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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Miss Mia on August 17, 2008, 01:05:36 PM
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-17-08 12:52 PM
Original message (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3812453)
I am SO pissed...our local paper published a database on salaries and INCLUDED names ect...
I understand that those of us in public service lose some of our privacy
I understand that Freedom of information is necessary,
BUT I feel like I have been violated
both my husband and I have had our lives violated today.. I think the better way to have done this is to list positions and salaries NOT names. In this day of high crime, high unemployment and identity theft, this was in very poor taste.
(http://www.kansas.com/)
BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-17-08 12:54 PM
Response to Original message
1. I cannot believe that is legal! How did they get this info?
What if it is not accurate?
Get a lawyer..or call the ACLU
greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-17-08 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. it is accurate except for the fact we haven't voted on the new teaching contract
so our salaries will go even higher
Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-17-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. It's perfectly legal.
All tax-paid salaries are subject to the open-records law of most (I won't say all, that might not be true) states.
When I was a reporter, our newspaper did this, as well. I'm sorry the OP feels violated, but the fact remains that those who are paid by the citizens are accountable to the citizens who pay their salaries.
Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-17-08 12:56 PM
Response to Original message
3. It's called TRANSPARENCY.
Although I agree attaching names is a bit much.
greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-17-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. They should have just listed jobs and numbers NOT our names
I am a teacher
They could have just published the salary schedule ...it is transparent you can find it on the districts web site plain as day
but
our names and buildings??? BULLSHIT
Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-17-08 12:59 PM
Response to Original message
5. Newspapers are doing this all over the country
To please the 'conservatives' who want to rail against those 'high-priced' state employees sucking their wallets dry. They seem to forget that those very same state workers are those who (used to) subscribe to the paper and pay their bills.
Gannett and McClatchy are the two biggest offenders. If you want to read thousands of interesting comments, try looking at The Sacramento Bee, http://sacbee.com (http://sacbee.com), and The Olympian, http://theolympian.com (http://theolympian.com), where state workers are quite justifiably upset and appear to be cancelling the newspaper in large numbers. And the companies do this in capital cities, too.
The modus operandi is exactly the same in each city where this is happening. I am led to believe that this is not at all by accident.
Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-17-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Uh... no.
They are doing it because they can (it's part of a state's Sunshine Law) and because it does sell newspapers.
It has nothing to do with conservatives and everything to do with accountability.
My newspaper did this years ago when I was a working journalist and I'm certainly no conservative.
GreenInNC Donating Member (845 posts)
Sun Aug-17-08 01:07 PM
Response to Original message
8. perfectly legal
Our paper does it for all school and government employees and has an online, searchable data base of their web page.
I expect it to get more replies with Greenbriar's huffing and puffing over this INJUSTICE!
:wink:
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I work for the NYS government. Someone posted the salaries of every employee of the NYS government on some website whose name I can't remember. We, where I work, started looking up the senior management's names to see what they're making. I haven't seen where I am on that list, because some of my co-workers have mentioned that their names aren't on that list. Am I upset? Well, it is a public record. I'll get over it.
The greedy thorn primitive should do the same, because chances are that her salary is also a matter of public record.
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I work for the NYS government. Someone posted the salaries of every employee of the NYS government on some website whose name I can't remember. We, where I work, started looking up the senior management's names to see what they're making. I haven't seen where I am on that list, because some of my co-workers have mentioned that their names aren't on that list. Am I upset? Well, it is a public record. I'll get over it.
The greedy thorn primitive should do the same, because chances are that her salary is also a matter of public record.
She's a school teacher, her salary is public record. :)
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I seem to remember some time back when some newspapers printed the names and addresses of concealed carry permit holders, of course the DUmmies were all for it....hypocrisy thy name is DU.
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George W. Bush - President - United States of America - $400,000.00 annual salary (2001- ?)
www.LordUndies.com
Feel better, greenbuttho? He's a much better person than you and his salary is public info too.
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I seem to remember so time back when some newspapers printed the names and addresses of concealed carry permit holders, of course the DUmmies were all for it....hypocrisy thy name is DU.
Someone mentions that, though there's no reply to him yet
Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-17-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #5
19. How would you explain newspapers that publish CCW lists?
Many do, especially in small towns. I was city editor of one, and I made it quite clear to the editor that I was against the annual practice. Running stories about who's packing heat isn't exactly pleasing conservatives. It just unnecessarily violates privacy, IMO.
Newspapers do things like this because it makes them look like watchdogs, when they're really just dogs who dig up poorly hidden bones.
I've heard far too many editors and reporters fall back on "the public's right to know." That's all well and good, but there must also be a need for the public to know.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-17-08 01:17 PM
Response to Original message
15. So which are you, shocked or awed?
greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts)
20. Pissed
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 01:30 PM by greenbriar
but I learned I was in the top 12 in my building...
:whatever:
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Whatever they are paying her it is a waste.
Not for her politics but for her stupidity at not knowing the salary of every teacher employed by a school district was subject to a freedom of information act request.
That is how it is here in NY and evidently where she is too.
From this and other things she has posted it is clear that she is no intellectual so maybe she doesn`t want it known how much a usesless drag on a school budget she is.
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Now hold on a minute, didn't the greedy thorn primitive rant and rave about how little money she's making? I seem to recall several financial threads she either started or participated in claiming near poverty. Now she's pissed that everyone knows how much they are paying for her to take up space?
She should just STFU. This will be a moot point when that cabana boy from the cruise line sweeps her size 14 ass off her feet.
Check this out - http://www.kansas.com/800/story/495800.html
I followed the DUmmie link. You have to know the employee's first and last name to search for their salary. :whatever: You can just hit "search" and see the entire list but you'd have to pretty motivated I guess (there are over 4000 names). Most people would see that first screen and think, "oh, I need to know their name to find out...."
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Now hold on a minute, didn't the greedy thorn primitive rant and rave about how little money she's making? I seem to recall several financial threads she either started or participated in claiming near poverty. Now she's pissed that everyone knows how much they are paying for her to take up space?
She should just STFU. This will be a moot point when that cabana boy from the cruise line sweeps her size 14 ass off her feet.
Check this out - http://www.kansas.com/800/story/495800.html
I followed the DUmmie link. You have to know the employee's first and last name to search for their salary. :whatever: You can just hit "search" and see the entire list but you'd have to pretty motivated I guess (there are over 4000 names). Most people would see that first screen and think, "oh, I need to know their name to find out...."
Ahem...
greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-17-08 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. and there is the point!!! My name and exact building is now posted for all
it is all right here
www.wichitaeagle.com
Teacher
57,491.00 a year
IF that was all that was posted, I would not care...but My full legal name AND exact building is also there. That makes it scary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3812453&mesg_id=3812907 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3812453&mesg_id=3812907)
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greenbriar (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-17-08 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #17
30. put your money where your mouth is....Name, Place of work and Salary please
As I have said...
I have NO problem with the salary schedule being published
but to put my name and my building in the paper puts ME at risk
Gee...conceited much? :whatever: They aren't giving out your home address. Is is a state secret that you work for the school system?
And here post later on says a teacher makes 57k - I assume she's referring to herself. That's not a bad salary at all. I'm sure the cost of living in Kansas is much lower than say San Fransisco or D.C.
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Now hold on a minute, didn't the greedy thorn primitive rant and rave about how little money she's making? I seem to recall several financial threads she either started or participated in claiming near poverty. Now she's pissed that everyone knows how much they are paying for her to take up space?
She should just STFU. This will be a moot point when that cabana boy from the cruise line sweeps her size 14 ass off her feet.
Check this out - http://www.kansas.com/800/story/495800.html
I followed the DUmmie link. You have to know the employee's first and last name to search for their salary. :whatever: You can just hit "search" and see the entire list but you'd have to pretty motivated I guess (there are over 4000 names). Most people would see that first screen and think, "oh, I need to know their name to find out...."
Ahem...
greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Sun Aug-17-08 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. and there is the point!!! My name and exact building is now posted for all
it is all right here
www.wichitaeagle.com
Teacher
57,491.00 a year
IF that was all that was posted, I would not care...but My full legal name AND exact building is also there. That makes it scary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3812453&mesg_id=3812907 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3812453&mesg_id=3812907)
Yes, I saw that. Doesn't change what I said though.
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greenbriar (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-17-08 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #17
30. put your money where your mouth is....Name, Place of work and Salary please
As I have said...
I have NO problem with the salary schedule being published
but to put my name and my building in the paper puts ME at risk
At risk of what, exactly, you dizzy over-dramatic witch?
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greenbriar (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-17-08 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #17
30. put your money where your mouth is....Name, Place of work and Salary please
As I have said...
I have NO problem with the salary schedule being published
but to put my name and my building in the paper puts ME at risk
At risk of what, exactly, you dizzy over-dramatic witch?
At risk that she will be stalked by other teachers who makes less who will then steal her precious bodily fluids.
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Yes, I saw that. Doesn't change what I said though.
Doesn't change it one bit. I'll remember how much she makes next time she's bitching about how poor she is. :whatever:
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Making that much in Kansas no less!
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Making that much in Kansas no less!
And her husband works as well, so it's a two income family.
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She is closing in on $60,000 a year to spread LIBERAL BS and she is complaining? She needs to STFU.. :mental:
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She is closing in on $60,000 a year to spread LIBERAL BS and she is complaining? She needs to STFU.. :mental:
Hasn't she said she teaches math? Or more appropriately "teaches" math?
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She is closing in on $60,000 a year to spread LIBERAL BS and she is complaining? She needs to STFU.. :mental:
Hasn't she said she teaches math? Or more appropriately "teaches" math?
There's two Kansas school teachers on Skins's island, if not more.
The dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher, the "Proud2BLib" primitive, teaches mathematics (and possibly other subjects) to disadvantaged students near Kansas City, Kansas, up in the northeastern part of Kansas.
The greedy thorn primitive, the "greenbriar" primitive, teaches social studies to 8th graders in or near Wichita, Kansas, down at the south-central part of the state.
The dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher is 55 years old; this teacher is circa 40-45 years old, probably closer to 40.
The dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher has a grimacing, Hate-filled, angry, bitter countenance; this teacher is somewhat, uh, pudgy, but bears a rather neutral demeanor.
Of the two, the dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher is the worst of the lot.
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She is closing in on $60,000 a year to spread LIBERAL BS and she is complaining? She needs to STFU.. :mental:
Hasn't she said she teaches math? Or more appropriately "teaches" math?
There's two Kansas school teachers on Skins's island, if not more.
The dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher, the "Proud2BLib" primitive, teaches mathematics (and possibly other subjects) to disadvantaged students near Kansas City, Kansas, up in the northeastern part of Kansas.
The greedy thorn primitive, the "greenbriar" primitive, teaches social studies to 8th graders in or near Wichita, Kansas, down at the south-central part of the state.
The dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher is 55 years old; this teacher is circa 40-45 years old, probably closer to 40.
The dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher has a grimacing, Hate-filled, angry, bitter countenance; this teacher is somewhat, uh, pudgy, but bears a rather neutral demeanor.
Of the two, the dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher is the worst of the lot.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Thanks for the clarification.
I had a problem, some time in 2006, 2007, over at our old home--I think this had to do with the primitives talking about the shootings at Virginia Tech--after a few primitives frankly admitted that all black people look alike to them.
Suddenly all the primitives started looking alike to me.
I had to break out of it, though--academic interest--and began to differentiate between them with more sharpness than I had before (remember how I mixed up the mountain man primitive "ThomWVA" and the lilliputian tom thumb primitive "ThomCat"). It's difficult to do, keeping them separate, given the unanimity with which the primiitives think.
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Remember that school teaching is a part time job. At least here in NY, teachers are required to be at their jobs from 8:00 am to 3:00 pm (prefered that they get there 30 min early, and leave 30 min after last bell), with a 50 min. lunch and at least one 50 min study hall there are a total of 8 periods a day of 50 min. each. SO THE WORK DAY is about 6 hours long. In NY the school year is 183 days long. 183 days a year times 6 is 1098 hours per work year, and MANY (NOT all ) make damned sure that's ALL in the public record .
Compared to the private sector, they work up to 900 hours a year LESS !
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Remember that school teaching is a part time job. At least here in NY, teachers are required to be at their jobs from 8:00 am to 3:00 pm (prefered that they get there 30 min early, and leave 30 min after last bell), with a 50 min. lunch and at least one 50 min study hall there are a total of 8 periods a day of 50 min. each. SO THE WORK DAY is about 6 hours long. In NY the school year is 183 days long. 183 days a year times 6 is 1098 hours per work year, and MANY (NOT all ) make damned sure that's ALL in the public record .
Compared to the private sector, they work up to 900 hours a year LESS !
To be fair, most teachers do a lot of extra work, planning, grading, etc. They also spend some of the summer getting educational credits. However, they do NOT work the hours a normal employee works.
That said, Mr Smith teaches at a college...and his base salary is a good bit less than the OP. He does work a lot of extra hours to earn more. (It ends up not being real helpful, though, as his ex just took most of it to pay their kid's college bill.)
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greenbriar (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-17-08 03:16 PMResponse to Reply #17 30. put your money where your mouth is....Name, Place of work and Salary please As I have said...I have NO problem with the salary schedule being publishedbut to put my name and my building in the paper puts ME at risk
Gee...conceited much? :whatever: They aren't giving out your home address. Is is a state secret that you work for the school system? And here post later on says a teacher makes 57k - I assume she's referring to herself. That's not a bad salary at all. I'm sure the cost of living in Kansas is much lower than say San Fransisco or D.C.
She's a COVERT teacher! The ROOOOOVE leaked this to silense her!!!111oneone!!!
/moonbat mode :-)
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts)
20. Pissed
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 01:30 PM by greenbriar
but I learned I was in the top 12 in my building...
But her husband throws it all away on cheap booze and floozy's. :cheersmate:
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but I learned I was in the top 12 in my building...
It must be that new reverse-merit system.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the very essence of teh socialism these cretins propose to have all salaries surveyed and set according to the whims of a democratic majority?
They want CEO's, sports figures, etc to have their salaries publicly scrutinized but they squeal like cats in gearworks when they are offerede the opportunity to live under their own rules.
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Making that much in Kansas no less!
Yes that's some pretty nice scratch for Kansas!
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the very essence of teh socialism these cretins propose to have all salaries surveyed and set according to the whims of a democratic majority?
They want CEO's, sports figures, etc to have their salaries publicly scrutinized but they squeal like cats in gearworks when they are offerede the opportunity to live under their own rules.
My husband, who is at VP level has not only is his salary publicly available but his stock options and bonus as well. It's just one short google search away. I noticed it was available online when his company was bought by a very large toy company.
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Amazing how the DUmmies are all for transparency in EVERYTHING...except when it involves them. :whatever:
greenbriar is just pissed because she doesn't want everyone knowing that she is not giving the taxpayers a return on their investment.
I'd be willing to be that she's not giving the kind of education to the kids in the town where she works that's equal to what she's making on her paycheck.
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I wouldn't be surprised is this isn't just faux-outrage on the greedy thorn primitive's part. She's posted in the past about getting jewelry, cruises, etc...bragging?
I mean really, she's the one who started this OP. Unless another primitive took it upon himself to point it out, this would have went unnoticed.
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Mrs. Smith, as you say, quite true. However there are many, many who do the absolute minimum. In my day, we would "exchange" exams and score them, pass them forward to the teacher. A few has us score tests in their study hall. One English teacher did not change her ciriculum over THREE GENERATIONS of STUDENTS! And she wasn't the worst, only the most anoying. She tought Shakespear without also giving us the meanings and useage of words AT THE TIME they were written, how people viewed things like ghosts/spirits and the like so much of it made no sense whatever.
At the same time, in the same school, there are dedicated EDUCATORS out there who damned near put in an hour at home and on weekends for each hour they spend in a classroom. Who make it easy to learn by making the clasroom experience a positive one. Unfortunately, they are the minority. The contracts that the districts have with the "union" make it near impossible to replace the bad and lazy once tenure is aquired.
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greenbriar (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-17-08 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #17
30. put your money where your mouth is....Name, Place of work and Salary please
As I have said...
I have NO problem with the salary schedule being published
but to put my name and my building in the paper puts ME at risk
At risk of what, exactly, you dizzy over-dramatic witch?
i just read that whole thread.. what a riot! the other DUers keep asking her why she's so upset, she never really says.
but she is DAMN SURE gonna change her phone number!!
woop'de'doo.. i hope she just keeps raving long enough that it makes it easier to figure out who she is, so someone can send her posts to her school and they can toss her out for being such an idiot.
i mean, really. did she not know she was a public employee all these years?? :whatever:
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Remember that school teaching is a part time job. At least here in NY, teachers are required to be at their jobs from 8:00 am to 3:00 pm (prefered that they get there 30 min early, and leave 30 min after last bell), with a 50 min. lunch and at least one 50 min study hall there are a total of 8 periods a day of 50 min. each. SO THE WORK DAY is about 6 hours long. In NY the school year is 183 days long. 183 days a year times 6 is 1098 hours per work year, and MANY (NOT all ) make damned sure that's ALL in the public record .
Compared to the private sector, they work up to 900 hours a year LESS !
and they basically cannot be fired and they get benefits that are guaranteed by law.
we have a strike about to happen here, and i swear to God, if I hear one more teacher on tv saying, "its for the kids" I will smack somebody.. :thatsright:
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Amazing how the DUmmies are all for transparency in EVERYTHING...except when it involves them. :whatever:
greenbriar is just pissed because she doesn't want everyone knowing that she is not giving the taxpayers a return on their investment.
I'd be willing to be that she's not giving the kind of education to the kids in the town where she works that's equal to what she's making on her paycheck.
and the irony of it all is, SHE is putting all the info out there. the newspaper, her building, her salary..
she's so afraid of what might happen to her .. but she is directly responsible for all the retards on DU knowing the info. :whatever:
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I seem to remember some time back when some newspapers printed the names and addresses of concealed carry permit holders, of course the DUmmies were all for it....hypocrisy thy name is DU.
Some papers did that here in Ohio, the moonbat liberals were all for it.
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I seem to remember some time back when some newspapers printed the names and addresses of concealed carry permit holders, of course the DUmmies were all for it....hypocrisy thy name is DU.
Some papers did that here in Ohio, the moonbat liberals were all for it.
Our paper did that as well. The GOP managed to get it yanked in less than 24 hours.
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Amazing how the DUmmies are all for transparency in EVERYTHING...except when it involves them. :whatever:
greenbriar is just pissed because she doesn't want everyone knowing that she is not giving the taxpayers a return on their investment.
I'd be willing to be that she's not giving the kind of education to the kids in the town where she works that's equal to what she's making on her paycheck.
and the irony of it all is, SHE is putting all the info out there. the newspaper, her building, her salary..
she's so afraid of what might happen to her .. but she is directly responsible for all the retards on DU knowing the info. :whatever:
She thinks 57K is a lot and is back-hand bragging.
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She should be so lucky. Our local papers publish the salaries (with OT) of EVERY public employee in EVERY town, EVERY year.
I'd love to know how the **** I could make $110K like some of our firefighters in this town.
Oh, and the HS guidance counselor just got nailed in New Durham, NH for trying to break into an 84-year old woman's apartment.
LINK TO THE INCREDIBLE (http://fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080818/GJNEWS_01/429832920)
I guess those who can't do OR can't teach, just become felons....
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Amazing how the DUmmies are all for transparency in EVERYTHING...except when it involves them. :whatever:
greenbriar is just pissed because she doesn't want everyone knowing that she is not giving the taxpayers a return on their investment.
I'd be willing to be that she's not giving the kind of education to the kids in the town where she works that's equal to what she's making on her paycheck.
and the irony of it all is, SHE is putting all the info out there. the newspaper, her building, her salary..
she's so afraid of what might happen to her .. but she is directly responsible for all the retards on DU knowing the info. :whatever:
She thinks 57K is a lot and is back-hand bragging.
I do think she is backhanded bragging and in many states, free, 57K IS a respectable income. A family in a number of areas can survive on that one income with a good budget and do it in a good neighborhood. In her neck of the woods, that kind of income is better then respectable.
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I agree--even in an area where the cost of an average home (like here) is over 200K, 60K a year is not bad at all.
Add her husband's income, she's not doing badly at all--better even than me, in fact.
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Amazing how the DUmmies are all for transparency in EVERYTHING...except when it involves them. :whatever:
greenbriar is just pissed because she doesn't want everyone knowing that she is not giving the taxpayers a return on their investment.
I'd be willing to be that she's not giving the kind of education to the kids in the town where she works that's equal to what she's making on her paycheck.
and the irony of it all is, SHE is putting all the info out there. the newspaper, her building, her salary..
she's so afraid of what might happen to her .. but she is directly responsible for all the retards on DU knowing the info. :whatever:
She thinks 57K is a lot and is back-hand bragging.
I do think she is backhanded bragging and in many states, free, 57K IS a respectable income. A family in a number of areas can survive on that one income with a good budget and do it in a good neighborhood. In her neck of the woods, that kind of income is better then respectable.
Especially once you add her hubby's income into the mix.
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Amazing how the DUmmies are all for transparency in EVERYTHING...except when it involves them. :whatever:
greenbriar is just pissed because she doesn't want everyone knowing that she is not giving the taxpayers a return on their investment.
I'd be willing to be that she's not giving the kind of education to the kids in the town where she works that's equal to what she's making on her paycheck.
and the irony of it all is, SHE is putting all the info out there. the newspaper, her building, her salary..
she's so afraid of what might happen to her .. but she is directly responsible for all the retards on DU knowing the info. :whatever:
She thinks 57K is a lot and is back-hand bragging.
I do think she is backhanded bragging and in many states, free, 57K IS a respectable income. A family in a number of areas can survive on that one income with a good budget and do it in a good neighborhood. In her neck of the woods, that kind of income is better then respectable.
True -- everything is relative. In California (which I am about to leave, which you will hear from me over and over for the next few months), $57K is just above the poverty level.
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Amazing how the DUmmies are all for transparency in EVERYTHING...except when it involves them. :whatever:
greenbriar is just pissed because she doesn't want everyone knowing that she is not giving the taxpayers a return on their investment.
I'd be willing to be that she's not giving the kind of education to the kids in the town where she works that's equal to what she's making on her paycheck.
and the irony of it all is, SHE is putting all the info out there. the newspaper, her building, her salary..
she's so afraid of what might happen to her .. but she is directly responsible for all the retards on DU knowing the info. :whatever:
She thinks 57K is a lot and is back-hand bragging.
I do think she is backhanded bragging and in many states, free, 57K IS a respectable income. A family in a number of areas can survive on that one income with a good budget and do it in a good neighborhood. In her neck of the woods, that kind of income is better then respectable.
Especially once you add her hubby's income into the mix.
Even without it, she could live pretty comfortably in Kansas. Maybe not a couple cruises and pieces of jewelry a year comfortably, but not hurting for even creature comforts and a new set of wheels for certain.
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Amazing how the DUmmies are all for transparency in EVERYTHING...except when it involves them. :whatever:
greenbriar is just pissed because she doesn't want everyone knowing that she is not giving the taxpayers a return on their investment.
I'd be willing to be that she's not giving the kind of education to the kids in the town where she works that's equal to what she's making on her paycheck.
and the irony of it all is, SHE is putting all the info out there. the newspaper, her building, her salary..
she's so afraid of what might happen to her .. but she is directly responsible for all the retards on DU knowing the info. :whatever:
She thinks 57K is a lot and is back-hand bragging.
I do think she is backhanded bragging and in many states, free, 57K IS a respectable income. A family in a number of areas can survive on that one income with a good budget and do it in a good neighborhood. In her neck of the woods, that kind of income is better then respectable.
True -- everything is relative. In California (which I am about to leave, which you will hear from me over and over for the next few months), $57K is just above the poverty level.
Yeah, trust me when I say, it's a livable income in a lot of other places. Here in central OH you can get in a good solid neighborhood and with a good budget live a no frills, decent life on that. Add another 10k and you'll have a couple of newer vehicles, a vacation, and a few other extras without it squeezing you. I think expectations of what a good life is matters too. I've lived in a few areas of the country and what constitutes basic living in one is considered a luxury in others--that probably has a lot to do with it too. It becomes a quality of life issue and part of the cost of living in an area that is expected. I hope all that made sense. I'm mid paper writing right now..lol
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Amazing how the DUmmies are all for transparency in EVERYTHING...except when it involves them. :whatever:
greenbriar is just pissed because she doesn't want everyone knowing that she is not giving the taxpayers a return on their investment.
I'd be willing to be that she's not giving the kind of education to the kids in the town where she works that's equal to what she's making on her paycheck.
and the irony of it all is, SHE is putting all the info out there. the newspaper, her building, her salary..
she's so afraid of what might happen to her .. but she is directly responsible for all the retards on DU knowing the info. :whatever:
She thinks 57K is a lot and is back-hand bragging.
I do think she is backhanded bragging and in many states, free, 57K IS a respectable income. A family in a number of areas can survive on that one income with a good budget and do it in a good neighborhood. In her neck of the woods, that kind of income is better then respectable.
True -- everything is relative. In California (which I am about to leave, which you will hear from me over and over for the next few months), $57K is just above the poverty level.
Yeah, trust me when I say, it's a livable income in a lot of other places. Here in central OH you can get in a good solid neighborhood and with a good budget live a no frills, decent life on that. Add another 10k and you'll have a couple of newer vehicles, a vacation, and a few other extras without it squeezing you. I think expectations of what a good life is matters too. I've lived in a few areas of the country and what constitutes basic living in one is considered a luxury in others--that probably has a lot to do with it too. It becomes a quality of life issue and part of the cost of living in an area that is expected. I hope all that made sense. I'm mid paper writing right now..lol
Central Ohio?
Me too.
Small world eh?
:cheersmate:
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Yep. That's a very decent living in a lot of places.
Check this out from one of those cost of living calculators -
Salary in Wichita KS:
$57,000
Comparable salary in Washington-Arlington-Alexandria DC-VA:
$87,620.99
If you move from Wichita KS to Washington-Arlington-Alexandria DC-VA...
Groceries will cost: 19.79% more
Housing will cost: 194.189% more
Utilities will cost: 7.447% more
Transportation will cost: 6.638% more
Healthcare will cost: 15.871% more
Salary in Wichita KS:
$57,000
Comparable salary in San Francisco CA:
$110,266.04
If you move from Wichita KS to San Francisco CA...
Groceries will cost: 46.553% more
Housing will cost: 294.607% more
Utilities will cost: 1.269% more
Transportation will cost: 15.29% more
Healthcare will cost: 26.63% more