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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on July 30, 2018, 12:11:17 PM
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https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/even-libertarians-admit-medicare-for-all-would-save-trillions/
Oh my.
As I thought, the gimme crowd really does believe unicorns shit dollars.
UnicornOnTheCob (1960 posts) July 30, 2018 at 9:59 am
Even Libertarians Admit Medicare for All Would Save Trillions
But the real game here for Mercatus is to bury the money-saving finding in the report’s tables while headlining the incomprehensibly large $32.6 trillion number in order to trick dim reporters into splashing that number everywhere and freaking out. This is a strategy that already appears to be working, as the Associated Press headline reads: “Study: ‘Medicare for all’ projected to cost $32.6 trillion.”
Messaging strategy aside, there is room to quibble with Blahous’s positive findings. He assumes administrative costs will only drop from 13 percent to 6 percent for those currently privately insured. But, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, Medicare’s administrative costs have consistently been below 2 percent. He assumes utilization of health services will increase by 11 percent, but aggregate health service utilization is ultimately dependent on the capacity to provide services, meaning utilization could hit a hard limit below the level he projects.
But even if you take the report’s headline figures at face value, the picture it paints is that of an enormous bargain. We get to insure every single person in the country, virtually eliminate cost-sharing, and save everyone from the hell of constantly changing health insurance all while saving money. You would have to be a fool to pass that offer up.
Bruenig is correct about the media reaction to the Koch funded study which is designed to paint single payer healthcare as impossibly expensive:
CBS News: Study: “Medicare for all” plan touted by Bernie Sanders would cost $32.6 trillion
The Hill: Bernie Sanders’s ‘Medicare for all’ would cost $32.6 trillion: study
Fox News: Bernie Sanders’ ‘Medicare for all’ bill estimated to cost $32.6T, new study says
Bloomberg: ‘Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says
Market Watch: House Republican campaign chairman says government shutdown unlikely | Sanders’ ‘Medicare for all’ plan projected to cost more than $32 trillion
The Columbus Dispatch: Study: ‘Medicare for all’ projected to cost $32.6 trillion
Axios: Bernie’s “Medicare for All” predicted to cost nearly $33 trillion
Newsday: Study: ‘Medicare for all’ bill estimated at $32.6 trillion
Boston Globe: There’s now a price tag for ‘Medicare for all’: $32.6 trillion
ABC News: Study: ‘Medicare for all’ projected to cost $32.6 trillion
But you shouldn’t worry that two oil billionaires fund think tanks who exist to crank out studies that the media parrots to convince voters that they can’t afford to make sure everyone in the country has health care. You should be more worried about Russia than the fact that a right wing Supreme Court has decided that money is speech.
And this isn’t just rabid right wingers and libertarians – it’s also the neoliberals. The Center for American Progress, who is funded by billionaires and undisclosed corporations is doing the same thing. The media was just as eager to tout their policy paper on Medicare Extra for All, which has the same goal as the Koch study – to kill single payer healthcare for all citizens.
Los Angeles Times: Finally, a universal healthcare proposal that would work for everyone
New York Magazine: Medicare for All Won’t Bring Medicare to All
CBS News: Liberal group rolls out Medicare Extra for All proposal
Chicago Tribune: Leading liberal policy group unveils ‘coverage for all’ plan
The Hill: Center for American Progress’ health care plan does have real merit
New York Daily News: Leading liberal policy group unveils ‘coverage for all’ plan
Which billionaire backed plan to kill single payer would you prefer the “real” news to cover?
Bruenig points out, even while churning out propaganda, it’s impossible to refute that single payer is a better system than what we have now. That’s the dangerous conversation that’s not allowed to exist in “legitimate” media circles – not only does single payer cover everyone, it costs less.
So.....this fails to answer the question. As usual.
How's it going to be paid for, and who's going to pay it?
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Somebody spiked their morning :stoner: with acid. I can think of no other plausible explanation for this kind of stupidity.
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Never talk bad about their sacred cows. Medicine is expensive and pot is bad for you, will get you banned at the DUmp.
KC
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Even Bernouts own Vermont could not make it work. :banghead:
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I wonder what the Skittle Pooping Unicorn's CPUSA membership card number is?
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If some report, or even the gov't, says it's going to cost $32.6 trillion over 10 years, count on it at least being $97.8 trillion without blinking an eye.
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If some report, or even the gov't, says it's going to cost $32.6 trillion over 10 years, count on it at least being $97.8 trillion without blinking an eye.
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The report I read said the $32T was a "conservative" estimate. You're estimate is probably more accurate.
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If some report, or even the gov't, says it's going to cost $32.6 trillion over 10 years, count on it at least being $97.8 trillion without blinking an eye.
When has such a thing not happened?
Anybody know?
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When has such a thing not happened?
Anybody know?
F-16 Falcon
F-35 Strike Eagle
SR-71 Blackbird
Other than the milcraft designed in the 1970s and 1980s on the back of napkins, nothing.
And the F-35 is all the sign anyone needs that those days are over.
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F-16 Falcon
F-35 Strike Eagle
SR-71 Blackbird
Other than the milcraft designed in the 1970s and 1980s on the back of napkins, nothing.
And the F-35 is all the sign anyone needs that those days are over.
Ah, the F-35, nice plane ruined by Administerium.
"Let's build a new light, fast stealth fighter jet....AND make it with VSTOL capabilities for the Marines and Army AND load it up with massive landing gear to handle the controlled crash of an aircraft carrier "landing"...."
There goes your light fast stealth fighter jet.