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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Servonaut on August 21, 2008, 02:00:34 PM
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Texas Explorer (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-08 01:23 PM
Original message
NIST WTC 7 Investigation Finds Building Fires Caused Collapse (Added link)
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 01:38 PM by Texas Explorer
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc082108.h...
GAITHERSBURG, Md.—The fall of the 47-story World Trade Center building 7 (WTC 7) in New York City late in the afternoon of Sept. 11, 2001, was primarily due to fires, the Commerce Department’s National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) announced today following an extensive, three-year scientific and technical building and fire safety investigation. This was the first known instance of fire causing the total collapse of a tall building, the agency stated as it released for public comment its WTC investigation report and 13 recommendations for improving building and fire safety.
“Our study found that the fires in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event,†said NIST WTC Lead Investigator Shyam Sunder. “Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.â€
“Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oil fires played a role in the collapse of WTC 7,†Sunder said. The NIST investigation team also determined that other elements of the building’s construction—namely trusses, girders and cantilever overhangs that were used to transfer loads from the building superstructure to the columns of the electric substation (over which WTC 7 was constructed) and foundation below—did not play a significant role in the collapse.
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It's a very long post
cat_girl25 (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-08 01:26 PM
Response to Original message
1. Sorry, I don't buy that. nt
truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Me either....
no limit (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-08 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. Right. And what makes you an expert in this regard?
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 01:31 PM by no limit
The fact that you read some blogs?
Liberals are supposed to believe in science. But I love how people like you can discount it when it doesn't fit your narrow agenda, just like creationists do.
Plus I love your objective mind on this matter. You posted this 3 minutes after the OP. You must be a really quick reader.
cat_girl25 (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-08 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. It's my opinion and I have no agenda.
Take a pill.
no limit (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-08 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. You didn't even read the OP, so what are you basing your opinion on?
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 01:33 PM by no limit
You posted 3 minutes after the OP did. There is no way in hell you read all that in 1 or 2 minutes. That means you do have an agenda and you will not look at this objectively. If its not a conspiracy it simply wont work for you.
It's on the same level as a creationist not accepting any science that doesn't say "God did it". Congratulations.
cat_girl25 (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-08 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #15
89. No, I didn't read the OP but it was on cspan earlier.
So you're wrong. I have no agenda.
Next.
Howardx (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #6
18. only 3 posts
before someone feels the need to support the bush administration's version of the events on 9/11
no limit (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-08 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. I love this straw man. With people like you here this place feels like the free republic
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 01:35 PM by no limit
did you even read the OP or did you not bother to like cat_girl didn't?
Howardx (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-08 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. i have no idea what cat girl did or didnt do
i do know that by belittling the concerns of people who dont believe the official story you are doing the bush administration's work for them.
no limit (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-08 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. And I know that people like you make all of us look bad Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 01:43 PM by no limit
this is not about the story of the administration, this is about the NIST report. You can not disprove anything this report stated, a report that thousands of people and many different independent organizations worked on. All you can say is "I dont buy it, this is a government conspiracy". If you don't see how absolutely insane that is I can't help you. But there is a reason the mods here continue to delete these threads, because everyone thinks you guys are crazy.
And you didn't answer my question. Did you read the OP or not?
Soon to be moved to the dungeon. :-)
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Bring out the chicken wire, cinder blocks, and kerosine!!!1111!!!!
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You'll never sell this study to the democrats of Collier County, Texas.
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If someone came out with a investigation that said that mutant turtles injected with explosives did it those morons would believe it without a doubt. :whatever:
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If someone came out with a investigation that said that mutant turtles injected with explosives did it those morons would believe it without a doubt. :whatever:
calling Mr. Snuggle Bunny and the BNN news team!
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Into the dungeon we go. :rotf:
Texas Explorer (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-08 03:43 PM
Original message
NIST WTC 7 Investigation Finds Building Fires Caused Collapse (Added link)
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 01:38 PM by Texas Explorer
This topic has been moved by the moderator of this forum.
It can be found at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x219902
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If someone came out with a investigation that said that mutant turtles injected with explosives did it those morons would believe it without a doubt. :whatever:
calling Mr. Snuggle Bunny and the BNN news team!
Already on it!
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,11896.0.html
This is HUGH!
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It's the first time in history fire melted steel. And it was number 7, that's like a lucky number, how could it have just collapsed?
So, it is the first time in history fire melted steel and something bad happened to the lucky number 7.
Total conspiracy.