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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Texacon on August 24, 2008, 03:06:09 PM
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Hey small business owners, if you can't pay your workers 7 pd sl days per annum,
IMO you don't belong in business. hmmmmf.
Hey, if you can't afford to give me FREE money you don't DESERVE to be in business!!!!!! /dummie mode.
Jeeze.
:mental:
KC
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Retard....all bow before government regulation..... :thatsright:
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If you give most employees 7 paid sick days per year ...... you will have an employee who is gone 7 more days per year.
I'm supposing it would like to have these 7 days on top of some sort of paid vacation package?
They know nothing of business and it shows up quite often.
KC
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And they will scratch their heads when the cost of goods and services reflects their socialist ideas. *eyeroll*
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And they will scratch their heads when the cost of goods and services reflects their socialist ideas. *eyeroll*
No,they will whine about it and claim there is no reason for it.
Stupidity at its higest level.
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And they will scratch their heads when the cost of goods and services reflects their socialist ideas. *eyeroll*
Or if the business owner has to cut salaries/wages.
If you used a very small model of 5 employees, making $10/hour that equates to, $2,800/year not taking into account the tax implications and other packages that would tie in.
If said employer were to cut wages by $.25/hour to make up for the lost income ..... there would be hell to pay. If the owner did this and it ended up closing the doors you would have 5 people out looking for a job (the owner would do what all entrepreneurs do .... start something else).
This DUmmie isn't even asking for a week's pay .... it is asking for almost a week and a half off paid. How many of us need those kind of sick days?
This stuff gets under my skin and it really shows an ignorance of how business is run.
KC
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greyhound1966 (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Aug-24-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. What's your final margin before salaries/benefits?
In my experience, most employers who cry over a raise in minimum wage/benefit requirements are simply unwilling to accept less profit and reduce what they themselves take out of the business. Perhaps ironically, the owners are also usually the most expendable person(s) on the payroll.
:banghead:
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greyhound1966 (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Aug-24-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. What's your final margin before salaries/benefits?
In my experience, most employers who cry over a raise in minimum wage/benefit requirements are simply unwilling to accept less profit and reduce what they themselves take out of the business. Perhaps ironically, the owners are also usually the most expendable person(s) on the payroll.
:banghead:
Said DUnce may be right; just not for the reasons he thinks. It's going to become increasingly more attractive to just close up shop and put those workers out of a job--and then, they'll have all of the sick leave they could want. It just won't be paid.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member
Sun Aug-24-08 05:10 PM
Response to Original message
24. Don't like it? Start your own business.
See just how easy and simple it is being a small business owner. My God, the money just rolls in, so much I can't find the time to count it all.
Sick of being just an employee? Be the boss! Work 100+ hours a week, while your employees bitch about being overworked working forty! Get to work every day of the week, holidays included! Paid vacations for the boss? Not ****ing happening! Sick leave? What's that? Can't make payroll for your employees if you take a paycheck that week? No pay that week for the boss.
I had a union job that didn't pay 7 sick leave days a year.
Reality would bite you in the ass if you were on the other side of the fence, my friend. The business owner took ALL the risks to start up their operation, many times pledging every bit of equity they own.
You are just hired help.
Don't like the terms of your employment? Forgot to ask about sick leave when you hired on? Change your mind about things after you got the job?
Tough.
Quit.
Fricken OUCH! :lmao: :lmao:
Did it help?
lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-24-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. Oh cry me a ****ing river! You wouldn't have shit if you didn't have employees that would work for
the chicken feed you prollee pay them. Yeah tough quit! Then you have your own ass to bite! LOL Good luck with your humanity.
Nope. :thatsright:
If it is INDEED paying chicken feed ..... it probably goes through LOTS of employees and is used to that. Most folks don't aspire to be minimum wage workers for long.
KC
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Yet in some other thread they will carp and whine that the cost to them for XY or Z should never exceed whatever regardless.
What kind of disjointed,imbecilic mind can`t relate costs of production to retail costs of finished product.
Rhetorical question. :-)
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-24-08 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #37
45. UFCW twenty-four years
Shop Steward. Bargaining Committee. Grievance Committee. I know what it's like sitting at a negotiating table across from intransigent management. I know what it's like trying to get someone their job back, after one too many write-ups for sub-standard work/behavior/job attendance.
Yeah. I hate Labor.
And I do belong in business for myself. I answer to no boss, I beg no one for days off, I can't bitch about my compensation because I have no one to complain to except me.
And seven paid sick days? Times twelve employees in your shop? Eighty-four days of paid leave a year would put many small businesses in bankruptcy.
Do you know how many people would abuse sick time?
In our labor agreement, any sick days had to be excused by a doctor. Sick days were used just for that, being sick.
Not hungover. Not a 'bad case of the Mondays'. Not 'it's Friday and I want a long weekend.'
You better have been sick, or you got written up.
Paid time off isn't 'free'. Someone pays for it.
Sound reasoned post ..... right?
Do we get a sound reasoned reply?
lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-24-08 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. Yes and it should be the employer! And you were one of those
union people who for 24 years really was not for the employee were you. Manager.
Nope.
What. An. Idiot.
KC
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Wow. That is really stupid isn't it?
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When will these idiots ever understand that EMPLOYERS pay for nothing! It is all passed along to their customers. If you price yourself out of your customers market you will be out of business. How simple is that to understand yet Liberals can NEVER seem to grasp that one simple concept.
There is a balancing act going on in the business world and Liberals simply can't stay on the beam. What loser's. No wonder all they want to do is cry.
KC
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Many companies are merging sick days into vacation days. We don't get sick days at my company. I do, however, get 15 days per year vacation. I love it. If I get sick, I take a vacation day. If I don't, I can take a 15-day vacation. ...which isn't typical.
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Many companies are merging sick days into vacation days. We don't get sick days at my company. I do, however, get 15 days per year vacation. I love it. If I get sick, I take a vacation day. If I don't, I can take a 15-day vacation. ...which isn't typical.
We just call it PTO -- personal time off. I prefer it. It means when I take a Mental Health Day I am guilt free (I usually work remotely on those days anyway, but I sometimes will go out and do something fun AFTER sleeping in).
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Many companies are merging sick days into vacation days. We don't get sick days at my company. I do, however, get 15 days per year vacation. I love it. If I get sick, I take a vacation day. If I don't, I can take a 15-day vacation. ...which isn't typical.
I have vacation days that I use when I'm sick as well. *shrug*
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The "PTO" (paid time off) format is very popular. I like it. If you need extra sick days or don't ever use sick days, then you've got flexibility.
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My wife's company uses a PTO format and I like it. They don't 'automatically' get 1, 2, or 3 weeks off. They 'earn' time off for time worked. That would make a DUmmies head explode.
KC
PS. That thread is really getting big and the stoopid just doesn't stop.
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My wife's company uses a PTO format and I like it. They don't 'automatically' get 1, 2, or 3 weeks off. They 'earn' time off for time worked. That would make a DUmmies head explode.
KC
PS. That thread is really getting big and the stoopid just doesn't stop.
When I worked at Starbucks we earned vacation hours based on how much we worked.
Where I am now, after you've been there a year you get 5 days vacation. Two years you get 10 and after 5 years you get 15.
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most places that have PTO also have a system for accruing the time. It's really nice if you can carry over from year to year but a lot of places reset the clock every calendar year. The point lost on the DUmmies is that barring any violation of labor laws, the boss can pretty much do whatever he sees fit.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-24-08 03:58 PM
Original message
Hey small business owners, if you can't pay your workers 7 pd sl days per annum,
IMO you don't belong in business. hmmmmf.
...spoken like a true wage slave. Listen good lonestarnot, you are a low life POS, and with an attitude like that, you are always going to be a lowlife POS.
greyhound1966 (1000+ posts) Journal Sun Aug-24-08 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. But that is the essence of being a SBO.
I've been there 3 times myself and those circumstances don't last (or the business doesn't last).
We have far too many people that own businesses that get the venture up and running for 6 months and then decide they don't have to work any more and hire a staff at minimum wage and are never seen again as they buy the big house in the burbs, a Yukon and a Mercedes, and join the community club to live the good life on borrowed money.
Meanwhile the business goes down the toilet because the people running it have no stake or motivation to do anything but show up and collect their meager check. In the end, everybody loses.
In another irony of this thread, one of the worst offenders of this scenario I've know owned a pizza joint. He started well, made a little money, opened 4 more stores and then retreated to his new house in Cherry Hills and left the operation to his underpaid and over worked managers. Of course he went out of business 2 - 3 years later. It's too bad too because the pizza was excellent.
The difference between those examples (P&G vs. LBP) is scale and public financing (another reason to eliminate the whole corporate structure as it exists).
What a complete and utter load of bullshit..
As for Public Financing ? If a business cannot exist without government "charity" they deserve to go under.
Clearly you are a complete retard beyond any hope of salvation.
Captain Sensible (95 posts) Sun Aug-24-08 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. What????
You act like employers are there to serve their employees. They are there to serve their customers.
Employees get pain to assist company s in their business, employers will pay whatever the market will bear. they are not charities and have a right to make whatever profit they make of a relust of balancing sales price and outgoing expenses.
Some sanity. Best not display that too frequently at the DU if you don't want the granite.
greyhound1966 (1000+ posts) Journal Sun Aug-24-08 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #9
19. European companies seem to be doing fine, kicking our asses even, while providing
4 weeks to start and progressing to 12 weeks per year. Of course, they don't pay nearly as much at the top end of the scale and they have a social structure that accommodates all of it's citizens.
Millionaire Dentists are very rare, for example. It is, and always has been, a matter of priorities.
Firstly, BWAHAHAAHA, what the hell standard are you using that you can come out with "European companies seem to be doing fine, kicking our asses"
Second, My dentist for one likes to brag about his nice boat. He'd be worth millions. He is also the best dentist in the region, and cheerfully charges accordingly. If I didn't like that I'd go to one of the "state" run places and get a shitty job done by people on the public payroll who were convinced of their own importance, had nothing invested, and had no motivation to strive for excellence.
Threads like this highlight exactly why very few members of the DU are ever going to amount to anything.
It explains perfectly why many of them earn a extremely low wage, and will NEVER earn more than a extremely low wage, will never contribute anything to society and will constantly complain about how "bad" their life is.
These people are looters, leeches and thieves.
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[quote author=LC EFA
Threads like this highlight exactly why very few members of the DU are ever going to amount to anything.
It explains perfectly why many of them earn a extremely low wage, and will NEVER earn more than a extremely low wage, will never contribute anything to society and will constantly complain about how "bad" their life is.
These people are looters, leeches and thieves.
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Funny, I thought they were all Democrats. Oh wait, never mind. :banghead:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Aug-24-08 06:26 PM
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62. Huh, I've run across LARGE employers who don't give sick leave
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 06:26 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
The things you learn riding the bus: Back when I was still in Portland, a woman wearing the uniform of a major regional convenience store practically crawled onto the bus I was riding. She was evidently a regular, because the bus driver greeted her by name and said, "You don't look so good. Are you sure you should go to work?"
"I spent the weekend in the hospital with pneumonia," she explained, "but I checked myself out this morning because I'll lose my job if I miss a day."
The driver mumbled something about sick leave, which as a union employee, she most certainly had.
"No sick leave here," the store clerk shrugged. "Our boss says the chain can't afford benefits."
This was a chain that seemed to be at every major intersection in every town in Oregon, and they couldn't pay sick leave?
There's also a major restaurant chain that doesn't provide health insurance, because they claim that each employee generates only $900 in profit per year. Nine hundred? Then why bother having employees? Why bother being in business at all? Methinks some bean counter was playing fast and loose with the numbers there.
Anyone else wanna call bullshit on this one?! Hmmmm anyone? Bueller?
Come on. DUmmies will call out any and ALL companies they thing are selling the employee short but this one doesn't wanna name names? Probably because it doesn't want BS called on it.
KC
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Methinks some bean counter was playing fast and loose with the numbers there.
Well I think that some DUmmie is playing fast and loose with the truth here.
As for the bouncy, I will grant the possibility that the mystical woman on the bus, was a serial hypochondriac, and had already used her allocation of sick days for the year, as well as any accrued annual leave (which in my experience excess sick days are taken from ) that the "worker" may have had, and had probably already had several written warnings about her behaviour.
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The company I work for provides both paid sick days and paid personal days in addition to paid vacation.
We are not allowed to bank any sick or personal days, but can bank up to 2 weeks of vacation.
I'd prefer it was the other way around.
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This is the attitude that makes small business owners just try to do with as few employees as possible.
As a small business owner I have found I can make the same income with many fewer employees and much less stress.
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The company I work for provides both paid sick days and paid personal days in addition to paid vacation.
We are not allowed to bank any sick or personal days, but can bank up to 2 weeks of vacation.
I'd prefer it was the other way around.
*cough* *cough* -- Mr. Nurelman, I won't be in today...
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This is the attitude that makes small business owners just try to do with as few employees as possible.
As a small business owner I have found I can make the same income with many fewer employees and much less stress.
It's not just small business owners that try to do with as few employees as possible. I think almost all companies do. Isn't the cost of employees usually one of the highest recurring costs for most companies large or small?
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This is the attitude that makes small business owners just try to do with as few employees as possible.
As a small business owner I have found I can make the same income with many fewer employees and much less stress.
It's not just small business owners that try to do with as few employees as possible. I think almost all companies do. Isn't the cost of employees usually one of the highest recurring costs for most companis large or small?
Even more so for Government.
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The company I work for provides both paid sick days and paid personal days in addition to paid vacation.
We are not allowed to bank any sick or personal days, but can bank up to 2 weeks of vacation.
I'd prefer it was the other way around.
*cough* *cough* -- Mr. Nurelman, I won't be in today...
I've made that type of call. I just don't fake the cough. If I am calling off sick it is because I am actually sick.
We are allowed to use our personal days for any reason and I usually try to schedule them in advance when I can.
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The company I work for provides both paid sick days and paid personal days in addition to paid vacation.
We are not allowed to bank any sick or personal days, but can bank up to 2 weeks of vacation.
I'd prefer it was the other way around.
*cough* *cough* -- Mr. Nurelman, I won't be in today...
Rookie.
;)
I've made that type of call. I just don't fake the cough. If I am calling off sick it is because I am actually sick.
We are allowed to use our personal days for any reason and I usually try to schedule them in advance when I can.
Rookie.
;)
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This is the attitude that makes small business owners just try to do with as few employees as possible.
As a small business owner I have found I can make the same income with many fewer employees and much less stress.
It's not just small business owners that try to do with as few employees as possible. I think almost all companies do. Isn't the cost of employees usually one of the highest recurring costs for most companis large or small?
Even more so for Government.
That the cost of the employees is the highest recurring cost for government is a given, however it appears that the government takes the opposite approach and tries to do it with as many employees as possible.
Case in point is local government road repair crews.
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The company I work for provides both paid sick days and paid personal days in addition to paid vacation.
We are not allowed to bank any sick or personal days, but can bank up to 2 weeks of vacation.
I'd prefer it was the other way around.
*cough* *cough* -- Mr. Nurelman, I won't be in today...
Rookie.
;)
I've made that type of call. I just don't fake the cough. If I am calling off sick it is because I am actually sick.
We are allowed to use our personal days for any reason and I usually try to schedule them in advance when I can.
Rookie.
;)
LOL.
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If you don't think business should run the way *I* say it should then .... be damned. I will alert until you get banned!
lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-24-08 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #95
105. We could clean some house on this thread alone.
Mods are prollee paying attention.
It's gettin' fricken nasty over there.
KC
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This is the attitude that makes small business owners just try to do with as few employees as possible.
As a small business owner I have found I can make the same income with many fewer employees and much less stress.
It's not just small business owners that try to do with as few employees as possible. I think almost all companies do. Isn't the cost of employees usually one of the highest recurring costs for most companis large or small?
Even more so for Government.
That the cost of the employees is the highest recurring cost for government is a given, however it appears that the government takes the opposite approach and tries to do it with as many employees as possible.
Case in point is local government road repair crews.
Yup. Two guys actually working and 6 standing around stupervising.
:fuelfire:
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lonestarnot
Hey small business owners, if you can't pay your workers 7 pd sl days per annum, IMO you don't belong in business. hmmmmf.
Give me your name and address so we can meet and I'll explain to you face-to-face exactly why your opinion has absolutely no value in the real world.
My guess is you'd rather hide behind the keyboard.
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Uh, lonestarnut has a serious detractor. I had forgotten about this little incident. Maybe someone with a mole can search it out for posting;
cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts)
Mon Aug-25-08 03:12 PM
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213. Weren't you the person who berated the UPS employee for doing their job?
Methinks your empathy for lowly employees only goes so far...
Hmmm was it lonestarnut or another DUmmie that berated that poor girl at the UPS because they brought the payroll in late for mailing? I think this is what they are referring to. Heck, it is hard to follow that thread .... it is over 200 posts now.
KC
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Government regulation (city, county, state, federal) and employees that would not show up to ship a machine but always show up to get their paycheck made me think twice about working 100 hours a week and close. that was seven permanent high technology jobs, about 125,000 in sales tax and over three million dollars coming into the local economy from outside sources that stopped.
Make things too difficult and the hard working guy will quit working hard..........and the not hard working guy gets hurt much worse.
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This is the attitude that makes small business owners just try to do with as few employees as possible.
As a small business owner I have found I can make the same income with many fewer employees and much less stress.
It's not just small business owners that try to do with as few employees as possible. I think almost all companies do. Isn't the cost of employees usually one of the highest recurring costs for most companis large or small?
Even more so for Government.
That the cost of the employees is the highest recurring cost for government is a given, however it appears that the government takes the opposite approach and tries to do it with as many employees as possible.
Case in point is local government road repair crews.
My oldest son came up with an invention a few years back that he wanted to sell to the state and make a fortune.
It was a "Self Standing Shovel". A shovel that you could set up around road construction sites that stood up by itself and didn't require a worker to hold it in place. :rotf:
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Dayum! That's a smart kid! Then all the state road workers would have to do is hold buckets down with their ass! :lmao:
KC
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Uh, lonestarnut has a serious detractor. I had forgotten about this little incident. Maybe someone with a mole can search it out for posting;
cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts)
Mon Aug-25-08 03:12 PM
Response to Original message
213. Weren't you the person who berated the UPS employee for doing their job?
Methinks your empathy for lowly employees only goes so far...
Hmmm was it lonestarnut or another DUmmie that berated that poor girl at the UPS because they brought the payroll in late for mailing? I think this is what they are referring to. Heck, it is hard to follow that thread .... it is over 200 posts now.
KC
That WAS her! :lmao:
Fight at the UPS store! (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,9964.0.html)
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Uh, lonestarnut has a serious detractor. I had forgotten about this little incident. Maybe someone with a mole can search it out for posting;
cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts)
Mon Aug-25-08 03:12 PM
Response to Original message
213. Weren't you the person who berated the UPS employee for doing their job?
Methinks your empathy for lowly employees only goes so far...
Hmmm was it lonestarnut or another DUmmie that berated that poor girl at the UPS because they brought the payroll in late for mailing? I think this is what they are referring to. Heck, it is hard to follow that thread .... it is over 200 posts now.
KC
That WAS her! :lmao:
Fight at the UPS store! (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,9964.0.html)
There is no bottom when it comes to the depths of their hypocricy. :rotf:
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My oldest son came up with an invention a few years back that he wanted to sell to the state and make a fortune.
It was a "Self Standing Shovel". A shovel that you could set up around road construction sites that stood up by itself and didn't require a worker to hold it in place.
Good idea. That would give the ghost employees something to do.
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Uh, lonestarnut has a serious detractor. I had forgotten about this little incident. Maybe someone with a mole can search it out for posting;
cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts)
Mon Aug-25-08 03:12 PM
Response to Original message
213. Weren't you the person who berated the UPS employee for doing their job?
Methinks your empathy for lowly employees only goes so far...
Hmmm was it lonestarnut or another DUmmie that berated that poor girl at the UPS because they brought the payroll in late for mailing? I think this is what they are referring to. Heck, it is hard to follow that thread .... it is over 200 posts now.
KC
That WAS her! :lmao:
Fight at the UPS store! (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,9964.0.html)
You can't make this stuff up! And, you can't fix stupid. :-) *Thank you to Ron White*
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I got 19 days of annual vacation and 13 dats of sick leave a year.
yeah...........yeah............I'm a goverment employee
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I got 19 days of annual vacation and 13 dats of sick leave a year.
yeah...........yeah............I'm a goverment employee
I wish I could get just ONE dat of sick leave. What is that ..... like a week per dat?! :tongue:
KC