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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: asdf2231 on August 23, 2008, 04:04:46 PM
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Rising Phoenix (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-23-08 04:47 PM
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my therapist told me to quit DU
Advertisements [?]also.....as I was in the hospital for a few weeks.....I missed two DBT groups, I then missed one because my masshealth ride never showed......out of my control......missed last week, because I went on vaca ( which sucked) but I had told her about that absence months ago.....I am now on probation, must do extra work and write an apology to the DBT group for my absensee.......If I don't they won't treat me at all.....I was told when I joined DBT I could quit at anytime......when I tried to quit they told me they would not treat me at all if I didn't partake......
nomad1776 (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-23-08 04:49 PM
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1. Get a new therapist
what a quack! saying you should quit DU, did he give a reason?
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Rising Phoenix (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-23-08 04:50 PM
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2. she said you weren't "real"
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Rising Phoenix (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-23-08 04:50 PM
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3. I am in the process of looking for one
:rotf:
DU is now OFFICIALLY bad for your mental health...
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We could have saved that DUmmie a LOT of money and told her the same thing the shrink did. :-)
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We could have saved that DUmmie a LOT of money and told her the same thing the shrink did. :-)
But it sounds so much better when a medical professional says it! :evillaugh: :rotf: :lmao: :evillaugh: :lmao:
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We could have saved that DUmmie a LOT of money and told her the same thing the shrink did. :-)
But it sounds so much better when a medical professional says it! :evillaugh: :rotf: :lmao: :evillaugh: :lmao:
I agree...but the DUmmie won't listen to the shrink and will instead listen to other DUmmies who will tell her to drop her Doc...accuse the Shrink of working for Teh Rove and cite all kinds of bullshit claiming this is just more "proof" that we need socialized medicine.
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-23-08 05:34 PM
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14. Oh, mine said that too ...
Said that DU makes me too angry.
Therapists aren't all-knowing.
I explained that *DU* does not making me angry. Stupid people make me angry, and I refuse to sit here in my chair in my apartment and ignore that stupid people are running this country.
"You should work on yourself a little more."
What does that even mean?
Screw the therapist (not literally).
I get "pissed" a lot when I'm reading DU, and I get into it with people who pull my triggers, but they are real people with real concerns, and they represent the real world. If it weren't for DU, I'd either be willfully ignorant or just pent up with an ill-defined rage and no outlet.
:rotf: :lmao: :loser: :evillaugh:
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If it weren't for DU, I'd either be willfully ignorant or just pent up with an ill-defined rage and no outlet.
Good thing for DU -- now you are BOTH.
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14. Oh, mine said that too ...
Like my Aunt Sissy always said, "If two people tell you you're sick, lie down!"
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$kinner must be so proud. :whatever:
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sfexpat2000 (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-23-08 05:55 PM
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19. I'd put that therapist on probation for using punishment
where communication would work.
But, I'm not qualified to give medical advice.
I would call this a world-class understatement.
Sort of surprising, too, since not long ago she was an authority on treating diseases of the pancreas.
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For finding and posting this thread you get a,
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n104/tuolumnejim/pewter_trophy_lrg.jpg) :-) :lmao: :rotf: :cheersmate:
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I had no idea what DBT group was so I looked it up.....
An Overview of Dialectical Behaviour Therapy in the Treatment of Borderline Personality Disorder
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by Barry Kiehn and Michaela Swales
Patients showing the features of Borderline Personality Disorder as defined in DSM-IV are notoriously difficult to treat (Linehan 1993a). They are difficult to keep in therapy, frequently fail to respond to our therapeutic efforts and make considerable demands on the emotional resources of the therapist, particular when suicidal and parasuicidal behaviours are prominent.
Dialectical Behaviour Therapy is an innovative method of treatment that has been developed specifically to treat this difficult group of patients in a way which is optimistic and which preserves the morale of the therapist.
The technique has been devised by Marsha Linehan at the University of Washington in Seattle and its effectiveness has been demonstrated in a controlled study, the results of which will be summarised later in this paper.
BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER
Dialectical Behaviour Therapy is based on a bio-social theory of borderline personality disorder. Linehan hypothesises that the disorder is a consequence of an emotionally vulnerable individual growing up within a particular set of environmental circumstances which she refers to as the 'Invalidating Environment'.
An 'emotionally vulnerable' person in this sense is someone whose autonomic nervous system reacts excessively to relatively low levels of stress and takes longer than normal to return to baseline once the stress is removed. It is proposed that this is the consequence of a biological diathesis.
(much much much more at link) http://priory.com/dbt.htm
What this says is that they are a special group designed to keep their therapists from killing them or committing suicide because they are so insane and needy.
:mental:
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BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER
Calling the kooks at the DUmp "borderline" when it comes to how crazy and stupid they are is being polite.
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They all do take great pleasure in their insanity. :mental:
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Aha.
RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-23-08 05:34 PM
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14. Oh, mine said that too ...
Said that DU makes me too angry.
Therapists aren't all-knowing.
I explained that *DU* does not making me angry. Stupid people make me angry,
I'll bet the RoyBGivinMe primitive is angry all the time, then, hanging out on Skins's island.
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Aha.
RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-23-08 05:34 PM
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14. Oh, mine said that too ...
Said that DU makes me too angry.
Therapists aren't all-knowing.
I explained that *DU* does not making me angry. Stupid people make me angry,
I'll bet the RoyBGivinMe primitive is angry all the time, then, hanging out on Skins's island.
"His" name is an acronym for the colors of the rainbow,nuff said.
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14. Oh, mine said that too ...
Said that DU makes me too angry.
Therapists aren't all-knowing.
I explained that *DU* does not making me angry. Stupid people make me angry, and I refuse to sit here in my chair in my apartment and ignore that stupid people are running this country.
"You should work on yourself a little more."
What does that even mean?
Screw the therapist (not literally).
I get "pissed" a lot when I'm reading DU, and I get into it with people who pull my triggers, but they are real people with real concerns, and they represent the real world. If it weren't for DU, I'd either be willfully ignorant or just pent up with an ill-defined rage and no outlet.
*DU* does not making me angry
his parents R not making him dumStupid people make me angry
Like, maybe the majority at DU?
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I don't have much to contribute to this thread, except for.... :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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sfexpat2000 (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-23-08 05:55 PM
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19. I'd put that therapist on probation for using punishment
where communication would work.
But, I'm not qualified to give medical advice.
It's not punishment ya dumbass, it's called a "contract", and your fellow DUmmy violated it. Clients like this have to come to the realization that behavior has consequences, and the world does not stop and start at their whim. By validating their behavior, you're part of the problem by feeding into their neurosis.
Which is exactly why this person's therapist told them to stay the **** away from you.
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I thought this crackpot sounded familiar...
Rising Phoenix (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-25-08 03:16 PM
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I think its time for a new therapist....again. I got put on "probation" ****ing probation.....for missing too many sessions....appareantly being in the hospital, almost dying, and horrible infections are not reason enough to miss. At one point my rash was so bad I couldn't put any clothes on without pain, and had to lie in bed naked....she says I should have found a way to make it. Today I went, despite horrible allergies ( brought an entire box of Kleenex) and back pain that makes it hard to breathe ( because of the rash and how sensitve it has made my skin, I still can not wear a bra and it is causing major problems for my back) I"m just so pissed, if anyone should understand illness, it should be a doctor, and, in my opinion, especially a therapist whom I talk to all the time about my ailments and how they effect me. Am I over reacting....or is it time for a new tdoc?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x7598977
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I wonder if this is the new therapist or yet another doctor...
Rising Phoenix (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-10-07 05:46 PM
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I'm changing docs. I've mentioned in the past problems with my pdoc....so that is very positive, to be getting a new one, and one closer to home at that.
But I am also switching therapist....a big step as I really liked her. But I missed two appts, one because I didn't have a ride, and one because my agoraphobia was really bad....she called and said she understood but its all about the money....which is bullshit because I cancel like an hour before so mass health still pays her....just hit me the wrong way....
so my new doc sounds really nice, I talked to her on the phone....wish me luck and send good vibes!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=276x6338
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"Rising Phoenix", based on what a brief perusal of its DU postings, REALLY needs to take a break from the internet. They are one ****ed up camper.
I'm not gonna link to the posts, because they frequently discuss things that should never be discussed outside a family or medical situation.
Predictably the other member of the hive just further encourage the destructive behaviour.
Sitting in ones basement, talking about just how ****ed up their life with a bunch of other crackpots, while clearly being unable to correctly follow their medication procedure (either by over or under use) is plain idiotic. Its doctor was right on the money when they told them to not go there, and it would do really well to listen to that doctor not the other substance abusing, whackjobs that reside at DU.
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"Rising Phoenix", based on what a brief perusal of its DU postings, REALLY needs to take a break from the internet. They are one ****ed up camper.
I'm not gonna link to the posts, because they frequently discuss things that should never be discussed outside a family or medical situation.
Google counted the word "therapist" 180 times in threads that R-P had posts in. :mental:
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I have often wondered how many DUmmies are in therapy. Although I would never criticize someone making an effort to improve themselves, I will criticize someone who thinks they know better than a trained professional, and who accepts the counsel of other depressed and psychotic people.
We have seen DUmmies encourage each other to divorce spouses on political grounds. We have seen them urge each other to disown family members based on politics. Now, the same people are dispensing mental health advice. These people deserve one another, but none of us in the real world deserve them.
DUmmies, stay away from me, my family, and my friends. You are insane.
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"Rising Phoenix", based on what a brief perusal of its DU postings, REALLY needs to take a break from the internet. They are one ****ed up camper.
I'm not gonna link to the posts, because they frequently discuss things that should never be discussed outside a family or medical situation.
Google counted the word "therapist" 180 times in threads that R-P had posts in. :mental:
.....and 239 hits on "doctor" in the same context :rotf:
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I checked out DU.
After about an hour of reading there, I came to the conclusion that most of them are in need of some sort mental health counseling.
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I checked out DU.
After about an hour of reading there, I came to the conclusion that most of them are in need of some sort mental health counseling.
If you read that place long enough it will be YOU that needs the therapy.
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"Rising Phoenix", based on what a brief perusal of its DU postings, REALLY needs to take a break from the internet. They are one ****ed up camper.
One needs to remember that Rising Phoenix is the poster formerly knows as Mrs Sniffa - a secondary search under that moniker will bring you an avalanche of references. The whole situation that led to her current situation is pretty much posted on DU and it is a big hearty bowl of messed up. At times I feel bad for her.
Anyway - I agree, a break from all of the internets would do her a world of good - especially sites like DU.
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Damn good find Chris. And I didn't know that was the former Mrs. Sniffa. Explains a LOT.
I wonder how much of our tax dollars go to these therapy sessions that the members of DU seem to hate?
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I think 100% of her problems would be solved by kicking Sniffa and Bibaby in the balls. :hammer: Well that and massize doses of Thorazine.
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I think 100% of her problems would be solved by kicking Sniffa and Bibaby in the balls. :hammer: Well that and massize doses of Thorazine.
Or, just a massive dose of 00 buckshot from a 12 gauge.
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This shit can be linked to that Universal Healthcare bouncy. Healthcare isn't free. SOMEONE has to pay for it. The ONLY things in this country that should be free are the things that do NOT take from others. You need a doctor, he has to spend his time and experience treating you. Oh, the government pays for it? They get their money from ME.
Look DUmbasses, from what I've read of you idiots, you're all a buncha Damn hypochondriacs who will break the ****ing system. Get off your lazy asses and do for yourself. "I" don't owe you a ****ING thing nor does anyone else. You were born. Step up to the Damn plate or put a bullet through your ****ing head. :censored:
Sorry for the profanity.
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H5 man.
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H5 man.
+1
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You were born. Step up to the Damn plate or put a bullet through your ****ing head
You SO do not understand the "Entitlement Generation," Reb. You are born and the world owes YOU.
Didn't your mama and papa teach you anything? Oh wait, if you are like most of us, your mama and papa taught you that you have to WORK to get things.
I guess they were suckers, just like you, me, and almost everyone on this board.
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I think 100% of her problems would be solved by kicking Sniffa and Bibaby in the balls. :hammer: Well that and massize doses of Thorazine.
Or, just a massive dose of 00 buckshot from a 12 gauge.
Or something I would like to see just about all of the DUmp use as a source. :-)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n104/tuolumnejim/Die-Razor_Method.jpg)
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sfexpat2000 (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-23-08 05:55 PM
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19. I'd put that therapist on probation for using punishment
where communication would work.
But, I'm not qualified to give medical advice.
It's not punishment ya dumbass, it's called a "contract", and your fellow DUmmy violated it. Clients like this have to come to the realization that behavior has consequences, and the world does not stop and start at their whim. By validating their behavior, you're part of the problem by feeding into their neurosis.
Which is exactly why this person's therapist told them to stay the **** away from you.
That's exactly what I was thinking dandi. We can assume the therapist figured out that DU is a huge trigger for this dummie. So you remove the trigger you remove or shorten whatever episode this dummie may happen to be in.....in other words...common sense! :lmao: :cheersmate:
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Since liberals like to put warning labels on everything, mostly because they're to stupid to take care of themselves, maybe the DUmp should carry a warning label?
"WARNING, DUMPING MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR MENTAL HEALTH"
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DBT?
This?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_behavioral_therapy
Dialectical behavioral therapy (DBT) is a psychological method developed by Marsha M. Linehan to treat persons with borderline personality disorder (BPD).[1] Research indicates its application to also be effective in treating patients who represent varied symptoms and behaviors associated with spectrum mood disorders, including self-injury.[2] Key elements DBT practitioners emphasize include, behaviorist theory, dialectics, cognitive therapy, and, DBT's central component, mindfulness.
There are two essential parts of the treatment, and without either of these parts the therapy is not considered "DBT adherent."
1. An individual component in which the therapist and client discuss issues that come up during the week, recorded on diary cards and follow a treatment target hierarchy. Self-injurious and suicidal behaviors take first priority, followed by therapy interfering behaviors. Then there are quality of life issues and finally working towards improving one's life generally. During the individual therapy, the therapist and client work towards improving skill use. Often, skills group is discussed and obstacles to acting skillfully are addressed.
2. The group, which ordinarily meets once weekly for two to two-and-a-half hours, learns to use specific skills that are broken down into four modules: core mindfulness skills, emotion regulation skills, interpersonal effectiveness skills and distress tolerance skills.
http://www.palace.net/~llama/psych/dbt.html
....and you DUmbasses think conservatives are the ones with problems. :whatever:
Are ALL of you ****ing nuts? Nevermind, rhetorical. (http://www.joshfeinman.com/gifsjpgs/NEWS_Woodcock.jpg)
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DBT?
This?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_behavioral_therapy
Dialectical behavioral therapy (DBT) is a psychological method developed by Marsha M. Linehan to treat persons with borderline personality disorder (BPD).[1] Research indicates its application to also be effective in treating patients who represent varied symptoms and behaviors associated with spectrum mood disorders, including self-injury.[2] Key elements DBT practitioners emphasize include, behaviorist theory, dialectics, cognitive therapy, and, DBT's central component, mindfulness.
There are two essential parts of the treatment, and without either of these parts the therapy is not considered "DBT adherent."
1. An individual component in which the therapist and client discuss issues that come up during the week, recorded on diary cards and follow a treatment target hierarchy. Self-injurious and suicidal behaviors take first priority, followed by therapy interfering behaviors. Then there are quality of life issues and finally working towards improving one's life generally. During the individual therapy, the therapist and client work towards improving skill use. Often, skills group is discussed and obstacles to acting skillfully are addressed.
2. The group, which ordinarily meets once weekly for two to two-and-a-half hours, learns to use specific skills that are broken down into four modules: core mindfulness skills, emotion regulation skills, interpersonal effectiveness skills and distress tolerance skills.
http://www.palace.net/~llama/psych/dbt.html
....and you DUmbasses think conservatives are the ones with problems. :whatever:
Are ALL of you ******* nuts? Nevermind, rhetorical. (http://www.joshfeinman.com/gifsjpgs/NEWS_Woodcock.jpg)
Wonderful !......now explain to me what all that BS is supposed to mean.
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Wonderful !......now explain to me what all that BS is supposed to mean.
DU OP:
Rising Phoenix (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-23-08 04:47 PM
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my therapist told me to quit DU
Advertisements [?]also.....as I was in the hospital for a few weeks.....I missed two DBT groups, I then missed one because my masshealth ride never showed......out of my control......missed last week, because I went on vaca ( which sucked) but I had told her about that absence months ago.....I am now on probation, must do extra work and write an apology to the DBT group for my absensee.......If I don't they won't treat me at all.....I was told when I joined DBT I could quit at anytime......when I tried to quit they told me they would not treat me at all if I didn't partake......
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REBEL---I meant explain the following BS.
Dialectical behavioral therapy (DBT) is a psychological method developed by Marsha M. Linehan to treat persons with borderline personality disorder (BPD).[1] Research indicates its application to also be effective in treating patients who represent varied symptoms and behaviors associated with spectrum mood disorders, including self-injury.[2] Key elements DBT practitioners emphasize include, behaviorist theory, dialectics, cognitive therapy, and, DBT's central component, mindfulness.
There are two essential parts of the treatment, and without either of these parts the therapy is not considered "DBT adherent."
1. An individual component in which the therapist and client discuss issues that come up during the week, recorded on diary cards and follow a treatment target hierarchy. Self-injurious and suicidal behaviors take first priority, followed by therapy interfering behaviors. Then there are quality of life issues and finally working towards improving one's life generally. During the individual therapy, the therapist and client work towards improving skill use. Often, skills group is discussed and obstacles to acting skillfully are addressed.
2. The group, which ordinarily meets once weekly for two to two-and-a-half hours, learns to use specific skills that are broken down into four modules: core mindfulness skills, emotion regulation skills, interpersonal effectiveness skills and distress tolerance skills.
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Rising Phoenix (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-23-08 04:47 PM
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my therapist told me to quit DU
Advertisements [?]also.....as I was in the hospital for a few weeks.....I missed two DBT groups, I then missed one because my masshealth ride never showed......out of my control......missed last week, because I went on vaca( which sucked) but I had told her about that absence months ago.....I am now on probation, must do extra work and write an apology to the DBT group for my absensee.......If I don't they won't treat me at all.....I was told when I joined DBT I could quit at anytime......when I tried to quit they told me they would not treat me at all if I didn't partake......
So much stupid...
1) You've missed 4 DBT groups by my calculation. Two, then one (excuse made) , then "last week" ... yet you think you are still worth "treating" ? Do ,me a favor and :censored: :censored: yourself.
2) You complain that if you don't show up for treatment , then they won't treat you. Not being able to figure out the logical disconnect there is ****ing insane and anyone that is even close to rational knows it.
3) If you quit the program are you not indicating that you don't want treatment. Complaining that they don't treat you when you've withdrawn from treatment is ****ing insane.
Excuse the language.
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Rising Phoenix (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-23-08 04:47 PM
Original message
my therapist told me to quit DU
Advertisements [?]also.....as I was in the hospital for a few weeks.....I missed two DBT groups, I then missed one because my masshealth ride never showed......out of my control......missed last week, because I went on vaca( which sucked) but I had told her about that absence months ago.....I am now on probation, must do extra work and write an apology to the DBT group for my absensee.......If I don't they won't treat me at all.....I was told when I joined DBT I could quit at anytime......when I tried to quit they told me they would not treat me at all if I didn't partake......
So much stupid...
1) You've missed 4 DBT groups by my calculation. Two, then one (excuse made) , then "last week" ... yet you think you are still worth "treating" ? Do ,me a favor and :censored: :censored: yourself.
2) You complain that if you don't show up for treatment , then they won't treat you. Not being able to figure out the logical disconnect there is ******* insane and anyone that is even close to rational knows it.
3) If you quit the program are you not indicating that you don't want treatment. Complaining that they don't treat you when you've withdrawn from treatment is ******* insane.
Excuse the language.
It is the perfect example though of DUmmythink..
They should get what they want,when they want at no effort of their own with everyone feeling as sorry for them as they do for themselves.
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After the wiki explanation I'm assuming DU is considered 'therapy interfering' because like Toast and others said earlier it constantly triggers episodes for this individual. Basically this DUer knows that forum is a trigger and willfully sets it off every time against he better judgement of his/her therapist. DUers like this one seem to forget that's what therapy and treatment is all about if it is working--you will hear things you won't like to here and suggestions that are going to take you out of your comfort zone. That's the whole point of therapy to get you either past those things or to give you the tools you need to navigate life and trigger issues. The therapist is there to help you see the things you can not or refuse to see/address like well that DU is maybe not healthy for you in your present mental health situation. :thatsright:
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After the wiki explanation I'm assuming DU is considered 'therapy interfering' because like Toast and others said earlier it constantly triggers episodes for this individual. Basically this DUer knows that forum is a trigger and willfully sets it off every time against he better judgement of his/her therapist. DUers like this one seem to forget that's what therapy and treatment is all about if it is working--you will hear things you won't like to here and suggestions that are going to take you out of your comfort zone. That's the whole point of therapy to get you either past those things or to give you the tools you need to navigate life and trigger issues. The therapist is there to help you see the things you can not or refuse to see/address like well that DU is maybe not healthy for you in your present mental health situation. :thatsright:
Yup. Some people drink, some people take drugs, and some people overeat. DUmmies read and post on DU. There is no difference whatsoever.
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Well the insane person is always the last to find out.
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This falls on the DUH! Bin. :thatsright: It does not take a shrink to even know that DU is bad for your mental health. Just going there is enough to make you gouge your eyes out.