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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-25-08 07:54 PM
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How can this race be so close if 80% of the country thinks we are on "the wrong track" ??!!
Advertisements [?]The answer is that it isn't.
I HAVE to believe that these polls are so much BS designed to blow smoke so when they steal it yet again everyone can say, "well, it was always close."
If 80% of the people think we are on the wrong track then they ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE REPUBLICAN! Do you have to be a brain surgeon to realize that?
undeterred (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-25-08 07:55 PM
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1. There are a substantial number of people
who choose to be on the wrong track.
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tblue (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-25-08 07:56 PM
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4. ...who are sheep.
Double_Talk_Express (21 posts) Mon Aug-25-08 07:55 PM
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2. Plain and simple: racism and idiocy
much of America is still backward and will not vote for Obama because he is black. Others are just gullible and buy the crap the neocons are selling.
leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-25-08 07:58 PM
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7. NOTHING IS REAL
if you saw it on TV or heard it on the radio or read it in the papers, it is PROPAGANDA.
The only truth is DU!!!!
Gato Moteado (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-25-08 07:58 PM
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8. republican voters DO need a brain surgeon....
...they've been voting against their own economic interests for decades.
BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-25-08 08:06 PM
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16. POLL FRAUD MUST PRECEDE ELECTION FRAUD
They have to make it look close so when they steal it, it won't seem so impossible.
That is why it MUST be a landslide...
LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-25-08 08:29 PM
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23. Some people think it's on the wrong track because we aren't gunning down gays in the street.
It's a two way street, and the cars on it are heading away from each other at tremendous speeds.
CitizenPatriot (607 posts) Mon Aug-25-08 08:47 PM
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24. sure cameras are not allowed in the voting booth
but I'm bringing my cell phone and taking a picture -- just because I want to. they won't give us paper ballots? fine. I'll take a pic. that's my receipt.
Everyone needs to bring cameras, etc to the polls. youtube is our friend.
ooooookay. So you take a picture of your vote. :mental:
MadHound (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-25-08 10:32 PM
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30. Bad advice, bringing cameras into the voting booths is a no-no in every state,
And if caught your vote can possibly be nullified and you get a bonus misdemeanor fine to boot. Your vote is needed, don't waste it trying to do stupid tricks, even though the motivation behind them is good.
Bigmack (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-25-08 08:55 PM
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25. Murikans may believe we're on the "wrong track"...
... but lots of them apparently think the train's engineer shouldn't be so.... how can I put this.... oh, yeah.... black!
I got a much-forwarded "joke" about the White House rose garden being replaced by a watermelon patch.
I "Reply All"ed and said that I've been ****ed so bad by old white guys in the last 8 years that I sure as hell ain't gonna vote for anybody white.
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ooooookay. So you take a picture of your vote.
lol! Yeah, what are they going to do with it? It'll be as worthless as the pictures of their hands.
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So black? I can guarandamnTEE you if the conservative choice was up to McCain and Allen West, if Allen West were more known by conservatives, HE would get the nomination.
We're not the racists, you ****tards. Wanna call us racists? Well, then you ****ing idiots are sexist for not nominating Hillary. Hell, you didn't even ask her to be Veep. How ****ed up! You idiots picked a old white male who NEVER got the numbers Hillary got.
Fact is, black conservatives are too damned smart and have WAY too much sense to run for the office of President. I would vote for Herman Cain over ANYONE on the ticket right now.
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How can this race be so close if 80% of the country thinks we are on "the wrong track" ??!!
Ummm... maybe becuse 80% of the country doesn't actually think that?
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People bitching the most about anything are usually guilty of what they, themselves, are bitching about.
And yes, libera...progressives are not only fascists but racists as well.
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-25-08 08:55 PM
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25. Murikans may believe we're on the "wrong track"...
... but lots of them apparently think the train's engineer shouldn't be so.... how can I put this.... oh, yeah.... black!
I got a much-forwarded "joke" about the White House rose garden being replaced by a watermelon patch.
I "Reply All"ed and said that I've been ****ed so bad by old white guys in the last 8 years that I sure as hell ain't gonna vote for anybody white.
Hmmm. Are you angry because they're "old" and you wanted young? Or because it was "bad" and you had fantasized about how good it would be? Or are you angry because it was "guys" and you had hoped to finally have some females?
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-25-08 08:55 PM
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25. Murikans may believe we're on the "wrong track"...
... but lots of them apparently think the train's engineer shouldn't be so.... how can I put this.... oh, yeah.... black!
I got a much-forwarded "joke" about the White House rose garden being replaced by a watermelon patch.
I "Reply All"ed and said that I've been ****ed so bad by old white guys in the last 8 years that I sure as hell ain't gonna vote for anybody white.
Bigmack, you are a bigoted asshole.
Yet, they still accuse the right of being the racists and bigots. How they manage to do that without the irony causing a stroke I will never understand.
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How can this race be so close if 80% of the country thinks we are on "the wrong track" ??!!
Ummm... maybe becuse 80% of the country doesn't actually think that?
Whether they do or don`t it is hysterical that the DUmmies are fully behind that poll result but in the next breath claim one they don`t like is fraudulent.
Such silly little children.
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The majority may think we're on the "wrong track," but there are plenty of people (enough for 270 electoral votes, I hope) who don't think the answer is socialism.
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How can the Little Goons expect Obama Hussein to be All Things if the goal is to "restore the country"? How can the Little Goons justify complaining about President Bush "using the Constitution for toilet paper" and then expect the never-gonna-happen President Hussein to rule by decree?
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You got to love DU...they have replaced joke books...comic books ...and bad jokes...where else can you get this much entertainment for free? :rotf:
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How can this race be so close if 80% of the country thinks we are on "the wrong track" ??!!
Ummm... maybe becuse 80% of the country doesn't actually think that?
Actually, that 80% is probably about right. I'm one of them. That doesn't mean that I'd ever vote for a Democrat, it means that I'd like to see ACTUAL conservatism make a comeback. GWB has been far too "bipartisan" in my opinion. In doing so, he's pissed off true conservative like myself, and is still vilified by the left....hence his low approval rating.
I hate to sound Gatoresque, but I actually liked a lot of Ron Paul's ideas. It just would've been better if he were a little more charismatic and not batshit crazy.
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80% may well believe we are on the wrong track however it just begs the question. What exactly is the right track? What percent of this 80% believe that our government is too intrusive and our taxes are being used for little more than vote buying.
Wrong track could mean any of a great number of things.
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-25-08 08:29 PM
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23. Some people think it's on the wrong track because we aren't gunning down gays in the street.
It's a two way street, and the cars on it are heading away from each other at tremendous speeds.
This DUmmy has a clue, actually. I suspect at least half that 80% are on our side, i.e., folks who would seriously consider Ann Coulter as Condi's successor. Anyone who catches more than a few minutes of the Denver freakshow on TV will join the 80% as well, when they reflect that this bunch represents half of our two-party system.
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80% may well believe we are on the wrong track however it just begs the question. What exactly is the right track? What percent of this 80% believe that our government is too intrusive and our taxes are being used for little more than vote buying.
Wrong track could mean any of a great number of things.
You've nailed it.......If asked that question, I would likely be amoung the 80%, but I would certainly not vote for a democrat......the DUmmies think that anyone that is dissatisfied with the direction that the country is going in must agree with the direction that THEY want it to go..........more projection.....
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Some people think it's on the wrong track because we aren't gunning down gays in the street.
Umm....ya.... if you are thinking it......
If 80% of the people think we are on the wrong track then they ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE REPUBLICAN! Do you have to be a brain surgeon to realize that?
Got any pol.....err proof?
Plain and simple: racism and idiocy
much of America is still backward and will not vote for Obama because he is black. Others are just gullible and buy the crap the neocons are selling.
Just a hair of reverse racism............ya think?
. ...who are sheep.
Old meme, come up with something new.
republican voters DO need a brain surgeon....
...they've been voting against their own economic interests for decades.
Actually DUmbass, we are now paying for 40+ years of rampant Liberalism. If Odogma gets in office, those tax inceases are REALLY gonna boost the economy.......ya....right. :mental:
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On the local radio KFAB they had someone on talking about how they can tell how the country is going by they way the people in this country answer question D-3 on some survey.Question D-3 is on page 15 of this survey. For the last 16 years this question has been an accurate showing of how the country is seperated from mostly liberal to mostly conservative. There is also Moderate and Others listed in the choices. The results as stated come to close to 60-65 % say conservative of any kind, while the total of liberals of any kind come to less then 39%. Hardly a resounding show of liberal support there if you ask me.
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On the local radio KFAB they had someone on talking about how they can tell how the country is going by they way the people in this country answer question D-3 on some survey.Question D-3 is on page 15 of this survey. For the last 16 years this question has been an accurate showing of how the country is seperated from mostly liberal to mostly conservative. There is also Moderate and Others listed in the choices. The results as stated come to close to 60-65 % say conservative of any kind, while the total of liberals of any kind come to less then 39%. Hardly a resounding show of liberal support there if you ask me.
But don't forget 'Wolfie, that in Russian, 'Bolshevik' translates out to 'Majority'. Revisionist history at it's finest, because the Bolsheviks never amounted to more than 25% - 30% of the Russian population.
The liberals are just following in the tactical footsteps of their ideological forefathers.
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On the local radio KFAB they had someone on talking about how they can tell how the country is going by they way the people in this country answer question D-3 on some survey.Question D-3 is on page 15 of this survey. For the last 16 years this question has been an accurate showing of how the country is seperated from mostly liberal to mostly conservative. There is also Moderate and Others listed in the choices. The results as stated come to close to 60-65 % say conservative of any kind, while the total of liberals of any kind come to less then 39%. Hardly a resounding show of liberal support there if you ask me.
That would be the Battleground Poll. Rush mentioned it a couple times this week.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/the_biggest_missing_story_in_p.html
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In August 2008, Americans answered that question this way:
(1) 20% of Americans considered themselves to be very conservative;
(2) 40% of Americans considered themselves to be somewhat conservative;
60%
(3) 2% of Americans considered themselves to be moderate;
(4) 27% of Americans considered themselves to be somewhat liberal;
(5) 9% of Americans considered themselves to be very liberal; and
36% Liberal
(6) 3% of Americans did not know or refused to answer.
EVEN if we add to the leftists the moderates and the reatrds who don't know it's: 40%
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That would be the Battleground Poll. Rush mentioned it a couple times this week.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/the_biggest_missing_story_in_p.html
Good article!
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Two polls with vastly different conclusions on a similar issue. DUers, instead of looking for other information to support one result or the other, believes the one that upholds their predetermined conclusion and then question why the other one contradicts it. Interesting way of not having to actually think about something while looking like your thinking about it.
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How can this race be so close if 80% of the country thinks we are on "the wrong track" ??!!
Ummm... maybe becuse 80% of the country doesn't actually think that?
That's kind of a trick question anyway, and they never ask the rest of the question-for example, I would say that the country is on the wrong track, because the 'rats in congress won't let us drill, because we have judicial activists overturning the will of the people and allowing same-sex marriages or civil unions, because we have congressmen who want to kill babies, even those who have managed to survive an abortion, because our congress wants to give amnesty to law-breaking illegal immigrants -etc, etc, etc. When the left quotes this statistic, they fail to consider the entire picture-that way, they can pretend to be dismayed that "Murkins" would "vote against their own interests".
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How can this race be so close if 80% of the country thinks we are on "the wrong track" ??!!
Ummm... maybe becuse 80% of the country doesn't actually think that?
That's kind of a trick question anyway, and they never ask the rest of the question-for example, I would say that the country is on the wrong track, because the 'rats in congress won't let us drill, because we have judicial activists overturning the will of the people and allowing same-sex marriages or civil unions, because we have congressmen who want to kill babies, even those who have managed to survive an abortion, because our congress wants to give amnesty to law-breaking illegal immigrants -etc, etc, etc. When the left quotes this statistic, they fail to consider the entire picture-that way, they can pretend to be dismayed that "Murkins" would "vote against their own interests".
Welcome aboard.
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The conservative talk show host here in Augusta, Austin Rhodes, was called by a polling company. They asked, "Are you happy with the state of affairs of the country right now"? He said "No". .....and before he could get another word in edgewise, they hung up. He's a CONSERVATIVE talk show host. The poll? A Bush approval poll. Does this mean he's now going to vote Democrat? As he usually says, not no but HELL no.
Polls are for shit. The only poll that counts is the one taking place on 04Nov08.
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Welcome aboard.
Thanks :)
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Two polls with vastly different conclusions on a similar issue. DUers, instead of looking for other information to support one result or the other, believes the one that upholds their predetermined conclusion and then question why the other one contradicts it. Interesting way of not having to actually think about something while looking like your thinking about it.
Very old research adage: first draw your lines, then plot your points.
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80% may think we are on the wrong track but Limbaugh had this thing yesterday about Battleground poll question D3:
When thinking about politics and government, do you consider yourself to be… Very conservative, somewhat conservative, moderate, somewhat liberal, very liberal, unsure/refused.
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In August 2008, Americans answered that question this way: (1) 20% of Americans considered themselves to be very conservative; (2) 40% of Americans considered themselves to be somewhat conservative--" For those of you in Rio Linda, that adds up to 60% who consider themselves conservative. Two percent said they considered themselves to be moderate, the independents, the great moderates in American History. Two percent of the American people consider themselves to be moderates, and yet we're told that they are 20% of the electorate. Twenty-seven percent said they were somewhat liberal, and 9% said they were very liberal. That's a total of 36% to 60. Sixty percent conservative, 30% liberal. Question D3, Battleground Poll, five days ago. Three percent of Americans did not know or refused to answer.
Linky that will probably only work for members (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_082508/content/01125110.member.html)
linky to the article Limbaugh was reading (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/the_biggest_missing_story_in_p.html)
So, if 80% think we are on the wrong track and 60% consider themselves conservative or somewhat conservative, then it has to be when Republicans and Democrats force liberalism down our gullets, we think the country is on the wrong track.
The biggest problem with "right track/wrong track" is every individual is going to have different criteria in mind, it is like Generic Democrat Candidate vs. known Republican candidate.