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Title: No Contest
Post by: franksolich on August 19, 2008, 08:13:20 AM
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=303952351194789

Oh my.

By the way, have there been any new polls since Saturday night?

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Election '08: Last weekend's McCain-Obama protodebate made it clear why Obama won't keep his promise to debate McCain "anywhere, anytime." McCain, with a robust resume and details at his fingertips, won big.

It was only in May that Sen. Barack Obama cockily proclaimed he would debate Sen. John McCain "anywhere, anytime." But in June, Obama said no to McCain's challenge to have 10 one-on-one town hall meetings.

After what happened at Lake Forest, Calif.'s evangelical Saddleback megachurch Saturday evening, we may have found that debating is Obama's Achilles' heel. Whether or not you like the idea of such events being held in religious venues, the plain-and-simple method of questioning used by Saddleback pastor and best-selling author Rick Warren revealed fundamental differences between these two men.

"It's one of those situations where the devil is in the details," Obama said at one point. He could have been referring to his own oratorical shortcomings when a teleprompter is unavailable. We learned a lot more about the real Obama at Saddleback than we will next week as he delivers his acceptance speech in Denver before a massive stadium crowd.

More at the link above.
Title: Re: No Contest
Post by: franksolich on August 19, 2008, 08:15:08 AM
This by the way was the conclusion of the article:

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It may not have been a debate, but it was one of the most lopsided political contests in memory. No wonder Obama wants to keep debate formats boring and predictable.
Title: Re: No Contest
Post by: Chris on August 19, 2008, 08:20:18 AM
I checked Real Clear Politics this morning... nothing since Sunday afternoon last week.  They will probably have poll data later today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
Title: Re: No Contest
Post by: Wretched Excess on August 19, 2008, 08:34:30 AM

it was obvious who the obama campaign thought had won the debate when they planted the "mccain cheated"
fabrication with andrea mitchell.
Title: No Contest
Post by: TheSarge on August 19, 2008, 09:39:30 AM
It was only in May that Sen. Barack Obama cockily proclaimed he would debate Sen. John McCain "anywhere, anytime." But in June, Obama said no to McCain's challenge to have 10 one-on-one town hall meetings.

After what happened at Lake Forest, Calif.'s evangelical Saddleback megachurch Saturday evening, we may have found that debating is Obama's Achilles' heel. Whether or not you like the idea of such events being held in religious venues, the plain-and-simple method of questioning used by Saddleback pastor and best-selling author Rick Warren revealed fundamental differences between these two men.

"It's one of those situations where the devil is in the details," Obama said at one point. He could have been referring to his own oratorical shortcomings when a teleprompter is unavailable. We learned a lot more about the real Obama at Saddleback than we will next week as he delivers his acceptance speech in Denver before a massive stadium crowd.

The stark differences between the two came through the most on the question of whether there is evil in the world. Obama spoke of evil within America, "in parents who have viciously abused their children." According to the Democrat, we can't really erase evil in the world because "that is God's task." And we have to "have some humility in how we approach the issue of confronting evil."

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=303952351194789
Title: Re: No Contest
Post by: franksolich on August 19, 2008, 09:41:25 AM
Duplicate, Sarge, sir.

It needs merged.

Sorry.
Title: Re: No Contest
Post by: Uhhuh35 on August 19, 2008, 09:45:02 AM
A Leotard heavy board that I post in has an election thread "McCain vs. Obama" that has gone silent the last few days. The Liberals are in deep dispair.  :-)
But they know this; they can't just jettison Obama because they'd loose the Black vote. They have to stick with this looser no matter what and that includes a landslide defeat in November.
Too effin' bad for them.
Title: Re: No Contest
Post by: Jim on August 19, 2008, 10:10:00 AM
A Leotard heavy board that I post in has an election thread "McCain vs. Obama" that has gone silent the last few days. The Liberals are in deep dispair.  :-)
But they know this; they can't just jettison Obama because they'd loose the Black vote. They have to stick with this looser no matter what and that includes a landslide defeat in November.
Too effin' bad for them.


the supers screwed themselves by allowing coming off the fence
Title: Re: No Contest
Post by: Jim on August 19, 2008, 10:10:58 AM
we all knew McC would smoke the messiah but even I'm surprized at how badly.
Title: Re: No Contest
Post by: TheSarge on August 19, 2008, 10:25:02 AM

it was obvious who the obama campaign thought had won the debate when they planted the "mccain cheated"
fabrication with andrea mitchell.

Which was a recycled meme from 2004.

Remember the DUmmies CT about how Bush was wearing an earpiece and getting his answers fed to him from off stage?


(Republican Candidate) cheated is the new standard Dem answer when their "guy" gets his ass handed to him in a debate.