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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Chris_ on August 19, 2008, 12:11:15 AM
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I am not joking and this is no "if xyzz wins, I will leave" threat. I can see what is going to happen and it is ugly.
She and I have discussed this at length and made our decision last night. We have already made plans to donate all our goods to local charities (OK, we will sell some of the furniture) and have looked into properties in Grapevine and Irving.
We have had it -- L.A. is one of the highest tax areas in the country -- worse than Boston. And now, because I have the AUDACITY to make a 6 figure income, I must be PUNISHED! And, we "hire" the legislators to do one thing -- and one thing only -- manage the budget and do so like all of us "little people" do -- keep costs below income (plus perhaps some prudent borrowing -- think a mortgage and maybe a car for an average American). Instead, they pass bill after bill that makes THEM (the legislators) feel good, while sticking the bill to us EVIL SALARY EARNERS. Yes, I can see them sleeping after passing the latest "help someone" bill, thinking "I did something GOOD today" ON MY ****ING DIME.
This should come as no surprise to Californians, but California has assuaged the conscience of its lawmakers by having BILLIONS of dollars of programs that exactly parallel Federal programs (think colostomy bags for the poor) but do not require proof of citizenship. Much/most of our debt is a direct result of financially supporting illegal immigration. The rest are a result of directly subsidizing sloth. If I wanted to, I am willing to wager that I (see below for qualifications) could get California Food Stamps.
Speaking of illegal immigration, did you know that there have been many debates in the California Congress conducted in Spanish? And that the Sergeant At Arms has not halted proceedings nor have objections been entered into the record?.
I wish I could comfort myself with knowing that sales tax (the new idea) hits the illegals harder worse than I, but that doesn't change the fact that when I am in other states, I buy "high cost -- small footprint" when I am out of state -- how many people do the same?
OK, let's look at the cost to California for my Wealth Flight:
Income: mid-6 figures
Direct Income Taxes 2007: 6K
The median income tax payment in California is 2K -- so to replace my income tax will take 3 families.
BUT WAIT! I have no children and have 2 vehicles which have less than 1,000 miles per year each (not 10K, but 1K), so not only will California require 3 median income families to replace my income, but it will need apx. 2 times those to pay for the usage of the infrastructure I do not use! Good luck getting that!
Yes, there are really wealthy people in Marin County and the like who have inherited wealth and thus don't understand what really generates it.
But I think there will be more wealth flight from Kalifornia by individuals -- and companies. Kalifornia is already one of the most business hostile states in the country. I am sure the new tax-saturated plans the sleep-well liberals cobble together will run many others like me out of the state.
Texans in the DFW area: I have lived 3 years in the DFW (2 years in Ft. Worth, 1 year in Plano) area. I am familiar with the idea that "if there ain't no road, we make one for ourselves." Any and all advice for residents will be appreciated. The current plan is spring of 2009 (we can't really move before then).
We are starting this weekend by giving stuff away -- if I am lucky, we won't have much by moving day.
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Congrats on your decision. I visited the Dallas area a few years ago when looking for an investment/second home. Beautiful houses. I wasn't thrilled about all the highway driving. I never imagined Texas to be a state full of highways and overpasses. I always imagined a "little house on the prairie" type landscape. I went to North Georgia instead and decided to invest there.
I'm a former New Yorker and can see why you want to move out those liberal controlled areas. Florida seemed like the right thing to do back then. I never regretted my move,,,,sounds like you won't either. Good Luck!!
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Rock on baby! I spent 1990-2002 in the D/FW Metroplex. I think I lived in just about every town. We built a home in Frisco right around the time the mall was built and sold it to move here (drat!) just as the population exploded. I really liked it there.
We have a few North Texas CC'ers who can tell you what current conditions are like. I know your money is going to go a LOT farther.......
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I know what yer sayin FD and I hope your move goes well. My wife and I have a second home in Riverside county but we're seriously thinkin' of selling it and buying something in Arizona. I still have eight more years here in PA so we have time to plan and see what happens. But yeah, California isn't getting better any time soon with the taxes, budget and illegal alien situation.
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I know what yer sayin FD and I hope your move goes well. My wife and I have a second home in Riverside county but we're seriously thinkin' of selling it and buying something in Arizona. I still have eight more years here in PA so we have time to plan and see what happens. But yeah, California isn't getting better any time soon with the taxes, budget and illegal alien situation.
The new budget is going to be bad on people who work for a living, believe me. AZ is a pretty good place as well. I am going to Dallas because it is < 3 hours flying time from pretty much everywhere. I will get a whole day of my life per week back!
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I see a DFW CC meetup in my future. :evillaugh:
Good luck with the move! Hope all goes well.
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I know what yer sayin FD and I hope your move goes well. My wife and I have a second home in Riverside county but we're seriously thinkin' of selling it and buying something in Arizona. I still have eight more years here in PA so we have time to plan and see what happens. But yeah, California isn't getting better any time soon with the taxes, budget and illegal alien situation.
The new budget is going to be bad on people who work for a living, believe me. AZ is a pretty good place as well. I am going to Dallas because it is < 3 hours flying time from pretty much everywhere. I will get a whole day of my life per week back!
It only takes an hour to fly to El Lay from DFW. I left DFW at 10 AM and got into El Lay Ex at 11 AM. Can't beat it!
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Wise choice, FD, there is no way the PRK is going to get better in the foreseeable future, and myriad ways it could actually speed up its protracted slide into the abyss.
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And when you move there you get to apply for a Carry Permit!
Congrats Bud!
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And when you move there you get to apply for a Carry Permit!
Congrats Bud!
That's so you can put down any mind-numbed zombies that followed you through the passes.
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Texas is the best. You're making the right decision FD.
And as you know, we don't coddle scumbags here; we send them to the Express Line of Death Row!
:whatever:
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I won't say that Texas is the "best" any more. It has been invaded by liberals and the liberal mentality. Property taxes here may be lower than Commiefornia, but some counties are pretty high. Denison and Sherman have property taxes above 3%. My MN property taxes, which I thought were high, were just below 2% in the bedroom communities of the metro area up there. While there is no state income tax, the tax rate for almost all goods purchased is above 8%. Sherman's is 8.125%. MN didn't tax food or clothing. The city of Denison is building a NEW high school for no apparent/ valid reason. The same one that my mom and I went to is still in good shape and the graduating classes are half of when I attended. So, some 6-10 Million dollars will be spent "for the children", when less than a third of that could be spent to upgrade the existing high school. Common sense is disappearing. The tax and spend mentality has invaded Texas. :hammer:
As far as the Texas Concealed Handgun License, Texas laws really suck when compared to MN's Permit to Carry laws. I will admit that there aren't too many places in my area that are "posted" (prohibiting armed people with valid licenses). Up in MN, there are plenty of businesses/ places that would disarm a person. However, Texas doesn't require a person to have a license to have a loaded gun in their vehicle, as long as it's "out of sight".
I AM glad to be back to my homeland, though.
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Wise choice, FD, there is no way the PRK is going to get better in the foreseeable future, and myriad ways it could actually speed up its protracted slide into the abyss.
When we Moved from El Paso to Copperas Cove I told my mom we were moving about 560 miles futher away but would be an hr closer to them. Dad being a spoil sport splained to her. :lmao:
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If you're looking in Irving, are you looking into the "Las Colinas/Valley Ranch" area? There's some houses in there, very beautiful, but have lots of problems. I forget the name of the neighborhood.
Also, if you're looking into Grapevine, I'd suggest giving Flower Mound a look. Oh, and Southlake too.
I live in Arlington. :)
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Woo hoo....I'll have you both over for dinner once you get here. :-)
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If you're looking in Irving, are you looking into the "Las Colinas/Valley Ranch" area? There's some houses in there, very beautiful, but have lots of problems. I forget the name of the neighborhood.
Also, if you're looking into Grapevine, I'd suggest giving Flower Mound a look. Oh, and Southlake too.
I live in Arlington. :)
Yes, those houses are ripe for disaster. They are built on a sea of shifting sand. I could tell you some stories about the houses in that area that would curl your hair....like the one that required 50+-foot piers and they still weren't sure they hit anything solid....or the one that looked like it had an empty football stadium under it, but it was filled up by shifting earth the next week....and back to empty the week after that....or the topped-out house that "floated" about four feet overnight and had to be demolished, re-piered, and rebuilt.
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My personal recommendation is my own hometown of Euless. One-third of the city is actually inside D/FW Airport, but the runways run north/south, so there will be no planes flying over your house. The nicest houses are off of Mid-Cities Blvd. and S.H. 121. Mid-Cities Blvd. runs straight into the airport. Home to a D/FW parking lot would be about 10 minutes. Also, property taxes are lower in Tarrant County as compared to Dallas County. It is literally dead-center of the Metroplex. PM me if you need help with housing. My dad's a real estate agent and would be happy to drive you around.
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Woo hoo....I'll have you both over for dinner once you get here. :-)
Does that mean you're going to EAT them ?!?!?!?!? :bolt:
Here's a "cookbook" for you!!
(http://www.twilightzonemuseum.com/media/props/images/props_toserveman.jpg)
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Woo hoo....I'll have you both over for dinner once you get here. :-)
Does that mean you're going to EAT them ?!?!?!?!? :bolt:
Here's a "cookbook" for you!!
(http://www.twilightzonemuseum.com/media/props/images/props_toserveman.jpg)
"Don't go! To Serve Man is a cookbook!"
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If you are looking in The D/FW area check out Highland Park.
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If you are looking in The D/FW area check out Highland Park.
I think he wants to be close to the airport, Highland Park would be quite a drive to DFW.
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If you are looking in The D/FW area check out Highland Park.
I think he wants to be close to the airport, Highland Park would be quite a drive to DFW.
20 Miles ain't nothing. Pert near a straight shot also.
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Woo hoo....I'll have you both over for dinner once you get here. :-)
Does that mean you're going to EAT them ?!?!?!?!? :bolt:
Here's a "cookbook" for you!!
(http://www.twilightzonemuseum.com/media/props/images/props_toserveman.jpg)
Depends on how they taste. :evillaugh:
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My personal recommendation is my own hometown of Euless. One-third of the city is actually inside D/FW Airport, but the runways run north/south, so there will be no planes flying over your house. The nicest houses are off of Mid-Cities Blvd. and S.H. 121. Mid-Cities Blvd. runs straight into the airport. Home to a D/FW parking lot would be about 10 minutes. Also, property taxes are lower in Tarrant County as compared to Dallas County. It is literally dead-center of the Metroplex. PM me if you need help with housing. My dad's a real estate agent and would be happy to drive you around.
I used to live in Useless. :-) Actually the H-E-B area is a great choice! PM me freedumb, I used to work for one of the municipalities around those parts.
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Stay away from all them yankees!!! Come on down to South East Texas ...... I'll put you on a lake in a golf course community 1:15 from Intercontinental. Fishing is awesome and crime is non-existant.
KC
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I know what yer sayin FD and I hope your move goes well. My wife and I have a second home in Riverside county but we're seriously thinkin' of selling it and buying something in Arizona. I still have eight more years here in PA so we have time to plan and see what happens. But yeah, California isn't getting better any time soon with the taxes, budget and illegal alien situation.
The new budget is going to be bad on people who work for a living, believe me. AZ is a pretty good place as well. I am going to Dallas because it is < 3 hours flying time from pretty much everywhere. I will get a whole day of my life per week back!
It only takes an hour to fly to El Lay from DFW. I left DFW at 10 AM and got into El Lay Ex at 11 AM. Can't beat it!
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It is 2.5 hours and you were taking advantage of the time zone change.
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Stay away from all them yankees!!! Come on down to South East Texas ...... I'll put you on a lake in a golf course community 1:15 from Intercontinental. Fishing is awesome and crime is non-existant.
KC
I need an airport within 5-10 minutes. But I appreciate the sentiment.
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Woo hoo....I'll have you both over for dinner once you get here. :-)
Does that mean you're going to EAT them ?!?!?!?!? :bolt:
Here's a "cookbook" for you!!
(http://www.twilightzonemuseum.com/media/props/images/props_toserveman.jpg)
Depends on how they taste. :evillaugh:
Just don't eat clowns. They taste funny.
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How fast do you drive?! :lmao:
KC
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My personal recommendation is my own hometown of Euless. One-third of the city is actually inside D/FW Airport, but the runways run north/south, so there will be no planes flying over your house. The nicest houses are off of Mid-Cities Blvd. and S.H. 121. Mid-Cities Blvd. runs straight into the airport. Home to a D/FW parking lot would be about 10 minutes. Also, property taxes are lower in Tarrant County as compared to Dallas County. It is literally dead-center of the Metroplex. PM me if you need help with housing. My dad's a real estate agent and would be happy to drive you around.
I used to live in Useless. :-) Actually the H-E-B area is a great choice! PM me freedumb, I used to work for one of the municipalities around those parts.
Thanks to both of you -- I forgot about Euless -- I passed that water tower every day when I was working in Richardson.
I'll be looking you both up when we get a little closer to the date -- after the 1st of the year we will be really cranking on it.
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How fast do you drive?! :lmao:
KC
I don't drive, I use a car service. Trust me, it makes a big difference when I get back -- remember I commute on airlines weekly.
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How fast do you drive?! :lmao:
KC
I don't drive, I use a car service. Trust me, it makes a big difference when I get back -- remember I commute on airlines weekly.
Well, my area of Texas is out. What the hell is a car service?! :-)
KC
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How fast do you drive?! :lmao:
KC
I don't drive, I use a car service. Trust me, it makes a big difference when I get back -- remember I commute on airlines weekly.
Well, my area of Texas is out. What the hell is a car service?! KC
Like a Taxi but ain't yellow and cost more :lmao:
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I frist read of your move to Texas last night and have been thinking. Since Texas has a high population of illegals (I have no comparison to Ca. numbers) how does the Texas economy handle it? What makes the two states different?
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I frist read of your move to Texas last night and have been thinking. Since Texas has a high population of illegals (I have no comparison to Ca. numbers) how does the Texas economy handle it? What makes the two states different?
Although there are taxpayer-funded services that illegals can get their hands on, we don't give them quite as freely as California does. This helps keep taxes lower than CA's. Also, we don't tax businesses as heavily, so Texas is a great place for corporations and small businesses.
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I frist read of your move to Texas last night and have been thinking. Since Texas has a high population of illegals (I have no comparison to Ca. numbers) how does the Texas economy handle it? What makes the two states different?
Although there are taxpayer-funded services that illegals can get their hands on, we don't give them quite as freely as California does. This helps keep taxes lower than CA's. Also, we don't tax businesses as heavily, so Texas is a great place for corporations and small businesses.
In California, the illegals have and 8 out of 10 chance of being more intelligent than the locals. In Texas, that isn't possible. The criminal Mexican invaders tend to understand where the fall on the social scale.
:-)
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While living near DFW might be convenient, we also have an airport near Sherman/ Denison, (an old AFB). The housing market is a little more reasonable. They do have commuter flights to DFW. Just a thought.
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Coppell/Farmers Branch ! :popcorn:
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I frist read of your move to Texas last night and have been thinking. Since Texas has a high population of illegals (I have no comparison to Ca. numbers) how does the Texas economy handle it? What makes the two states different?
Although there are taxpayer-funded services that illegals can get their hands on, we don't give them quite as freely as California does. This helps keep taxes lower than CA's. Also, we don't tax businesses as heavily, so Texas is a great place for corporations and small businesses.
In California, the illegals have and 8 out of 10 chance of being more intelligent than the locals. In Texas, that isn't possible. The criminal Mexican invaders tend to understand where the fall on the social scale.
:-)
Not to mention we also house Gonzales, Texas (first gun rights battle ever fought) and San Jacinto! (pronounced Ja sinto NOT Ya sinto). I think a lot of them remember Santa Anna ......
KC
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Greenville,Paris,Honey Grove
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Coppell/Farmers Branch ! :popcorn:
May I suggest Bee Street.
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welcome to TEXAS!!!!
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Stay away from all them yankees!!! Come on down to South East Texas ...... I'll put you on a lake in a golf course community 1:15 from Intercontinental. Fishing is awesome and crime is non-existant.
KC
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! next thing you know we'll have everyone wanting to come to Texas!!!!!
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How fast do you drive?! :lmao:
KC
I don't drive, I use a car service. Trust me, it makes a big difference when I get back -- remember I commute on airlines weekly.
You need to learn to drive..........just remember, what most people call tailgating, we call drafting :-)
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I frist read of your move to Texas last night and have been thinking. Since Texas has a high population of illegals (I have no comparison to Ca. numbers) how does the Texas economy handle it? What makes the two states different?
Although there are taxpayer-funded services that illegals can get their hands on, we don't give them quite as freely as California does. This helps keep taxes lower than CA's. Also, we don't tax businesses as heavily, so Texas is a great place for corporations and small businesses.
In California, the illegals have and 8 out of 10 chance of being more intelligent than the locals. In Texas, that isn't possible. The criminal Mexican invaders tend to understand where the fall on the social scale.
:-)
we also have the death penalty that Texans of all color and creed back
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Texas is far better then anyplace in Kaliforniastan.
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Texas is far better then anyplace in Kaliforniastan.
Without a doubt.
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To be frank, I will miss the weather. And the beach. And the mountains.
California has been gifted with the best climate and scenery anywhere. And Californians have squandered all the natural gifts and have turned it into a hell hole.
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To be frank, I will miss the weather. And the beach. And the mountains.
California has been gifted with the best climate and scenery anywhere. And Californians have squandered all the natural gifts and have turned it into a hell hole.
Texas has all that without the moonbattery.
I would beg to differ on the climate. Hawaii has the better climate. I have lived in both places and I would take Hawaii's climate over California's any day of the week.
KC
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I am hoping to bid farewell to NY for Texas in either November or December as well.
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I am hoping to bid farewell to NY for Texas in either November or December as well.
Well, git on down here! If you are moving to my neck of the woods let me know and I'll try to help you find a place to live.
KC
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I am hoping to bid farewell to NY for Texas in either November or December as well.
Have you decided where you're going to move to Carl?
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Texas is far better then anyplace in Kaliforniastan.
Shasta County is better than anyplace in Texas ...
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Texas is far better then anyplace in Kaliforniastan.
Shasta County is better than anyplace in Texas ...
Blasphemer! You WILL go to hell for that ..... you know that right?
KC
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Texas is far better then anyplace in Kaliforniastan.
Shasta County is better than anyplace in Texas ...
Blasphemer! You WILL go to hell for that ..... you know that right?
KC
I will insted go to Whiskeytown lake (15 mins. from my Country home) where the water is cold year round , or to the Trinity alps to hunt Bear (With Bear tag), or to Mt. Lassen or Mt. Shasta or fishing on the Upper Sac or McCloud River or hog huntin in my own backyard (Oak Run /Mtn. Home) ...
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To be frank, I will miss the weather. And the beach. And the mountains.
California has been gifted with the best climate and scenery anywhere. And Californians have squandered all the natural gifts and have turned it into a hell hole.
Texas has all that without the moonbattery.
I would beg to differ on the climate. Hawaii has the better climate. I have lived in both places and I would take Hawaii's climate over California's any day of the week.
KC
If you like constant humidity -- which some people do! -- great. I am used to dryer climates but I can adjust. God knows I have been over most of the USA in most weather conditions.
Dryer is better for older lungs.
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To be frank, I will miss the weather. And the beach. And the mountains.
California has been gifted with the best climate and scenery anywhere. And Californians have squandered all the natural gifts and have turned it into a hell hole.
Texas has all that without the moonbattery.
I would beg to differ on the climate. Hawaii has the better climate. I have lived in both places and I would take Hawaii's climate over California's any day of the week.
KC
If you like constant humidity -- which some people do! -- great. I am used to dryer climates but I can adjust. God knows I have been over most of the USA in most weather conditions.
Dryer is better for older lungs.
Well, being used to the 80, 90, 100% humidity here, I was very comfortable with the 40% humidity in Hawaii.
KC
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Any and all advice for residents will be appreciated.
Hmmmm. DO NOT move to Plainview. (West Texas and thus blessedly far from where you're aiming) This is the town I visit annually, if I can afford it, to see my beloved Aunt. If she ever moves away, I'm requesting that the Air Force use the town for bombing practice.
Ugliest. Place. On. Earth.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/phobucketforcu/plainview.jpg)
Congratulations! I wish I could move back to God's Country. (The eastern side :-) )
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Stay away from all them yankees!!! Come on down to South East Texas ...... I'll put you on a lake in a golf course community 1:15 from Intercontinental. Fishing is awesome and crime is non-existant.
KC
Hi5 Texacon :cheersmate:
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Stay away from all them yankees!!! Come on down to South East Texas ...... I'll put you on a lake in a golf course community 1:15 from Intercontinental. Fishing is awesome and crime is non-existant.
KC
Hi5 Texacon :cheersmate:
Muchas Gracias Mi Amigo! H5 backatchya!!
We can't let them get away with member theft like that unanswered. LOL
KC
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California Activist Proposes Wealth Tax and Probably Unconstitutional Exit Tax (http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23538.html)
Earlier this month, a California activist began gathering signatures to put a state wealth tax on the ballot. The measure would impose a new 35% income surtax (in addition to federal taxes and the existing 10.3% top state rate), and penalize people who leave the state by seizing 55% of assets exceeding $20 million. The money raised would be used to eliminate the state's budget deficit and for purchasing controlling shares in large corporations.
The 17.5% surtax is unusual because it would be on a taxpayer's total (not marginal) income whenever it exceeds $250,000, with another additional 17.5 percent tax on total income (for a total additional 35 percent tax) whenever it exceeds $500,000. In the case of single taxpayers or taxpayers filing as head of household, these additional taxes would be levied on incomes greater than $150,000 and $350,000 respectively.
Better hurry....
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