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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CC27 on August 20, 2018, 07:12:08 AM
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Doodley (3,535 posts)
Is it possible that Trump is innocent?
Based on his behavior alone, I personally don't think it is possible Trump is innocent. His own words and actions show he is as guilty as Hell of something that is so heinous that he is desperate to go to extreme lengths to conceal it.
I hope Mueller finds the witnesses and the paper trail that are needed to convince at least some of the GOP and some Republican supporters, but Trump's own actions, that we can all see, point in only one direction.
1/ His constant insults (such as worse than McCarthy), his attacks (witch hunt) and lies (17 Angry Democrats) about Mueller and the Russia probe, including labeling as "fake news' all media that supports a lawful investigation initiated by a Republican deputy AG, nominated in 2017 by Trump himself. If Trump was innocent, he would not feel the need to do this.
2/ His continual praise of Putin, while simultaneously attacking and insulting our closest strategic and economic allies. This shows his loyalty to Putin are above his loyalty to our staunchest friends.
3/ His reticence to sign into law sanctions against Russia, and his lack of initiative to take serious action against Russia for their involvement in the 2016 election, and to protect us from further interference. Why would the man who is supposed to defend America fail to do this, unless his loyalty was first and foremost to Putin?
4/ His constant attempts to undermine and politicize the Justice Department, including the Attorney General and FBI, including verbal attacks, public humiliations and firings, as well as undermining and contradicting the CIA and its assessment of the 2016 election. Again, these are not the actions of an innocent man.
5/ His constant lies about the Trump Tower meeting, his business dealings in Russia, his Russian contacts, his firing of Comey, and his game-playing about an interview with Mueller, not to mention the sheer number of staff around him with Russian contacts. No innocent man would do any of this.
For these reasons, I go well beyond thinking it is probable Trump is innocent. I think it is impossible Trump is innocent. It isn't possible that an innocent man behaves in this way. But what are his crimes? We do not know for sure, but I fear they are more serious than most of us think.
However, it seems that Trump is determined to destroy America as we know it from within. Heads of departments - education, housing, health, environment, all seem to have expressed desires to destroy the very purpose of those departments and the benefits that they deliver. The economic policy is to explode the debt (something that was a central GOP attack point against Obama) and to reward only the wealthiest. Trump's tariff war can only end badly, and already we are seeing a negative impact across the economy and some factories have closed or are planning to move manufacturing plants out of America. We are becoming more divided racially as well as economically. Trump seems to want to start a race war, scapegoating minorities by singling out blacks and attacking their imagined low IQ's or supposed lack of patriotism. Trump is after all, the man who rose to political power on Birtherism and an ambition to scapegoat Mexicans and ban all Muslims.
We are no longer the world leader that we were compared to just two years ago when Obama was president. Relations with the rest of the world and approval in other nations have plummeted to levels not seen since polling began.
We are now a nation that is seen as wanting to shut people out based on their religion. Our president insults our allies and lies about what they say. International agreements on Iran, climate and trade have been ripped up as far as America's contribution is concerned, with no suggestions of alternatives. We are now isolationists, happy to let other nations take the lead. The UN and NATO have been undermined and insulted. Trump looks like the treasurer of a club asking that everyone pay their dues, but he has no vision of what the club can actually do and has no intention of being engaged. Our humanitarian and environmental efforts have been reduced and Trump's immigration policy have all helped to give us a bad name the world over.
It is as though "Make America Great Again" was all part of an inside joke, as if Putin knew that everything that would happen would make America worse. It has been said many times, perhaps in jest, but it seems that Trump really is Putin's puppet. Putin is the winner of everything Trump does and America is the loser.
Do I think it possible Trump is innocent? No, because I don't think it possible this all happens through stupidity. Even Trump isn't that stupid.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211021749
That is too much DUmmie babble for me to read. :-)
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Response to Doodley (Original post)Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:16 AM
Star Member wishstar (2,644 posts)
20. I believe Trump will claim innocence and shift all blame to Manafort,Stone,Cohen etc.
so I doubt any pardons are forthcoming until Trump can target scapegoats to blame for his and Don Jr and Kushner's involvement in Russian collusion.
I believe Trump will profess innocence and shift all blame to Cankles, Wasserman Schultz, Strzok, Comey, Mueller, McCabe, Rosenstein and others.
And Trump will prevail.
So suck on that DUmmies.
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What part of Mueller removing, reinstalling the goal posts, and changing the game over and over don't you idiots understand?
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DUmp posts like this are the reason why you should put your stock money in psychotropic medications. :-)
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>Do I think it possible Trump is innocent? No
I think, therefore I am neurons ahead of your democrat scrum.
Keep following your socialist democrat filth. Retard.
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1/ His constant insults (such as worse than McCarthy), his attacks (witch hunt) and lies (17 Angry Democrats) about Mueller and the Russia probe, including labeling as "fake news' all media that supports a lawful investigation initiated by a Republican deputy AG, nominated in 2017 by Trump himself. If Trump was innocent, he would not feel the need to do this.
I put in bold the important part.
Maybe Trump directed AG sessions to initiate an investigation knowing nothing would be found and to distract the unhinged left like using laser pointer to distract a cat. Have fun thinking about that DUmmies.
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