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kgfnally (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-20-08 06:04 PM
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Credit so bad, you can't rent an apartment
Advertisements [?]What the **** is wrong with landlords?
My best friend and roommate of ten years might be homeless next week. We have to move; someone called in a false drug trafficking tip on me and my roommate, our current landlord panicked, and evicted us. We have until *a week from Friday* to leave.
No arrests were made and no charges have been filed. Yes, I got a lawyer- to the tune of a $7500 bank loan- and he's done us no good that I can discern.
In any case, I've been accepted as a tenant in a new place, but my roommate's credit is (and has been since his divorce) completely shot. They're thinking about rejecting his application to be on the lease, even though I make $50K+ a year, and can easily afford the rent for a two-bedroom place on my own. If they reject him, he can't live there, even though I can pay rent on my own. If the three-day-in-writing-turned-ten-day-long application doesn't go through for him, my best friend, the only person I can trust (including my own family), will be homeless, strictly and for no other reason than his credit score.
His credit score! And he's NOT applying for a loan- this is a roof over his head we're talking about!
This has to end. Somehow. Personally, I don't think landlords should be able to examine credit scores at all, since there's not necessarily a connection between a person's credit score and their ability to pay rent. A credit score could have been forever ruined years ago (the seven year rule be damned; we all know there's no practical truth to that)- where can such a person live?
Should I just drop him from the application and clandestinely move him in with me? THAT sets me up for being evicted when the landlord finds out he's living there. But I just cannot, I CANNOT, leave my very best friend homeless.
I guess I need some advice. The place we want to move into has dicked us around for multiples of the length of time they put in writing as being the application process. Rental applications cost cash- $20 to $25 each- and I just don't have a couple hundred extra bucks lying around to fork over, just to be told "no, sorry, you both can't live here".
Why are landlords so willing to contribute to the homeless population, anyway? Why can they? Since when is a person's credit rating connected to their ability to pay rent?
In ten years living together, we have never once been late paying rent. Tis is the first time we've been evicted, and it happened because someone called in a false anon tip to our area's drug enforcement team specifically to get us evicted.
This is wrong on so many levels, and I have very little time to deal with it. I already called the management company and left a message basically- without sayin so- begging them to accept his rental application. But- I should not have to do this!
I can pay the rent AND the bills, on my own. HE has disability income. WHY is his credit score any issue at all?
Landlords? Care to comment?
kgfnally (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-20-08 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. Answers
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 06:28 PM by kgfnally
1) We tried. The lawyer said that fighting the eviction could prompt the prosecutor to file some charge or other, even if it's bullshit, to pressure us to leave. That's SOP in this town. They gave our landlord a letter mentioning 'asset forfeiture', and he panicked. Again, this is SOP for these creeps.
2) It's a corporation that runs the place. No negotiation is possible. I might try tomorrow morning, because their offices are close by, but I sincerely doubt I'll get anywhere.
Your final paragraph: THEY KNOW I could pay the rent on my own. They've seen my pay stubs. I work for USPS, full-time, as a regular, not a casual or a part-timer. Money, quite clearly, is NOT the issue here. Perversely, I can't cosign for him, since I'm an applicant.
It feels like they just don't want low-credit tenants. That smacks of rather blatant housing discrimination. And again- what of their student tenants, who are 18-19-20 years old, and don't HAVE established credit?
Last I knew the PROSECUTORS OFFICE didn't really work hand in hand with the landlord association to help them evict people...
kgfnally (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-20-08 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. If you're not willing to take someone who makes $50K a year, and his roommate,
based on his roommate's credit, you deserve the worst publicity possible.
And, landlord credit checks SHOULD be illegal. There is not necessarily a connection between bad credit and ability to pay rent; the one does not equal the other. Things unrelated to housing can cause bad credit; as such, landlords should not be able to consider credit ratings in the first place.
kgfnally (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-20-08 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. Up until now I've been helping to keep that from happening to him.
What I don't understand is why MY income and credit isn't sufficient to cover HIM. It's not as if I can't pay the rent without him. I can.
I'm NOT willing to make my best friend part of the homeless population in this town.
He "fell" because his ex-wife wanted him gone from her life. I won't go into how it happened- that's a separate flame war in and of itself- but suffice to say that what happened to him is scary as hell, and I'm the only one willing to try to mitigate the damage.
But I feel like I've played my last card. I don't know what to do. I can't bear the thought of cutting my best friend loose to let the wind blow him where it will. I wouldn't be able to live with myself- and he very well might suicide if that happens. He's that unbalanced- because of the divorce and everything that happened at that time.
I might write another thread about his situation after this is all over with, one way or another. The sick part is- I'm NOT worried about myself. I can handle getting a new place; most landlords would kill to have me as a tenant. Unlike many renters, I have job security, I have no criminal record, and I have good credit. That's not necessarily true for all tenants, but THEY still get to have a place to live.
I'm running out of options. A cosigner for him might work, if they accept it. I'll know tomorrow.
You could fit War and Peace into the "Read between the lines" portion of this tale of woe.
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It's a BS Screed.
Number one if there exists a current lease the landlord needs to show cause for eviction. Someone says someone done did something ain't enough.Number Two unless evictions are processed duifferent in Liberalville than here in Texas their is no Prosector,it's the Tenemt,The landlord and a Justice of the peace, You can have legelrepresentation if you so desire but usually not worth the cost.
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As a landlord of several properties I can certainly answer a lot of these questions and I could give a lot of insight into this but .... I choose not to. I will answer one thing for the DUmmie though.
DUmmie, if you are lurking, reading this thread and you REALLY want to know what I think of your 50k annual salary;
SCREW THAT. I don't give a damn if you make $500,000 annually and you are trying to rent someplace the lease is $500.00/month on. What am I to do if you are making $500k and spending $510k BEFORE rent?! I have pulled credit on a BUNCH of folks simply to find out where their money is going. Capeche'? If you are spending more than you make it doesn't matter if you have a good credit score or not. My job is to protect what I have and if I pull credit I can see if you are spending more than you make. Not to mention those with low credit are usually more of a problem. It is a case by case basis though.
Oh well, that is just part of what I see here.....good luck with the rest. I might suggest you find someone renting homes rather than apartments though. You remove the corporate (zero tolerance laws) idea and can have a fresh look by an individual ...... hehe You have to get away from the liberal ideas of "it must be done this way".
KC
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And, landlord credit checks SHOULD be illegal. There is not necessarily a connection between bad credit and ability to pay rent; the one does not equal the other. Things unrelated to housing can cause bad credit; as such, landlords should not be able to consider credit ratings in the first place.
I have read some DUmb things before, but that is in the top (or bottom) 10% of the DUmbest things a DUmmy has ever said. Of COURSE there is a correlation between bad credit and paying rent -- in fact it is close to 1:1. As as soon to be landlord, if I couldn't credit check my potential tenants, I would rather allow my place to lie fallow than rent to a bad risk.
If Landlords could not run credit checks there would be NO rental property available.
These people are super morons.
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It's a BS Screed.
Number one if there exists a current lease the landlord needs to show cause for eviction. Someone says someone done did something ain't enough.Number Two unless evictions are processed duifferent in Liberalville than here in Texas their is no Prosector,it's the Tenemt,The landlord and a Justice of the peace, You can have legelrepresentation if you so desire but usually not worth the cost.
Possession of drugs, as established by using civil standards, is enough to break a lease and begin eviction. The courts in almost all jurisdictions see that as a material breach. That can make a standard stretched out eviction happen in a hurry.
Of course, civil standards are "more likely than not." Certainly an unsupported statement doesn't rise to this level, but a few incidents, a couple of neighbors willing to swear they saw a doobie or two -- more than enough.
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kgfnally (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-20-08 06:04 PM
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Credit so bad, you can't rent an apartment
Advertisements [?]What the **** is wrong with landlords?
My best friend and roommate of ten years might be homeless next week. We have to move; someone called in a false drug trafficking tip on me and my roommate, our current landlord panicked, and evicted us. We have until *a week from Friday* to leave.
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The landlord panicked ? The landlord ?
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Speaking of "panicked" , can you imagine the poor DUmmie running about trying to flush his stash when he saw the cops pull up out front :-) .
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I figure the cops got called by a neighbor who was probably sick of the contact high he was getting from the dope smoke seeping through the walls from next door.
Either that or his "Best Friend" was dealing out of the place.
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And, landlord credit checks SHOULD be illegal. There is not necessarily a connection between bad credit and ability to pay rent; the one does not equal the other. Things unrelated to housing can cause bad credit; as such, landlords should not be able to consider credit ratings in the first place.
Dumb, dumb, dumb!!!!
:banghead:
If the guy's credit is irreparable....he's probably got child support issues. It's the only thing that is insurmountable.
Even with a bankruptcy on a credit report, you can buy a house after a year, if you've brought your credit score up. Otherwise, credit can usually be straightened out within a year with on time payments, no judgements, or liens.
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And, landlord credit checks SHOULD be illegal. There is not necessarily a connection between bad credit and ability to pay rent; the one does not equal the other. Things unrelated to housing can cause bad credit; as such, landlords should not be able to consider credit ratings in the first place.
Dumb, dumb, dumb!!!!
:banghead:
If the guy's credit is irreparable....he's probably got child support issues. It's the only thing that is insurmountable.
Even with a bankruptcy on a credit report, you can buy a house after a year, if you've brought your credit score up. Otherwise, credit can usually be straightened out within a year with on time payments, no judgements, or liens.
Around here the norm is 2 yrs from date of discharge.. Naturally there are rare exceptions to the norm .Then again they will only allow the exception if you got verifiable documented support for the exception Also the exception does come with a price :evillaugh:
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In ten years living together, we have never once been late paying rent. Tis is the first time we've been evicted, and it happened because someone called in a false anon tip to our area's drug enforcement team specifically to get us evicted.
At least it hasn't claimed discrimination because they are ghey.
KC
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You need to keep in mind one of the fundamental characteristics of all DUmmies, as postulated by the inestimable franksolich: They lie, all the time, they lie. Most likely this one is the case of a couple small time weed merchants who've been tossed from their crib due to an illegal possession arrest. Now they're trying to get a new lease in the midst of an unresolved drug case. Landlords are for some reason reluctant to enter into a contract with customers who may soon be provided free room and board by the taxpayers for a few months. I have a hunch that credit scores have little, if anything, to do with this DUmmy's problems.
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In ten years living together, we have never once been late paying rent. Tis is the first time we've been evicted, and it happened because someone called in a false anon tip to our area's drug enforcement team specifically to get us evicted.
At least it hasn't claimed discrimination because they are ghey.
KC
His "roommate" is a felon. The story is that the "roommate" was sleeping on the sofa, absolutely innocently and the wife (at the time, now an ex) said that he molested his son. Then she brainwashed the son and they filed charges and "roommate" did some time I believe.
I've seen the story is various flame wars that kgfnally has started when he rails against cities imposing limits on where registered sex offenders can live.
I'm not sure if they're gay though.
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In ten years living together, we have never once been late paying rent. Tis is the first time we've been evicted, and it happened because someone called in a false anon tip to our area's drug enforcement team specifically to get us evicted.
At least it hasn't claimed discrimination because they are ghey.
KC
His "roommate" is a felon. The story is that the "roommate" was sleeping on the sofa, absolutely innocently and the wife (at the time, now an ex) said that he molested his son. Then she brainwashed the son and they filed charges and "roommate" did some time I believe.
I've seen the story is various flame wars that kgfnally has started when he rails against cities imposing limits on where registered sex offenders can live.
I'm not sure if they're gay though.
I generally don't want to make judgment calls but ..... 10 years?! TEN YEARS of living together .... I dunno. You think they are teh ghey?
KC
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In ten years living together, we have never once been late paying rent. Tis is the first time we've been evicted, and it happened because someone called in a false anon tip to our area's drug enforcement team specifically to get us evicted.
At least it hasn't claimed discrimination because they are ghey.
KC
His "roommate" is a felon. The story is that the "roommate" was sleeping on the sofa, absolutely innocently and the wife (at the time, now an ex) said that he molested his son. Then she brainwashed the son and they filed charges and "roommate" did some time I believe.
I've seen the story is various flame wars that kgfnally has started when he rails against cities imposing limits on where registered sex offenders can live.
I'm not sure if they're gay though.
I generally don't want to make judgment calls but ..... 10 years?! TEN YEARS of living together .... I dunno. You think they are teh ghey?
KC
Possibly. I don't know.
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I dunno,never have had to worry about any kind of drug trafficing charge against me and if someone did I have no worries about the outcome.
Nobody with half a brain (rules out DUmmies) would believe for a second this tale without realizing a lot has been left out.
It is classic for what a small child does when caught redhanded doing something wrong but since that is the emotional and maturity level of the primitives,no surprise.
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Nobody with half a brain (rules out DUmmies) would believe for a second this tale without realizing a lot has been left out.
Damn, you're good, sir.
In the socialist paradises of the workers and peasants with free medical care for all, you probably would've been one of those able to read between the lines, to discern what was really going on.
Keep it up!
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If in fact they are looking at a corporate owned apartment building, or any rental property that may come under the "watchful eye" of HUD....Equal Housing Opportunity states "It is illegal to discriminate against any person because of race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status, or national origin."
Anyone who publicly advertises they have a property for rent, is subject to this law.
This law protects gays, people with AIDS (it is a "protected class").
Exception to this law are housing developments specifically for people of a certain age...ie. retirement communities.
One of the ways that apartment complexes or property management companies are "propecting" themselves, is through the credit check and references. And by making all individuals living in the dwelling, on the lease, regardless of whether or not they are contributing to the rent monies.
As far as getting a mortgage loan with a bankruptcy, the shortest amount of time after the bankruptcy is 1 year. There are companies who will loan money, however it is at a much higher interest rate. Most companies will allow the borrower to refinance after 12-24 months, though some will require 36 months. They will do the refinance based on payment history, often without any other documentation.
Failure to pay child support, if filed through the court system, never comes off of a credit report. It can be a long term "kiss of death"...on the theory that if a parent will not contribute to a child's well-being, particularly when the support payment failure is documented in the court system....not only is it breaking the law, but basically the parent is considered a "dead beat" and a huge credit risk that a mortgage company is not willing to lend a large sum of money to. If the child support payment goes through the court system, many will report "lates" to the credit bureau's when the payment is more than 30 days late. It is one way the courts try to insure that payments are made. Late child support payments, even when made, will bring down a credit score. I don't know of any reputable lender who will loan money to someone who has "failed to pay child support" on their credit report. Keep in mind, payments not paid through the court system, or a spouse not reporting failure to pay to the court if the payment goes directly to spouse, are not reported to the credit bureau.
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None of this story makes any sense.
He claims that it's an unproven tip and no charges were filed, but he spent whatever savings he had, plus took a $7500 loan, to hire a lawyer? That's pretty high-price talent when no one is even accused of a crime. And later in the thread he talks about agreeing to accept his eviction during a pretrial conference. Um...trial for what? I thought no charges were filed. And he claims that his roommate still has bad credit ten years after his divorce? And that somehow his credit is so horrid that he can't even get an apartment. Gotta be more to this story...I wonder if checking the DU archives will yield any clues.
Well I'll be. There is more to the story.
They aren't roommates. They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay. He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson. Of course the charges were trumped up. But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled. He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.
Why do I think the story is more like:
The DUmmy's boyfriend was either hiding from the sex offender registry or committed another crime against a child. The cops hauled him away and as a condition of his bail he needs to vacate the residence, due to proximity to children. The DUmmy is mystified that he can't easily find an apartment complex that wants to rent to a child molester.
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Damn, you're good, BamaMoose.
I wish I had your research skills, but I'm still learning.
That is fantastic.
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kgfnally
In any case, I've been accepted as a tenant in a new place, but my roommate's credit is (and has been since his divorce) completely shot. They're thinking about rejecting his application to be on the lease, even though I make $50K+ a year, and can easily afford the rent for a two-bedroom place on my own.
So leave him off the lease and you be the only applicant. Problem solved. Then you and tinkerbelle the child molestor can work out how your going to split the expenses and then you can spend the evenings buggering each other at your apartment.
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kgfnally
In any case, I've been accepted as a tenant in a new place, but my roommate's credit is (and has been since his divorce) completely shot. They're thinking about rejecting his application to be on the lease, even though I make $50K+ a year, and can easily afford the rent for a two-bedroom place on my own.
So leave him off the lease and you be the only applicant. Problem solved. Then you and tinkerbelle the child molestor can work out how your going to split the expenses and then you can spend the evenings buggering each other at your apartment.
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Ah but that would be an ilegal sublet.
And Chester The Molester probably needs a fixed address to list with the State.
And since MOST rental places are NOT cool with POS Child Molesters it becomes apparant why this Nutmeat is in such a pickle.
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None of this story makes any sense.
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Well I'll be. There is more to the story.
They aren't roommates. They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay. He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson. Of course the charges were trumped up. But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled. He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.
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Welcome sir.
It is very customary to post links especially considering the severity of the claims.
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None of this story makes any sense.
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Well I'll be. There is more to the story.
They aren't roommates. They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay. He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson. Of course the charges were trumped up. But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled. He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.
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Welcome sir.
It is very customary to post links especially considering the severity of the claims.
This has been the story in the past. I've read it before on DU. It's been a while, but I'll see if I can find a thread with it.
Edited to add: I managed to find one:
Link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2518967&mesg_id=2519469)
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None of this story makes any sense.
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Well I'll be. There is more to the story.
They aren't roommates. They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay. He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson. Of course the charges were trumped up. But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled. He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.
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Welcome sir.
It is very customary to post links especially considering the severity of the claims.
This has been the story in the past. I've read it before on DU. It's been a while, but I'll see if I can find a thread with it.
Thanx lady!
I am DYING to know the back story here. :)
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Ah but that would be an ilegal sublet.
And Chester The Molester probably needs a fixed address to list with the State.
And since MOST rental places are NOT cool with POS Child Molesters it becomes apparant why this Nutmeat is in such a pickle.
Not quite sure I'm following you on this. If kgfnally is the leasee and Chester is simply living there, then he does have a fixed address.
But I'm not aware of any State that has laws which tell the owner of the property if he can or cannot permit subletting. Now if the property owner has rules regarding subletting, that's a different matter.
Certainly the property owner has the right to refuse to rent based upon certain criteria, past criminal record being one of those areas.
I'm more inclined at this point to believe that Chester has to be registered with the State and the apartments they desire are too close to a school or something.
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Ah but that would be an ilegal sublet.
And Chester The Molester probably needs a fixed address to list with the State.
And since MOST rental places are NOT cool with POS Child Molesters it becomes apparant why this Nutmeat is in such a pickle.
Not quite sure I'm following you on this. If kgfnally is the leasee and Chester is simply living there, then he does have a fixed address.
But I'm not aware of any State that has laws which tell the owner of the property if he can or cannot permit subletting. Now if the property owner has rules regarding subletting, that's a different matter.
Certainly the property owner has the right to refuse to rent based upon certain criteria, past criminal record being one of those areas.
I'm more inclined at this point to believe that Chester has to be registered with the State and the apartments they desire are too close to a school or something.
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I think Section 8 subsidies disallow subleasing.
Of course, Section 8 is one of the stupidest programs ever, along with the Foster Care program.
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None of this story makes any sense.
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Well I'll be. There is more to the story.
They aren't roommates. They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay. He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson. Of course the charges were trumped up. But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled. He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.
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Welcome sir.
It is very customary to post links especially considering the severity of the claims.
This has been the story in the past. I've read it before on DU. It's been a while, but I'll see if I can find a thread with it.
Thanx lady!
I am DYING to know the back story here. :)
I managed to find one. :)
link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2518967&mesg_id=2519469)
I remembered this story because it was so fishy sounding.
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Ah but that would be an ilegal sublet.
And Chester The Molester probably needs a fixed address to list with the State.
And since MOST rental places are NOT cool with POS Child Molesters it becomes apparant why this Nutmeat is in such a pickle.
Not quite sure I'm following you on this. If kgfnally is the leasee and Chester is simply living there, then he does have a fixed address.
But I'm not aware of any State that has laws which tell the owner of the property if he can or cannot permit subletting. Now if the property owner has rules regarding subletting, that's a different matter.
Certainly the property owner has the right to refuse to rent based upon certain criteria, past criminal record being one of those areas.
I'm more inclined at this point to believe that Chester has to be registered with the State and the apartments they desire are too close to a school or something.
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Well, in all the apartments I lived in, they all used the same lease pretty much. You can only have guests for so many days. The apartment complex has to know everyone that lives there, and in the case of roommates you both have to fill out an application to live there. Also, you cannot sublease without the approval from the complex management beforehand. I've never needed to sublease, so I don't know how that works either.
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I think Section 8 subsidies disallow subleasing.
Of course, Section 8 is one of the stupidest programs ever, along with the Foster Care program.
Federal Law on a fed program. OK, that's more than likely the case, so good memory there. And I agree with Section 8.
I say I don't know any States that make it against the law, but if there is one or more it wouldn't surprise me. States tend to stick there noses into things like this where they have no business, it should be up to the property owner if they want to take the risk. But hey, that's just me being the silly businessman who thinks people should be able to make business decisions for themself.
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None of this story makes any sense.
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Well I'll be. There is more to the story.
They aren't roommates. They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay. He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson. Of course the charges were trumped up. But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled. He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.
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Welcome sir.
It is very customary to post links especially considering the severity of the claims.
Sorry.
Child molester being shunned:
kgfnally (1000+ posts) Mon May-07-07 10:16 AM
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11. COULD it be possible?
It happened to my roommate. He was asleep, his stepson got up on the couch with him, his (my roommate's) hand flopped over onto the kid's crotch in his sleep (the kid even testified to the fact that my roommate was actually asleep at the time), and everyone involved did everything possible to railroad him into a guilty plea for "fondling" his stepson. Probation, registry as a sex offender, and lost physical custody of his child.
He hasn't been allowed to work since; nobody will hire him. It's hard for him to find a place to live, too, since most landlords won't let him rent from them.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x836906#837228 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x836906#837228)
And what the word "roommate" appears to mean and why I think sex offender registry violation is a realistic assumption:
28. well, we're both GAY
so I, unlike some, can use "husband", "partner", roommate", and "guy I live with" pretty much interchangably.
I explicitly stated in the other thread that this all happened BEFORE we met.
And as to the rest, toddle on believeing what you want to believe. In truth, I don't NEED to believe HIM... I have the transcripts. They tell me everything I need to know, based solely on the testimony of the "victim".
Bizarre? Insulting? What's bizarre and insulting, friend, is that *I* have to be ever aware of the fact that my address is on that registry too. What's bizarre and insulting is that, were MI ever to pass a "bumpersticker law", *I* would have to put one on MY car because HE occasionally drives it. What's bizarre and insulting are the email alerts the people living right across the hall from me can get, for which *I* will be judged by them.
What's bizarre and insulting is some people's 'scarlet letter' justice. America has no. Place. For. It. Period. I am unequivocally against any sex offender registry. I am against criminal registries in any form. They are wrong, they make me less safe, and I should in no way be expected to tolerate it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3690208#3690572 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3690208#3690572)
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Here's some more threads on kgfnally
Should children who lie about being sexually abused be put on a registry? (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3688226&mesg_id=3688226)
You were all correct and I apologize. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x3290993)
And of course NOBODY has EVER been wrongly convicted (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3356733#3356806)
Texas developers creating sex offender-free neighborhood(background check) (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1525395)
What to do with sex offenders? (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3493941)
The flip side of the sex offender argument (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3537909#3539560)
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Well, in all the apartments I lived in, they all used the same lease pretty much. You can only have guests for so many days. The apartment complex has to know everyone that lives there, and in the case of roommates you both have to fill out an application to live there. Also, you cannot sublease without the approval from the complex management beforehand. I've never needed to sublease, so I don't know how that works either.
What you mention is probably pretty standard, and there's certainly good reasons for all of those rules.
I got out of residential rental property several years ago. All you need is one upset tenent who decides they aren't leaving after their lease is up, they have the law on their side for several months, and then when they do leave in the middle of the night they take a sledge hammer and bust out the tubs. Oh, joy!! Commercial rental tenents are different, but typically a little higher class client.
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Well, in all the apartments I lived in, they all used the same lease pretty much. You can only have guests for so many days. The apartment complex has to know everyone that lives there, and in the case of roommates you both have to fill out an application to live there. Also, you cannot sublease without the approval from the complex management beforehand. I've never needed to sublease, so I don't know how that works either.
What you mention is probably pretty standard, and there's certainly good reasons for all of those rules.
I got out of residential rental property several years ago. All you need is one upset tenent who decides they aren't leaving after their lease is up, they have the law on their side for several months, and then when they do leave in the middle of the night they take a sledge hammer and bust out the tubs. Oh, joy!! Commercial rental tenents are different, but typically a little higher class client.
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Yeah, but the solution of just leaving the "roommate" off the application isn't acceptable. The roommate has to be on there, because he's living there as well.
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Yeah, but the solution of just leaving the "roommate" off the application isn't acceptable. The roommate has to be on there, because he's living there as well.
That's up to the property owner. In the same manner, a mortgage for a home in which you and your husband intend on living can be obtained with only one of you being the applicant.
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Thanks for the reminder of his past, BamaMoose & Miss Mia. This DUmmie and his twinkie pal are just scum.
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Damn, you're good, BamaMoose.
I wish I had your research skills, but I'm still learning.
That is fantastic.
Thanks for the compliment Frank, but it wasn't real hard to dig up. He seems compelled to tell everyone about his private life. Kinda like some of your other favorite Primates.
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None of this story makes any sense.
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Well I'll be. There is more to the story.
They aren't roommates. They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay. He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson. Of course the charges were trumped up. But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled. He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.
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Welcome sir.
It is very customary to post links especially considering the severity of the claims.
This has been the story in the past. I've read it before on DU. It's been a while, but I'll see if I can find a thread with it.
Edited to add: I managed to find one:
Link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2518967&mesg_id=2519469)
I remember that from CU. I thought BamaMoose's description of the DUmmy sounded familiar. It wouldn't surprise me at all if something related to that isn't the "missing" part of the eviction story.
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Great job Mia and BamaMoose.
Might I suggest this thread or parts of it be moved to the DUmping ground at some point so it can stand forever as a testimony to how easily they lie and distort things in an effort to garner sympathy.
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..Nothing makes me smile so broadly as when a DUmmy is caught in an act of 'truth manipulation' and the source of that evidence comes from DU.
I suspect the truth to the eviction is closer to this.. Local news station just did a story on sex offender registry, and how to access the database. Out of curiosity, landlord did a search and was horrified to find one living in his building. Using the original lease, the landlord found reason to evict the pair, probably based on false information provided. DUmmy and molester-buddy claim their right to privacy is violated, they find a high price lawyer and lose their money.
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Great job BamaMoose on filling in the rest of the story.
I love how Naturyl was supporting Chester through the thread and then BAM he gets hit with some reality.
REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug-21-08 04:20 AM
Response to Reply #128
140. There may be 'Megan's Law' issues the lanlord doesn't want to deal with
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 04:29 AM by REP
The felon the OP mentions his roommate has is a sex offense. If this is a large complex, the management/landlord may not want to have to inform the other tenants as required under 'Megan's Law'-type requirements, which would risk losing many tenants to gain just one.
Naturyl (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug-21-08 06:17 AM
Response to Reply #140
142. Ay-yi-yi...
Sex offense, eh? Great. The editing period on my supportive, encouraging posts has expired... so that's now on the public record... ugh. Super-duper. One more reason to fear the Google.
Gotta love the internet and my own damned propensity to jump into things I don't know enough about.
And yeah, I did read the linked post. We're told the hand just "flopped over?" Just flopped right on over there and a conviction was obtained on no more evidence than that? Yeah... not even gonna say anything else. I've gotten myself in enough trouble as it is.
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kgfnally (1000+ posts) Thu May-19-05 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #71
106. Don't you know it!
This kid that accused my husband is getting his- went to juvie for drugs and a couple other offenses, violent ones IIRC.
He's getting what was coming to him, but my husband is still on the registry for no good reason.
(the kid testified my husband was SLEEPING and his hand DIDN'T move once it flopped over onto the kid's "groin area". By the way, did you know that one of the criteria for sexual abuse in MI is "touching a minor child between the knee and the groin"? No explanation of what's a "proper" touch. It's been explained to us by his probation officer at the time that this actually means ANY touch. That may have been a lie.)
Well THANK GOD the kid his "Husband" molested "Got what was coming to him"...
This guy is a sick ****.
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Pete A. Phile is falsely and maliciously accuse of being a toucher and punished only through a misscarriage of justice.
Pete A. Phile and his gullible/accessory whiner BF are falsely and maliciously accused of selling drugs and only punished through a miscarriage of justice.
Is it just me or is there a pattern emerging?
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Pete A. Phile is falsely and maliciously accuse of being a toucher and punished only through a misscarriage of justice.
Pete A. Phile and his gullible/accessory whiner BF are falsely and maliciously accused of selling drugs and only punished through a miscarriage of justice.
Is it just me or is there a pattern emerging?
Well what the hell is the poor Child Molestor SUPPOSED to do if society insists on punishing him for being a child molestor?!
He might have been absolutely FORCED into selling drugs because he can't find honest work. :whatever:
These two douchebags DESERVE each other.
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Oh my.
That bonfire is just really big, but seems to have expired.
It expired at the point where scubaguy here, above, quoted.
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REP (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-08 04:20 AM
Response to Reply #128
140. There may be 'Megan's Law' issues the lanlord doesn't want to deal with
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 04:29 AM by REP
The felon the OP mentions his roommate has is a sex offense. If this is a large complex, the management/landlord may not want to have to inform the other tenants as required under 'Megan's Law'-type requirements, which would risk losing many tenants to gain just one.
(http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... )
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-21-08 06:17 AM
Response to Reply #140
142. Ay-yi-yi...
Sex offense, eh? Great. The editing period on my supportive, encouraging posts has expired... so that's now on the public record... ugh. Super-duper. One more reason to fear the Google.
Gotta love the internet and my own damned propensity to jump into things I don't know enough about.
And yeah, I did read the linked post. We're told the hand just "flopped over?" Just flopped right on over there and a conviction was obtained on no more evidence than that? Yeah... not even gonna say anything else. I've gotten myself in enough trouble as it is.
SouthernVoter (11 posts) Thu Aug-21-08 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #140
151. The other shoe drops!
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 11:56 AM by SouthernVoter
A credit check could be part of overall background check. I could see how the landlord is just lumping it all into one statement.
If the felony is a sex offense, then I can see a huge red flag in a complex.
It is not the landlord's responsibility to find out the circumstances of the sex offense, he just sees felony sex offender and that is it.
I can't blame the landlord for not wanting that liability in today's litigious world.
Also, it is not out of the question that the current landlord found out about the sex offense and used that to evict them quickly from their apartment. I haven't seen a lease in awhile, but I am sure there are terms that allow for that.
oooopsies...
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kgfnally (1000+ posts) Thu May-19-05 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #71
106. Don't you know it!
This kid that accused my husband is getting his- went to juvie for drugs and a couple other offenses, violent ones IIRC.
He's getting what was coming to him, but my husband is still on the registry for no good reason.
(the kid testified my husband was SLEEPING and his hand DIDN'T move once it flopped over onto the kid's "groin area". By the way, did you know that one of the criteria for sexual abuse in MI is "touching a minor child between the knee and the groin"? No explanation of what's a "proper" touch. It's been explained to us by his probation officer at the time that this actually means ANY touch. That may have been a lie.)
Well THANK GOD the kid his "Husband" molested "Got what was coming to him"...
This guy is a sick ****.
He is indeed. I don't suppose he figured the child has the problems he does due to his 'husbands' behavior while he was his stepfather. :censored:
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I use a cold and heartless property management company. They go over the applicants credit with a fine toothed comb. They actually call references, and will talk to your current neighbors about you.
I love these guys, they are meaner than wet cats. They even have a $500 deductible for appliance repair (tenant pays first $500) in the fine print of the leases.
my daughter just rented her first apartment (on her own without our help) and I was amazed at what a background check they did. the complex called absolutely everybody; me, her dad, her in laws to be, her work - they even called her college to see if she was full or part time and if she was paid up on her school loans. They checked her credit, but they told her they would.
and it took four full business days.. i havent rented in a long, long time. I had no idea it was like that these days.. but good for them; its their property and they want to make sure they arent letting deadbeats in the door.
if it were *my* property, I'd do no less.
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What's a grown man doing sharing a bed with a minor? :bs:
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It is not the landlord's responsibility to find out the circumstances of the sex offense, he just sees felony sex offender and that is it.
I can't blame the landlord for not wanting that liability in today's litigious world.
Yeah, "liability" concerns! That pesky liability!
It never occurs to the DUmmy that maybe, just maybe, the Landlord cares about the safety of his tenants.
And something else fishy - he and his "roommate" have been living together for 10 years, yet the victimized stepson is still young enough to be going to "juvie"? They work fast, these moonbats.
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None of this story makes any sense.
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Well I'll be. There is more to the story.
They aren't roommates. They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay. He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson. Of course the charges were trumped up. But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled. He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.
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Welcome sir.
It is very customary to post links especially considering the severity of the claims.
This has been the story in the past. I've read it before on DU. It's been a while, but I'll see if I can find a thread with it.
Thanx lady!
I am DYING to know the back story here. :)
I managed to find one. :)
link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2518967&mesg_id=2519469)
I remembered this story because it was so fishy sounding.
mighty fine research Miss Mia :bow:
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mighty fine research Miss Mia :bow:
Thank god for Google. :) I just remember how crazy that story sounded when he first posted it. It was crazy enough, that I remembered it in the first place. :)
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Oh HOLY SHIT!
kgfnally (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-08-05 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. No, you DON'T have a "right" to keep your kids safe
Edited on Wed Jun-08-05 06:33 PM by kgfnally
You, as a parent, have an OBLIGATION, but that does NOT extend to branding other citizens. And I, as someone who has NEVER been charged with ANY sex offensse or ANY OTHER CRIME, but live with an offender, bitterly- BITTERLY!!!- resent you telling ME *MY* car can be surveilled upon, MY movements can be tracked, and so on.
YOU MADE A LIFESTYLE CHOICE. You should get NO special treatment AT ALL for that choice.
YOU keep your kids safe, and YOU do it WITHOUT the public's help, because YOU made a *lifestyle choice*.
If you don't like that attitude, tough. I'm done being nice. I want nothing to do with your kids, because I'll assume- based upon my husband's experiences- that they'll LIE to get him, or anyone they don't like, put away.
Like I said, if you don't like that attitude, TOUGH. *YOU* made a *lifestyle choice* to have kids, and I shouldn't be under ANY obligation to keep them 'safe'. As a parent, that's YOUR job.
Sorry to sound so angry, but I'm getting ******* ####ING TIRED ofhaving MY life intruded upon because SOME parents don't have the acumen to do what's necessary- IN THEIR OWN BLOODY ####ING HOMES- to keep their kids safe.
YOU AND YOUR KIDS DO NO DESERVE THE RELINQUISHMENT OF MY RIGHTS, NOR DO YOU DESERVE THE RELINQUISHMENT OF RIGHTS BY PERSONS WHO HAVE ALREADY SERVED THEIR TIME.
Not only do you NOT have the "right" to know about sex offenders in your neighborhood, you, as a parent, as someone who has made a *lifestyle choice*, do not DESERVE to know about that. As a gay man, I feel EXTREMELY comfortable in making that statement.
Talk about "special rights"!!!! You even get time off when they're born, and *I* have to make up the work on the job! And I don't get paid more when I have to do so!!
You made a *lifestyle choice*. YOU take the risk- not me.
http://forums.somd.com/news-current-events/50894-great-thread-2.html
This is from an archive of a pulled DU thread I found on another site. :o
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This is from an archive of a pulled DU thread I found on another site.
The original has been gobbled up by the granite machine.
And kgfnally, you set a whole new standard for lowlife scum.
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Not a bit surprising that the demented couple are right at home at DU.
I`d be damn proud skins of the lot you attract.
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isn't that asshat making "lifestyle choice" by shacking up with a pervert? *eyeroll*
What a disgusting and vile creature.
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YOU keep your kids safe, and YOU do it WITHOUT the public's help, because YOU made a *lifestyle choice*.
Fine how about we take you and your fag boyfriend out to a bridge, tie cinderblocks around your necks and throw them--and you both--into the water.
All with no public involvement, just us parents keeping our kids safe.
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YOU keep your kids safe, and YOU do it WITHOUT the public's help, because YOU made a *lifestyle choice*.
Fine how about we take you and your fag boyfriend out to a bridge, tie cinderblocks around your necks and throw them--and you both--into the water.
All with no public involvement, just us parents keeping our kids safe.
I think .38 caliber protection is OK as well. As you said, the onus is on parents to keep their kids safe. If it isn't the place for the gummint to do it, then private protection is must be.