has shown in the past that he doesn't mind ignoring the base.  Hopefully he will pay attention to it this time.

After Obama's anti-climatic pick of Biden, a solid conservative (outside the beltway) would give McCain the momentum he needs to hit this out of the ball park. I truly believe it.
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Crazy Horse on August 28, 2008, 07:21:11 AM
Her camp is denying it, of course. From a New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/us/politics/28repubs.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) article:

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Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas, was also mentioned as a possibility on Wednesday, but veteran Republicans quickly discounted her because of what is described as her cool relationship with Mr. McCain.

“It’s meshugeneh,” said Kenneth M. Duberstein, who was President Ronald Reagan’s last chief of staff, using the Yiddish word for crazy.

According to Drudge, based on this article, McCain has made his pick and it comes down to Romney, Pawlenty, or Lieberman. It will be announced at 11 a.m. on Friday.


there is no way, not a single chance in hell, that it's lieberman.



That would be a sure fire way for him to lose the election IMO.

surely he knows better . . . the base would go over the wall. 

He has shown in the past that he doesn't mind ignoring the base.  Hopefully he will pay attention to it this time.

After Obama's anti-climatic pick of Biden, a solid conservative (outside the beltway) would give McCain the momentum he needs to hit this out of the ball park. I truly believe it.

Is that change you can believe in???
Title: Re: Chatter over Hutchison as possible VP pick gets louder
Post by: Thor on August 28, 2008, 11:40:48 AM
Kay Bailey Hutchinson's record on opposing gun control initiatives is pretty good. I doubt that her and McPain would see eye to eye on the gun control issues.

From what I've just read about Kay Bailey Hutchinson makes me believe that she's a REAL Republican (The Eisenhower type, NOT a Reagan "Republican") I would like her, so, it won't happen

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Kay_Bailey_Hutchison.htm
I dunno. In my view, Ronald Reagan is possibly the greatest American in the history of the republic, and I don't see anything in Kay Bailey Hutchison's record that isn't consistent with Reaganism. So, I revere Reagan, you apparerntly dislike him, and we're both okay with Hutchison. That makes her a pretty solid choice. (I would prefer her, a Reagan, OR an Eisenhower to McCain, but I wasn't consulted.)

Reagan did a couple of things that truly dismayed me. First of all, he granted amnesty to some six million illegal aliens. This established a precedent to allow this to happen again. He had the opportunity to truly address the illegal alien problem in a way that would benefit this country and, IMO, he blew it. Secondly, he allowed the 1986 Gun Control act to be passed. This act circumvented the Second Amendment. I "Liked" Reagan and even voted for him. He DID do a LOT of good for the military, especially the Navy. I admire him for those military oriented efforts. I was USN from 1975-1995 and survived Carter and his pathetic office. I saw days of gloom when Carter was in office.